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Reply #75 –
Quote from: krake on
So it doesn't come as a surprise if the USA is perceived as the biggest threat to world piece.
"Piece" was a typo, wasn't it? :) (Probably not: Most former imperialists think that America's influence keeps them from getting their piece, the influence and riches they "earned" by conquering and exploiting primitive peoples the world over. Not to say that we didn't do it to… :) But we let them run casinos!)

Your source, Krake, is easily seen to be a case of early-onset senility…

Would you be happy, to see the U.S. retire from the "international" stage? (Work out the impact on your economy…)
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Given the real motives and documented objectives of American foreign policy, it is exceedingly clear that Russia’s true crime is her all-too-real ability to defend herself in the world stage. How can American leaders accuse Russia of shameless nuclear intimidation when they openly advocate for the exclusive right of preemptive nuclear war–even against nations without nuclear weapons?
(Krake's source)
These are the ravings of a man who'd long ago lost his senses… And, yet, you take them for gospel… Damn you and your ilk!
My country should reasonably reject any and all calls for help, if you are a representative of yours.
But you're not, are you? You're just another crank… You should pray that you don't get what you think you want! :(

We can survive pretty much anything others can do. You are not so fortunate…
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Reply #76 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
We can survive pretty much anything others can do. You are not so fortunate…

You survive nothing, not even a couple (plus the third one right on the Pentagon) of your own airplanes. Stop trolling Oakdale, it's not proper of you.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #77 –
Ooh! Did someone's feelings get hurt? She must be terribly, terribly… Oh so terribly humiliated! Else why make such an outrageous claim?
Bel, the U.S. will even survive the "reign" of Obama… :)

I'm not "trolling," Belfrager: I'm just not allowing ignorant un-experienced and generally stupid people to set limits upon what I can discuss!

I don't know what can be done about Europe. What's more disquieting is, few (…none, as far as I can tell) in Europe do, either. (Russia -and the emigrant population that is on the way to supplanting western Europeans- pose actual strategic problems that no continental intellectual cares about. (The one or two who would even talk about such are harassed by "hate speech" laws…)

Do you have any type of plan for assimilating Muslim populations into European countries? (I don't have one for my country, either… Those who'd become Americans would, I'd insist, want to become American! Does that strike you as particularly odd? :)
The "other" reasons they might want to be here are not too difficult to imagine, in today's world…)
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Reply #78 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

Would you be happy, to see the U.S. retire from the "international" stage? (Work out the impact on your economy…)

If by retiring from the "international" stage you mean to stop meddling in any corner of the world, then yes.
As for our economy, the industrial espionage your brave people are doing here, it must be a really blessing.
As a side note - while making pessures on your European vassals to stop trade relations with Russia, US trade volume with Russia has encreased by 15% lately.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

Your source, Krake, is easily seen to be a case of early-onset senility…

So, so. Wonder who the senile is. :)
What about the new US war doctrine? Do you like it? Isn't it great? You can be sure that the world took notice of it except you can't never be sure how each one will react...

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

My country should reasonably reject any and all calls for help, if you are a representative of yours.

Are you kidding me? Asking for help? Wonder if your words are the result of blatant ignorance or just the usual hypocrisy.
Are you supposing that US nukes stationed here are for protecting Germany or Europe?
It doesn't need a genius to realise what are they stationed here for. It shouldn't be even for someone like you.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
I don't know what can be done about Europe.

Simply, pour more gasoline into the fire. It worked for Iraq, Libya and Syria. Why shouldn't it work for the Ukraine?
After all, Europe must also have its part of fun.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

(Russia -and the emigrant population that is on the way to supplanting western Europeans- pose actual strategic problems that no continental intellectual cares about.

That's what we have you for. An intelectual from over the pond who can solve any problem, at least as long as it isn't his own one. :)

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

Do you have any type of plan for assimilating Muslim populations into European countries?

After setting up the fire in the Middle East you are asking an European for a plan to assimilate Muslim populations?
You must have a very odd sense of humor.

BTW, you did "assimilate" the Indians before. Would that work for Muslims too?

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Reply #79 –
Quote from: Belfrager on

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
We can survive pretty much anything others can do. You are not so fortunate…

You survive nothing, not even a couple (plus the third one right on the Pentagon) of your own airplanes. Stop trolling Oakdale, it's not proper of you.
Absolutely agree.
The whole American culture has changed. The Patriot Act, neighborhoods in NYC off limit to vehicle traffic and some streets even blocked to pedestrian traffic, constant security checks in major office buildings, the TSA security theatre, etc.

Compare that to England, a quote I found
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In 1940-1941 Britain was bombed constantly by the Germans. During one two-month period at the end of 1940 London was bombed every single night -- like having 9/11 every night, in the dark, for two months. They coped. They also grieved and remembered lost loved ones. But they didn't whine and complain about memorials and other grief expression spots for the rest of their lives.
We have more 9/11 memorials in the U.S. and grief expression spots than the actual number of victims.

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Reply #80 –
DnD Sanctuary: An international discussion forum for debating everything under the sun and for making nasty derogatory statements to posters we disagree with.

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Reply #81 –
Quote from: Jimbro3738 on

DnD Sanctuary: An international discussion forum for debating everything under the sun and for making nasty derogatory statements to posters we disagree with.


Well---somebody's gotta do it....
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #82 –
I never thought about it that way. Makes me smile!

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Reply #83 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
Ooh! Did someone's feelings get hurt? She must be terribly, terribly… Oh so terribly humiliated! Else why make such an outrageous claim?
Bel, the U.S. will even survive the "reign" of Obama…  :)

I'm not "trolling," Belfrager: I'm just not allowing ignorant un-experienced and generally stupid people to set limits upon what I can discuss!

I don't know what can be done about Europe. What's more disquieting is, few (…none, as far as I can tell) in Europe do, either. (Russia -and the emigrant population that is on the way to supplanting western Europeans- pose actual strategic problems that no continental intellectual cares about. (The one or two who would even talk about such are harassed by "hate speech" laws…)

Do you have any type of plan for assimilating Muslim populations into European countries? (I don't have one for my country, either… Those who'd become Americans would, I'd insist, want to become American! Does that strike you as particularly odd?  :)
The "other" reasons they might want to be here are not too difficult to imagine, in today's world…)

What made you think that I'm done with your extermination of civilian populations by using atomics bombs on men, women, children and old people?

Don't you worry with Europe, Russia or how Europe has a plan to "assimilate Muslim populations" (do I need to remember you how racist, how so much against religious freedom and how so proper of the lowest social classes your words are?).
Worry with yourselves.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #84 –
Quote from: Jochie on
The whole American culture has changed.

You are very right. That's Oakdale's problem, he certainly loves his country but his country, as he knew it, doesn't exist anymore.
I understand such feeling, many of us are orphans of a world that has disappeared. Gone forever.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #85 –
Bel, I have a question. When--- since the end of WW2-- did the US use nuclear weapons against civilian populations?

I exclude WW2 because of course everybody has a handle of some sort about that. This question is about since then--- since you seem to want to crucify the US over continued use of these weapons against civilian populations.
What would happen if a large asteroid slammed into the Earth?
According to several tests involving a watermelon and a large hammer, it would be really bad!

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Reply #86 –
Quote from: Belfrager on

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
Ooh! Did someone's feelings get hurt? She must be terribly, terribly… Oh so terribly humiliated! Else why make such an outrageous claim?
Bel, the U.S. will even survive the "reign" of Obama…  :)

I'm not "trolling," Belfrager: I'm just not allowing ignorant un-experienced and generally stupid people to set limits upon what I can discuss!

I don't know what can be done about Europe. What's more disquieting is, few (…none, as far as I can tell) in Europe do, either. (Russia -and the emigrant population that is on the way to supplanting western Europeans- pose actual strategic problems that no continental intellectual cares about. (The one or two who would even talk about such are harassed by "hate speech" laws…)

Do you have any type of plan for assimilating Muslim populations into European countries? (I don't have one for my country, either… Those who'd become Americans would, I'd insist, want to become American! Does that strike you as particularly odd?  :)
The "other" reasons they might want to be here are not too difficult to imagine, in today's world…)

What made you think that I'm done with your extermination of civilian populations by using atomics bombs on men, women, children and old people?

Don't you worry with Europe, Russia or how Europe has a plan to "assimilate Muslim populations" (do I need to remember you how racist, how so much against religious freedom and how so proper of the lowest social classes your words are?).
Worry with yourselves.

Erm, Belfrager, you do remember that you dropped the "n" bomb not a week ago.....right?

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Reply #87 –
The "N" bomb?
If he said "nigger" I didn't give it much weight. I was one of very few in my neighborhood who never used the term in casual or emotional speech. (I was lucky enough to hear Lenny Bruce's rant, before I reached my teens… He may have been a sick f**k, but he had some understanding of how people get along that he expressed in an unforgettable way.) The primary meaning is derogatory, an insult meant to evoke rage or allow the acquiescence -timidity!- in a class system based upon skin color.
There's no way I could have used that word.

But many of my friends did. I just chose not to…
Quote from: Belfrager on
he certainly loves his country but his country, as he knew it, doesn't exist anymore.
I understand such feeling, many of us are orphans of a world that has disappeared. Gone forever.
I am -despite my age- not so pessimistic. Your history perhaps makes you so. But mine does not.
@Belfrager: Please use a dictionary, to find the meaning of "extermination"… We killed upwards of 300,000 Japanese with our two A-bombs. (That should satisfy your caveats about radiation poisoning, etc., eh? :) ) Had either the U.S. or the U.S.S.R. had to invade the home islands, how many people would have died?
(You too can try to answer that question, ersi.)

We did the best we could, with what we had, based upon what we knew then. But some of you think we should have been omniscient… Very well:
You take over!
If you screw the pooch, don't ask us to return to the fray.

If you attack us, we will retaliate…
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Reply #88 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

@Belfrager: Please use a dictionary, to find the meaning of "extermination"… We killed upwards of 300,000 Japanese with our two A-bombs. (That should satisfy your caveats about radiation poisoning, etc., eh? :) ) Had either the U.S. or the U.S.S.R. had to invade the home islands, how many people would have died?
(You too can try to answer that question, ersi.)

As long as you are basically saying "We could have killed them all, but we didn't. Therefore we are saintly good!", you are just not making sense from the moral point of view. Nothing to answer, because you are not asking anything sensible.

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Reply #89 –
Apparently, the only "moral" actors when wars occur are the monks who self-immolate… Way to go, team!
But I suspect you'd also applaud any country that loses… (You seem to be that kind of guy.)
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Reply #90 –
Quote from: ersi on
As long as you are basically saying "We could have killed them all, but we didn't. Therefore we are saintly good!", you are just not making sense from the moral point of view. Nothing to answer, because you are not asking anything sensible.
Please delete the "saintly" and replace it with "as much as we could be"…
Your fantasy world has never been where nations, especially nations at war, inhabit.

The "moral point of view" is -as you posit it- stupid. It calls for nothing less than suicide… Is that what you'd promote? (Gandhi suggested that, to the Jews too. BTW: What happened to him? And you'll note that the two countries he helped to create are both nuclear powers… Very pacifistic!)
Rather than lotus eaters you'd like us to be lemmings!? Dream on!
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Reply #91 –
as we know ...
NAZI , Japan and italy was  ally at that time .

NAzi want to  rule the Europe , while  Japan want to rule asia , and south east asia .

japanese army is not a joke, their cruelty is inhuman  .
of course that was also their tactic to planting  fear , to gain respect from the people in their teritories .


The U.S Nuked japan is something bad  for the Japanese , for sure ..
but something good for another country .
especially Japan's  colony  in asia and south east asia .


since .. because of that event, some of them have a chance to Declare their freedom .

on the other hand, not every people nor not every nation are expansionists .
but it does not mean , there are no nations that  not obsessed with Expansionism .

AKA , World Domination .


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Reply #92 –
And the USA can get the credit for the monks who set themselves alight in S. Vietnam. In the early days of that mess war a Buddist country was run by an RC dictatorshp supported by the land of the free and home of the brave.
"Quit you like men:be strong"

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Reply #93 –
i unsure what is the U.S motives with  overdo the U.N jobs .
for credit , make a portfolio , or perhaps another ?


but it seems, the U.S should aware .
because With Great credit , comes tons of enemies  .

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Reply #94 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

Please delete the "saintly" and replace it with "as much as we could be"…

As already demonstrated, U.S. didn't even try to be moral. My point was that the adjective "good" is inapplicable here, whatever qualifications we might try to invent. I am not even saying U.S. was not good enough. From the moral point of view, U.S. was evil, and you have provided precisely zero counterargument to this, not even a bit of fact.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

Your fantasy world has never been where nations, especially nations at war, inhabit.

At this point you are here alone facing everybody else's differing opinion. This should indicate who lives in fantasies.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on

The "moral point of view" is -as you posit it- stupid.

Well, this is what I have been saying all along. You disagree with the moral point of view and you replace it with your own immoral point of view and call it (morally) better. Sheer fantasy.

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Reply #95 –
Ersi , at least if want to insult someone , do it like a Sir .
otherwise, perhaps in urban-maxim it used to be expressed as " literally too stupid to insult "


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As already demonstrated, U.S. didn't even try to be moral


this was hasty generalization fallacy .


please take a note ,  i do not have any tendency to the U.S .

but , it is just scientifically annoying ,  when every thread goes bad like Jimbro's prophecy  .

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Reply #96 –
Quote from: ersi on
From the moral point of view, U.S. was evil

What in the world does that mean? A nation, any nation, can be evil? Pick the most egregiously bad national behavior, eg. Nazi Germany, and tell us that Germany was evil. There was opposition to Hitler within the German army.

Was the Stalinist regime evil? Of course it was. Was there opposition to the regime within Russia? Of course there was, even within the military.

It's easy to single out a nation for ridicule, but it's absurd. How about your country?

Greece, perhaps? We could have fun with Greece. I've often wondered why people post here without indicating their national identity.

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Jimbro3738 on

Quote from: ersi on
From the moral point of view, U.S. was evil

What in the world does that mean? A nation, any nation, can be evil? Pick the most egregiously bad national behavior, eg. Nazi Germany, and tell us that Germany was evil.

Oh. You are not Oakdale, so I must assume there's some integrity, perhaps pedagogical astuteness speaking.

As it's recommended these days, one must not say that the kid is bad. It's some of his deeds that are bad. (I am yet to be convinced the difference is all that big, but okay for now.)

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on

Was the Stalin regime evil? Of course it was.

Indeed. When evidence points that way, nothing to argue really.
 

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Reply #99 –
Quote from: Colonel Rebel on
Erm, Belfrager, you do remember that you dropped the "n" bomb not a week ago.....right?

My good friend, you can call me racist a thousand times consecutively every day and that will only make me laugh. I'm not subject to American hypocrisy and your "political correctness". Nor I have or will ever had a black "president".
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
If you attack us, we will retaliate…

Keep on dreaming...

Said that, I must say that this a very nice thread, a "fracture" thread. Finally.
Unfortunately, opposition it's not at the same level to make it flourish.
A matter of attitude.