Poll
Question:
What's going on there?
Option 1: Boris Johnson's going on.
votes: 2
Option 2: Cameron's going on.
votes: 0
Option 3: The Labourists are going on.
votes: 2
Option 4: Riots are going on.
votes: 2
Option 5: It's raining again. And again.. and again...
votes: 5
Well, let's start...
Just heard (BBC Surrey), tomorrow's gonna start a strike of London tube workers or something, and the commuters are gonna have to figure out about their way home that night...
Weather's going on, naturally...
In Scotland, some major myOperative also must be going on... I wish DnD went on there, somehow...
I went to Scotland for a few days a couple of years ago. Does that count?
No, you are not going on there now, are you?
I went to Scotland for a few days a couple of years ago.
You didn't say hello. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/sadsmiley.gif) (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/scotland.gif)
I went to Scotland for a few days a couple of years ago.You didn't say hello.
You didn't say hello.
He was afraid he might run into rjhowie.
You didn't say hello.
Maybe I did, and you didn't recognize me. :P
The way @Josh worded the title of this thread, I can't help but be reminded of this song. :trollface:
[ftp=ftp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ[/ftp]
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ[/video](test)
Speaking of Scots, the saucepn hasn't been around?
[video]www.youtube.com/watch?v=rB5Nbp_gmgQ[/video](test)
As someone still getting used to this forum, pray tell how you posted a YT video like that, please sir.
@Jax: He has quite a bit going on these days, from what i hear.
As someone still getting used to this forum, pray tell how you posted a YT video like that, please sir.
You should be able to see it in the quote. ;)
Anyhoo, you just stick [video] around a YouTube link.
Still raining. I don't know about Luxorshire, but SouthEast England is experiencing some Scheiße.
Wales has got a hurricane off its shores.
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You should be able to see it in the quote.
Anyhoo, you just stick [video] around a YouTube link.
I don't understand...there isn't a video option. Img, yes, but video, no.
I don't understand...there isn't a video option. Img, yes, but video, no
You've got to do it manually.
You've got to do it manually.
I just did it twice and nothing...
Did you use the closing tag?
[video]someurlsomewhere[/video ](ignore the space at the end of that closing tag, it's the only way I could display it.
Hey, guys, you'd better...
Did you use the closing tag?
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkdrkf3PnmA][/video]
Damnation, sir...it works! Many thanks.
Damnation, sir...it works! Many thanks.
Glad to help. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/ThumbGood.gif)
(ignore the space at the end of that closing tag, it's the only way I could display it.
The way to be able to display any sequence of stuff is to stick code tags around it. Like this:
[video]http://youtube.com/watch?stuff[/video]
The way to be able to display any sequence of stuff is to stick code tags around it. Like this:
[video]http://youtube.com/watch?stuff[/video]
Ah ha! I knew there was a way to do it. Thanks.
https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=6.0
Re: What's going on in the UK and Crown Dependencies
Reply #22 on: 2014-02-13, 08:54:43 (1392278083)
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https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=6.0
And the purpose of that post was............
How about getting this thread back on track before somebody has a major cow?
I have it on good authority from several reputable and a couple of questionable sources that the UK is having a series of storms blow through that are threatening to flood the place and blow whatever is left from the flooding into the North Sea. Not sure about Scotland, but for sure anything South of the English/Scots border is getting hammered by these storms.
You can watch a video here (http://www.zie.nl/video/algemeen/Groot-Brittannie-maakt-zich-op-voor-nieuwe-storm/m1mzgn3f959f) (and countless other places).
/Inb4 Mr. Howie arrives and has a stroke that OP didn't name his thread "What's going on in the UK and the Empire?"
One thing I heard on the radio the other day gave me pause for some thought. One of the issues on the table over there is Scottish Independence. For a number of reasons-- not least of which is that most voting Scotsmen seem to be against it-- the issue looks to die stillborn and Scotland will continue to be part of the United Kingdom.
One issue now on the table concerns money. The British powers-that-be have come out saying that if Scotland becomes independent, they will have to find something other than the Pound to use as money. That's what got me to thinking.
How in God's Name can you claim independence if you still depend on your former "partner" to see to it that you have money to spend? Isn't that a little like moving out of your parent's house, but still depending on them to pay your rent, your car payment, your utility bills and so on? As long as you're dependent on Mommy and Daddy paying your bills, you're making too much noise if you say you're independent in any way, shape or form.
Like it or not, I'd have to side at least in part with the government guy on this one. If you're going to vote for independence, have a plan to go at it whole hog. Don't depend on the Crown for anything. Figure out your money, your defense (hey, it costs something to even maintain a token coastal defense) and all the other things a proper government needs, or we'll be reading of Scotland joining the PIIGS before the sun goes down.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/uk-to-scotland-walk-away-lose-the-pound/2014/02/13/f9406a4e-94cf-11e3-9e13-770265cf4962_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/uk-to-scotland-walk-away-lose-the-pound/2014/02/13/f9406a4e-94cf-11e3-9e13-770265cf4962_story.html)
The British powers-that-be have come out saying that if Scotland becomes independent, they will have to find something other than the Pound to use as money.
Project fear is in full swing.
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Figure out your money, your defense (hey, it costs something to even maintain a token coastal defense) and all the other things a proper government needs
All of those things and more we will be taking responsibility for. It's what being independent means.
If you don't mind my asking, @Luxor, regarding Independence: yes or no?
Definite yes.
Definite yes.
Thanks for the answer.
Any particular reason why, specifically?
Any particular reason why, specifically?
The main reason is that the best people to run Scotland are the Scottish people. I want to live in a country that makes it's own decisions relevant to the people who live here, Scotland has the potential to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world but it never will be if we stay in the union.
There's a million and one other reasons, (some very personal) I could give but I would be here all night.
Contrary to what some people would have you believe it's not an anti-English thing by us rebellious Scots. My lovely English born-and-bred wife said she was voting for independence as soon as the referendum was announced. That was before I even thought of asking her about her views on it.
Any particular reason why, specifically?
The main reason is that the best people to run Scotland are the Scottish people. I want to live in a country that makes it's own decisions relevant to the people who live here, Scotland has the potential to be one of the wealthiest countries in the world but it never will be if we stay in the union.
There's a million and one other reasons, (some very personal) I could give but I would be here all night.
Contrary to what some people would have you believe it's not an anti-English thing by us rebellious Scots. My lovely English born-and-bred wife said she was voting for independence as soon as the referendum was announced. That was before I even thought of asking her about her views on it.
Once again, thank you for the very honest answer.
Been speaking to my Scottish and English friends about it, and the Scots are divided 50/50 and the English are about 3/4 in favor of you all staying in the Union.
Definite yes.
The outcome will be definite no. But you can already think you are independent. You only outsourced your monetary system, defence and government services to London, because it's cheaper this way. You are milking them good.
Power cuts in Southern England. Two casualties (of the storm(s)).
The outcome will be definite no.
Maybe, maybe not.
I know a heck of a lot more people that say they are voting yes than I do those who say they are voting no. The undecided I'm working on. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Wink.gif)
You are milking them good.
What complete and utter nonsense.
Independence is
not going to happen!
How do I know? Rj Howie told me so, and that's good enough for me.
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I know a heck of a lot more people that say they are voting yes than I do those who say they are voting no.
Have you considered that it's because they are people you know. Maybe you need to get outside you circle of friends and acquaintances.
Yeah, go to an Afro-Caribbean district and ask them what they think about Scottish white nationalism?;)
Well, let's start...
Just heard (BBC Surrey), tomorrow's gonna start a strike of London tube workers or something, and the commuters are gonna have to figure out about their way home that night...
Major problem with this thread...there was no beer option.
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The SNP has been found out yet again.
They waxed lyrical about how they had checked and legally an independent Scotland could get into the EEC. However investigation then showed they had lied and never took legal advice. In addition the EEC has made it clear they would have to apply. The Nats want their damn cake and eat it. How can you be an independent sovereign nation but remain allied to another country's bank - the Bank of England. Such a link would mean the Bank could influence internal Scots matters. Salmond was also found to have given wrong information on Education and he and the Education minister had to come back to the Edinburgh parliament to apologise. Salmond claimed that the pound was a smuch Scots as the rest of GB but that is damn nonsense. Only if you are in the Union but not if you are out of it.
In an independent Scotland therwe would be no Barnett Formula which subsidises Scots by more than it does the English, Welsh and Ulster folk. Oil is a waffle as it is declining and what when it goes? We spend as much on Welfare as the oil income would be. Salmond waxed lyrical for years on the Irish Republic but it only floated because of EEC handouts now it is still in a mess and he doesn't talk about it now. The replacement is Scandinavia but we are NOT like them nore their traditions. With no Plan B Salmond has had to waffle on economics and his female camp follower of a deputy, Sturgeon says they are being bullied. Somehow Nationalists have worked out Scotland would be the most prosperous country in the world and exempt from the economic woes.
"We were once an independent nation" they cry. Aye we were but we were dead broke and sunk in poverty and the Union saved us. As for that stuff a contributor has mentioned her of Scotland being 50-50. What is he reading - an old Dandy or Beano comic. Polls are No and I think he has simply lumped the unsures onto the Yes emotional Scots loonies. Everyone in my circle, lodge, etc are voting NO. Two young students working part-time in my supermarket café (early twenties) are voting NO. The Secondary Schools in Salmond's MSP area had a mock referendum vote and every one voted NO! A special school was the only one to vote on his side.
Salmond and his SNP zombies picked 2014 because of the 600th anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn and the Commonwealth Games in Glasgow. They are treating Scots as if they are daft on this and I can now tell everyone that although I admired Bannockburn the 3 day festival to be held has been cut down to only 2 days because they cannot sell enough tickets. Recently they had a march in Edinburgh and claimed all sorts of inflated numbers which the police disagreed with. The thing I noticed was the lack of a big crowd watching them. However last year there was a 10,000 strong parade of Scots Unionists to the Meadows in Edinburgh for a rally
We need to kick these would-be modern Jacobites into the heather. We did it in 1715 and 1745 and I will don my red coat and do it again in 2014.
Bring it on as I want to see what keech the Salmondites come up with when the vote comes in!
Proud to be Scots. Proud to be British.
Oh, my!.. If the statuses were given for the volume - you'd already be a hero ;)
Welcome home, Robert Howie[/abbr]
RJ, I would only remark that polls aren't all that reliable. The only one that counts is on Voting Day. But until then, polls are subject to the biases of the pollsters, amongst other things--- and therefore to be taken with a very large grain of salt.
Other than that, though, I suspect you're right about this one. The SNP wanting to remain on the Pound would have me wondering just how much they thought this through, since it's hard to be "independent" if you're depending on the "parent's" money. Personally, I don't like the idea of switching to the Euro, either, and for much the same reason: It gives your new-found "independence" away to a different master. As long as somebody else can jerk your financial chain, you're not independent at all.
Pertaining to the British Empire, there've been cases of such "partial independence": let alone the so called 'Crown Dependencies', we have, eg, a case of judicial binding - Pakistan has the British high Court as its ultimate judicial instance (as I heard/read that).
Apart from that, I think there are countries comfortable enough with having the US dollar as their currency. I'm not sure on that, though, if they/some of them aren't having some sort of a "national paper" alongside...
Yes mjm, you are correct, for a small country, as Scotland would be, to be part of a fiscal union with a large one is to surrender a lot of independence. As part of the UK the Scots have a large, and respected influence at the highest levels of Government.
You put the word "Independence" on inverted commas, as well you should. One thing that I find distressing is the way the SDP campaign is being carried out by ratcheting up anti British sentiment and driving a wedge between, particularly, the Scots and the English. All that is cumulative and if the Yes side is successful these things well not be forgotten and Separation is what Scotland will get. That's not a future I would like.
In the meantime President Jose Manuel Barroso has said it would be "extremely difficult, if not impossible" for an independent Scotland to join the European Union. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963European Commission)
The SNP,of course, ignores all this and continues it's campaign on the basis of hate and misinformation.
Should farting be taxed?
We should tackle 'climate change'
Can Scottish independence STOP "climate change"?
(Or should we just stop farting? ???)
@Mr. Howie: This is the user formerly known as "thedawgfan". Had you been bothered with even an ounce of reading comprehension, you would have noticed that the 50-50 comment pertained to the couple of Scots I am friends with (8).
@Josh: The bit about the BE was a jab at Mr. Howie, as he loved said BE.
The main thrust of the storms have been south of the Border and only the far north of Scotland in a remote population situ touched. Being a Glasgow Presbyterian I have looked after my city of course. Somerset and similar are very low lying and is a wonder folk didn't wear clogs or have an array of windmills. Shame of course for those effected.
The latest from the honorable FM...
First Minister Speech February 17, 2014
This morning I want to set out four points of real importance for people as they make up their minds on whether Scotland should be an independent country.
For the complete speech see...
http://news.scotland.gov.uk/Speeches-Briefings/First-Minister-speech-February-17-2014-95a.aspx (http://news.scotland.gov.uk/Speeches-Briefings/First-Minister-speech-February-17-2014-95a.aspx)
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I couldn't care less what the Scotch will do or how they will vote.
However it seems that England has strong interest to keep them as part of the UK, otherwise it wouldn't bother at all.
As for a fiscal union, there are even smaller countries in the EU with their own currency. Just sayin'.
Barroso compared Scotland to Kosovo.
We have seen that Spain has been opposing even the recognition of Kosovo, for instance, so it’s to some extent a similar case because it’s a new country and so I believe it’s going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, a new member state coming out of one of our countries [getting the agreement of other existing EU member states].
However, Spain has its own reasons/interests to not recognize Kosovo or even Scotland for that matter. Namely its own fear for losing the Basque Provinces ;)
I wonder if Scottish independence could start a Balkanizing of Europe. Spain isn't the only country with districts that might get ideas (or already have them) if Scotland successfully seceded from the UK.
Ain't gonna happen in either case.
I wonder if Scottish independence could start a Balkanizing of Europe. Spain isn't the only country with districts that might get ideas (or already have them) if Scotland successfully seceded from the UK.
They've had such ideas for centuries (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_Movement). Belgium's governmental structure is currently (con)federal in nature, with Flanders, Wallonia, and Brussels having significant degrees of independence. The Basque Country, Catalonia, and Scotland are quite comparable in many ways. One potentially important difference is that Flanders and Wallonia are more or less equal partners.
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I couldn't care less what the Scotch will do or how they will vote.
However it seems that England has strong interest to keep them as part of the UK, otherwise it wouldn't bother at all.
As for a fiscal union, there are even smaller countries in the EU with their own currency. Just sayin'.
Barroso compared Scotland to Kosovo.
We have seen that Spain has been opposing even the recognition of Kosovo, for instance, so it’s to some extent a similar case because it’s a new country and so I believe it’s going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible, a new member state coming out of one of our countries [getting the agreement of other existing EU member states].
However, Spain has its own reasons/interests to not recognize Kosovo or even Scotland for that matter. Namely its own fear for losing the Basque Provinces ;)
Scotland is an important part of the United Kingdom so naturally we do not like to be diminished by its absence, I care very much about the issue. I confider myself British, not English.
I beg to differ about Barroso comparing Scotland to Kosovo; he was illustrating the depth of Spanish concern on seceded parts of a country being granted EU membership. Salmond claimed an insult, but that was just Salmond continuing his strategy of hate and innuendo.
As to the currency, Scotland can certainly survive as a separate country but in diminished form. At present it has a large financial sector. I don't see that surviving separation especially with a new currency tainted with Salmond's irresponsible remarks on honouring debts, and an England that has been thoroughly pissed off . North sea oil will help, of course, for 10 to 20 years.
I wonder if Scottish independence could start a Balkanizing of Europe. Spain isn't the only country with districts that might get ideas (or already have them) if Scotland successfully seceded from the UK.
You are right, this has been evident from the time that the European Parliament was formed. There are simply too many levels of government for them all to be affordable, or needed, or wanted. But (IMHO) it's not a splitting into very small countries that will happen, its more a reduction of the influence of national Governments and the rise in importance of regional entities.
In the event of Scotland's independence, I wonder how their immigration policies will change/if they will change?
Labour of course was/is more lax regarding immigration, while Cameron's bunch have restricted immigration/done away with Erasmus studies for students (thankfully on the latter, I was one of the last in).
Most Scots are not in favour of more immigration. The percentage is higher in England because it has been swamped. If unlikely Scotland was independent and the rest of Gt Britain came out of the corrupt EEC then there would have to be some kind of restriction on the border. Britain is overcrowded as it is and the goody two shoes people neatly bodyswerve that and the fact that we are not a very big island.
Salmond's answer to criticism is to accuse people of bullying Scots but he adopts a sneering attitude himself. He adopts this stance that he and his lot are somehow Scotland and other parties are somehow not. He has a majority in the Scots Parliament but when one looks at the results of the local elections last time right across the country there were no SNP Councils.Several with coalitions to keep them out. He got where he has in Edinburgh due to dis-satisfaction with the previous administration but if they are so wonderful why couldn't they swipe across Scotland at the UK General Election? They couldn't get more than a handful which also tells a story in itself. Having been caught out on currency and the EEC the oaf adopts his usual sniping and arrogant stand. He doesn't represent a majority of Scots , He also has the 2 Green MSPs so I await him in Jesus sandals and beard next saving whales. If he tries to rubbish others that is meant to be okay but when he gets it back it is anti-Scottish, etc. For someone who once worked in a bank he must have been stuck on an abacus because he is an economic flop.
In the event of Scotland's independence, I wonder how their immigration policies will change/if they will change?
Labour of course was/is more lax regarding immigration, while Cameron's bunch have restricted immigration/done away with Erasmus studies for students (thankfully on the latter, I was one of the last in).
Were you the trigger that brought about the change in policy?
Were you the trigger that brought about the change in policy?
Trigger? I remember Trigger!
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In the event of Scotland's independence, I wonder how their immigration policies will change/if they will change?
Labour of course was/is more lax regarding immigration, while Cameron's bunch have restricted immigration/done away with Erasmus studies for students (thankfully on the latter, I was one of the last in).
Were you the trigger that brought about the change in policy?
Not at all my good Sir.
The party of Thatcher has apparently always been this way.
And Thatcher was right.
Came across this Romanian brochure, and had to share:
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English has even spread to a degree in your corner too Southern boy as long as one has patience to try and listen.
According to BBC Radio Oxford, British unemployed don't want to get jobs in farming. English fruit are picked up by hordes of Bulgarians instead...
Though, as usual -- Russia's drunkards don't want to work in construction (which is a blessing!).
Came across this Romanian brochure, and had to share:
The problem with Latin countries (yes, Romania is a Latin country) is that people always wants to please, as so cleared stated at that picture.
The way to Latin countries to defend themselves is to attack and insult. Then, Saxons will be put to their place.
And. as far as I know, Romania is not part of such a ridicule thing as "UK and Crown Dependencies".
And Thatcher was right.
I'm sure she would have kept your lot out if she was alive in the 5th century.
English has even spread to a degree in your corner too Southern boy as long as one has patience to try and listen.
Indeed; how truly tragic it has yet to spread to wee Scotland! :P
The problem with Latin countries (yes, Romania is a Latin country) is that people always wants to please, as so cleared stated at that picture.
The way to Latin countries to defend themselves is to attack and insult. Then, Saxons will be put to their place.
I'll take your word for it.
I'm sure she would have kept your lot out if she was alive in the 5th century.
lol
Just a brief aside to touch on an amazing Sochi event, the Small Bird Downhill Slalom.
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As I suspected from Macallan and the southern laddie. Immigration has to be controlled on a small island but that understanding seems. Might as well have made the Confederate a Mod at this rate.
As for comparing the northern part of the kingdom here with Kosovo?? That place was part of Serbia but the Kosovo Liberation Army were thugs and crims as well as making their funds by drug running although if was shut a blind eye to by the West. Just shows what happens when you let a bunch of Albanians in, breed and then do what they like in your country.
Oh and as for language boy you stayed in England which corrupts it's own language to the point of absurdity. Liverpudlian, Newcastle, Birmingham and London twangs amongst others are despairing.
As I suspected from Macallan and the southern laddie. Immigration has to be controlled on a small island but that understanding seems. Might as well have made the Confederate a Mod at this rate.
As for comparing the northern part of the kingdom here with Kosovo?? That place was part of Serbia but the Kosovo Liberation Army were thugs and crims as well as making their funds by drug running although if was shut a blind eye to by the West. Just shows what happens when you let a bunch of Albanians in, breed and then do what they like in your country.
Oh and as for language boy you stayed in England which corrupts it's own language to the point of absurdity. Liverpudlian, Newcastle, Birmingham and London twangs amongst others are despairing.
It needs to be somewhat controlled, yes, but that is impossible with your membership in the EU.
Also, there are some jobs you lot won't take, so why not have immigrants do it.
Having grown up where I have, I daresay I could out-work most other immigrants in your country, as i am used to working in above 40C (really 44 C) temps. I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a laugh out of when I saw some Scousers turning on the AC when it finally hit 77 F.
Scouser was an amusing accent, no doubt. Lots of almost-coughing involved in it, but I can still do an impression of it that is almost perfect. :left:
I used to find it amusing when some south of the Border moaned about our regional acents up here and Glaswegian in particular. If many regional English folk could hear what they actually sound like and what they do to their language that would be something else.
Anyway it has been long known that women play a big part in this fortchoming Referendum and now the Nats have accepted this. Weeks ago, I bumped into an ex-councillor of the city with his wife in a supermarket. He remembered me from years ago and we got into a chat. He was always a bullish, self-opiniated bloke and went on about the SNP this and that stuff. Of course he was voting yes and he turned to his wife when he found I was an adamant No she said she was voting no! Kind of shut him up and I said cheerio to them.
People like Luxor earlier in this thread go on about preferring Scots to be running the country whist at the same time he and they quite neatly forget history they wax about. Scotland was bankrupt and extremely poor and the Act of Union save the place. In due course as the Empire spread many of it's people in important positions were Scots and in time things improved. There is too much of the granny's Hielan' Hame stuff and that we would automatically be aside from the European and world,economic problems. The SNP appeals to the emotional and those hijacked by bagpipes and shortbread. If something isn't right somehow it is automatically Whitehall's fault. Maybe the rain we are getting fits into that mentality? If Salmond cannot answer a question in depth he procrastinates, sneers and blusters his way out.
Now I going out to get a No badge. :no:
I used to find it amusing when some south of the Border moaned about our regional acents up here and Glaswegian in particular.
I thought Glaswegians were significantly easier to understand than English people from a few hours south.
RJ, I have to ask. In your never-to-be-humble opinion, is there anybody in the SNP who has the first clue how to run a nation if you did get independence? Putting together a government, then figuring out monetary policy, trade with the now suddenly foreign UK, putting together a credible defense and all that isn't as easy as some make it seem-- but I'm curious about whether the SNP has even considered these things.
Somerset is still flooded. The local authorities have adopted a 20-year anti-flooding plan. I wonder if it will be already outdated by that time.
People like Luxor earlier in this thread go on about preferring Scots to be running the country whist at the same time he and they quite neatly forget history they wax about.
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Now I going out to get a No badge.
You should get one quite easily. I heard they can't even give them away. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/BigGrin.gif)
You ignore history I am afraid and depend on emotional granny's Hielan' Hame stuff. However I have the sad news to tell you on two things.
(1) You lot can appear as forthright as you like and bluster because Salmond is going to lose. (2) Brigadoon does not exist! :devil:
Barroso compared Scotland to Kosovo.
However, Spain has its own reasons/interests to not recognize Kosovo or even Scotland for that matter. Namely its own fear for losing the Basque Provinces ;)
Much more acutely and importantly Catalonia. The Catalan parties intend to hold a referendum November 9 this year, something the central government in Madrid has refused to acknowledge. Maybe partly for that reason the support for an independent Catalan state has grown while the support for an independent Scottish state has fizzled. There are 6 months left to the Scottish Referendum, 8 to the Catalan.
The EU wouldn't care that much about Scotland, but they do care about Catalonia. Anything that could lead to Catalan og Basque separatism Spain is against, and yes, that includes Kosovo as well.
When the referenda are well over, the EU including Spain would fasttrack any newly independent country back into the fold, it is much less damaging than if they didn't.
It's a question of timing though, Jax. Well over could be 20 years or more, and unofficial referendum or not, Spain is unlikely to soften it's stance in the short term.
The movements in Spain and Scotland are news grabbers today, but separatism in Europe is larger than just those two countries. History dies hard.
Some British separatists would argue that Britain is not Europe!:)
Ironically, the SNP is trying to persuade the Scots to separate from the UK so that they can surrender their independence to the European Union.
(The Euro, common defense policy and lots and lots of lovely rules.)
You have it in one there string. Independence then have your economy controlled by Brussels?!Think too that the earlier view that the EEC isn't interested in Scotland is also correct. The SNP has already been caught out saying it had been in touch with the EEC when it turned out they had lied. The EEC has also said that an indpendent Scotland would have to aplly as a new country which is what it would be.
Salmond and his groupie deputy, Nicola Sturgeon just ignore things when caught out and doggedly stick to believing they are like Moses coming down the mountain. On top of the EEC fiasco they have been told by the GB Treasury that there will be NO currency agreement. Another fact that Salmond tries to bluster and bully on. He has no plan B I just want to see the SNP lot slapped down so people must get off their backsides and vote. They are so arrogant the nationalist llot they think they are the sole holders of the St Andrew;s saltire. A while back I made a point of saying that their Yes March through Edinburgh did not have the numbers they expected and indeed a NO parade the year before had 12,00 marching through Edinburgh and more than the tartan shortbread could muscle.
Must say that jimbro does have a point in the reference to history but it is not just in Europe. There are hundreds of thousands in the ex-colonies who would love independence but their problem is they are too spread out and nothing will happen. Well in our lifetimes - after all no-one expected the Soviet Union ever to collapse. Anywa, history will always be with us no matter where we live.
Proud to be Scots - Proud to be British.
...a NO parade the year before had 12,00 marching through Edinburgh...
Twelve point zero demonstrators?
:)
You ignore history
No I don't, I was educated far enough away from Glasgow. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Wink.gif)
I just never enter into debate/argument with people on-line
*, I do it face-to-face. In striking distance if you will. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/EvilGrin.gif)
Brigadoon does not exist!
Oh no! Say it isn't so. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/ShockedFaint.gif)
*I may mock now and again.
...a NO parade the year before had 12,00 marching through Edinburgh...
Twelve point zero demonstrators?
:)
It was a small group.
Okay, okay, smart alexs so i missed a nothing out. The 12,000 who marched last year outnumbered that SNP Brigadoons. Not that there were that many people watching them whereas our No parade had a whole selection of bands and as said, bigger.
I'd be remiss if I didn't post this wonderful video that so much captures the joy and travail of upper class England.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tPqL-1aSbn0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tPqL-1aSbn0)
And you just love the actual programmme too.
The movements in Spain and Scotland are news grabbers today, but separatism in Europe is larger than just those two countries. History dies hard.
In other news, Western Colorado is trying to separate from the rest of Colorado. (No chance in hell it happens, but anyway....)
http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022239770_coloradosecessionxml.html (http://seattletimes.com/html/nationworld/2022239770_coloradosecessionxml.html)
Oh they better not separate or the Feds might de-stabilise the bomb. Horses for course.
Horses for course.
:confused:
He might be attempting to quote the saying "Horses for courses".
God knows what he thinks it means.
A mostly British expression urging someone to stick to the thing he knows best, 'horses for courses' comes from the horse racing world, where it is widely assumed that some horses race better on certain courses than on others. A horse that runs well on a dry course will run less well on a damp course and vice versa."
It means that what is suitable for one person or situation might be unsuitable for another.
One can never be certain.
As a famous person once said, "Not everything you read on the internet is true."
Well you are being consistent on this forum tt92 with that arrogance that so epitomises so many who think they are clever. Maybe I am being too hard on you as once you get beyond junior school things will get broader for you.
The government is up to introduce an obligatory hot meal for each pupil in the UK's schools. Some smaller institutions say they're gonna face some difficulties considering that.
Well you are being consistent on this forum tt92 with that arrogance that so epitomises so many who think they are clever.
We're all clever here, but some more so than others.
The government is up to introduce an obligatory hot meal for each pupil in the UK's schools. Some smaller institutions say they're gonna face some difficulties considering that.
I've asked this question before (just curiosity, as you seem fascinated by the UK) and gotten no answer, but I'll ask it again; are you currently living in the UK?
Teachers are up to go strike again...
This isn't going on in the UK per se, but the EU has a blog calling out bs in British media (http://ec.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/blog/index_en.htm).
Firstly.
JoshL you intimate only a part story. Only a fraction of teachers went on strike not all. And it wass only in one home nation - England.
Secondly.
Yep you are so very right there jimbro. There are clever people here and to give you all a chance I reserve my corner to give you all an opportunity to get more confident......
The elimination of badgers which took up last year, seems to get "go" this year in new areas:
DEFRA/NFU to continue the killing in Gloucestershire and Somerset, with possible new cull zone in Dorset - Act today, spend £15 to join the Hunt Saboteurs Association - non violent direct action, the only line of defence our badgers have left.
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10201840571398073&id=253677804659014
THE government’s badger culls are to be restarted this summer with a third killing zone, in Dorset, added to the two existing ones, in Somerset and Gloucestershire, say Whitehall sources.
Badger cull to be extended | The Sunday Times (http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/Environment/article1391192.ece)
http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10201840559797783&id=253677804659014
Stop the British Badger Cull (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-the-British-Badger-Cull/253677804659014)
Having not received an answer from Josh, I am just going to assume he is quite obsessed with the UK.
Therefore, I nominate Mr. Howie to give him the grandiose tour! /s :eyes:
Now that is extremely very generous and kind of you dear rebel - although tour of what? Your mysterious tour generosity has me curious. Now moving from your knidness i must comment on the man from fur hat land.
Once again he mentions a teacher strike and again I must too emphatically inform that it is NOT national. There are effected schools but most are still open other Union not involved. And it is as I pointed out confined to England. Maybe you could help enlighten him of the fact that there are 4 home nations that make up Gt Britain so he might understand that more?? As for hot meals in schools we have another puzzle as they are hardly new and here they have always been present and used them myself - not at Primary School (too near my then home) but at Secondary due to distance. Mind you even in Glasgow we didn't have badgers on the menu so how that animal came into the thing on schools is beyond me. ??? :D
Saharan sand pours onto England. The radio presenter's said it was reported by DEFRA and connected to the Climate Change (sic, with capitals;).
Saharan sand pours onto England. The radio presenter's said it was reported by DEFRA and connected to the Climate Change (sic, with capitals;).
Nah, it was just because of some farting camels. :beard:
Camels don't write 2k pages reports (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=109.msg15355#msg15355)! :P
Siren FM has reported breathing problems in London (the Saharan sand). Also the government is about to introduce blank packs for cigarettes.
It's a question of timing though, Jax. Well over could be 20 years or more, and unofficial referendum or not, Spain is unlikely to soften it's stance in the short term.
I would be willing to bet that the day 1 of Independent Catalunya would be as an EU member. The same goes for Independent Scotland, even more so. Spain might hold back for fear of more wayward separating countries, first among them Independent Euskadi, but Spain needs Catalunya as much as Catalunya needs Spain.
Located between Spain and France, a Catalunya that is not a member of Schengen, EU, the Eurozone, would hurt Spain. Britain would have no such reason to fear a wayward Wales or to be obstructionist, a Scottish EU membership would coast through in the same period of time as the divorce would take. A Scotland (and Ireland) in Schengen and in the Eurozone, with a Britain out of the EU all together is a possible scenario.
If Britain were to leave the EU first, the EU would be more than happy to welcome a newly independent Scotland back.
I present to y'all....... Scumbag David Cameron:
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A convicted serial killer has received a compensation for minor injuries got through a cellmate's assault. 'Jail staff could've prevented it but didn't'.
Via BBC Surrey
Global Radio's newly acquired Real Radio XS in Glasgow will re-launch as XFM Scotland on Monday, after a weekend of non-stop music.
http://radiotoday.co.uk/2014/04/this-is-the-last-link-on-real-xs-glasgow/
Shit happens.
©http://www.mediauk.com/radio/news/go/214209/this-is-the-last-link-on-real-xs-glasgow
Firstly you are wrong and ignoring what has happened in fact. The EEC leaders have stated publicly that an independent Scotland would not be an automatic member. The SNP chooses to ignore this as on most things when found wanting. They assert that as we have been a constituent partb of an existing member their entry is automatic. Leaders of the EEC have said repeatedly that is NOT the case. Scotland would be an independent sovereign State and therefor a new applicant. Neither is it definite it would get in.
Now the Southern laddie come in with that rather infantile language of describing the Prime Minister as a scumbag. What wonderful wording and again the boy is wrong and glaringly so. May i remind him that he is out of sync with reality? Cameron does NOT want out of the EEC so do try and get the facts right before coming out with such rampant language. Somehow just because the PM is keen on a refernndum (due to the feeling sin the country) does not auotmatically mean he wants out. Indeed he has stated his position which has been neatly ignored.
Now the Southern laddie come in with that rather infantile language of describing the Prime Minister as a scumbag. What wonderful wording and again the boy is wrong and glaringly so. May i remind him that he is out of sync with reality? Cameron does NOT want out of the EEC so do try and get the facts right before coming out with such rampant language. Somehow just because the PM is keen on a refernndum (due to the feeling sin the country) does not auotmatically mean he wants out. Indeed he has stated his position which has been neatly ignored.
Yes, Cammy lad is a scumbag of the highest degree, and I don't apologize for attacking him so vehemently.
Due to the feelings in the country? Have you gone mad? Who in Scotland wants out of the EU, should the independence vote fail?
Wales? Perhaps a few English Tories want out, per the incessant ramblings on The Telegraph, but to state "due to the feelings in the country" is a load of bollocks to the highest degree.
Davey Boy is a spineless, malcontented git. May he immediately go bald!
You are rather strange on this Cameron issue. I don't have his picture on a wall but I repeat again as it is not registering. He wants to stay in Europe but an awful lot of people don't and he has led the call for a Referendum. So although he isn't my well, hero, he has done things above board in wanting the British people to have their say. Do not see what he is doing wrong at all. Strikingly fair actually.
Remember this too. Decades ago we voted for a Trade association in Europe NOT what we now have so the people have a right to a say. Whether you like Cameron or not isn't the point it is the principle being mooted. So what don't you understand about this? Instead you swing off on a hypo. Rather puzzling stance.
According to BBC Three Counties, "some people are urinating on the streets", and it's "disgusting!":whistle:
So the question to discuss is: how much p. are you ready to lose along with your pee (using "clean public toilets").;)
You are rather strange on this Cameron issue. I don't have his picture on a wall but I repeat again as it is not registering. He wants to stay in Europe but an awful lot of people don't and he has led the call for a Referendum. So although he isn't my well, hero, he has done things above board in wanting the British people to have their say. Do not see what he is doing wrong at all. Strikingly fair actually.
Remember this too. Decades ago we voted for a Trade association in Europe NOT what we now have so the people have a right to a say. Whether you like Cameron or not isn't the point it is the principle being mooted. So what don't you understand about this? Instead you swing off on a hypo. Rather puzzling stance.
What's puzzling to me is that you have yet to provide a link to these supposed hordes of Brits that want out of the EU.
Pray tell, what exactly did you all want? Did you not want an economic union of Europe, to strengthen the continent as a whole?
Firstly you are wrong and ignoring what has happened in fact. The EEC leaders have stated publicly that an independent Scotland would not be an automatic member.
Government leaders in the EU would say that. Countries divorcing complicates matters. For one small thing Scotland + Scotfree Britain would have more voting power than today's UK alone would have. Scots is considerably more pro-EU than those south of the river. But most importantly the national governments that lead the EU often have restless natives of their own, the process shouldn't seem too easy to give them ideas.
But a Scotland in the EU, and an accession process that has finished with the divorce papers so that Scotland will never be outside the EU, is a clear advantage to Scotland, to Scotfree Britain, and to the EU, so clear it would happen unless Madrid backed into a dark corner.
Irish president visits the UK.
We voted decades ago just for a trade situation NOT a political one with elected MEP's and the jumbo, corrupt and useless thing we have now. The three main parties here have all known that there is a large percentage of Britons who want either dramatic changes or straight ot of it. It has been a semi-regular thing here for a long time so how you are ignorant Rebel is beyond understanding. And to stress it even more why the deuce do you think the UKIP is doing so well in polls here bere the Euro Elections? Some are even saying they might ovektake the Conservative, Labour and Sical Democrat parties. Yet you drift into some self-satisfying mode that i am making something up? The bell is ringing so back into school boy!
We voted decades ago just for a trade situation NOT a political one with elected MEP's and the jumbo, corrupt and useless thing we have now. The three main parties here have all known that there is a large percentage of Britons who want either dramatic changes or straight ot of it. It has been a semi-regular thing here for a long time so how you are ignorant Rebel is beyond understanding. And to stress it even more why the deuce do you think the UKIP is doing so well in polls here bere the Euro Elections? Some are even saying they might ovektake the Conservative, Labour and Sical Democrat parties. Yet you drift into some self-satisfying mode that i am making something up? The bell is ringing so back into school boy!
And you've known your neighbors and their tendencies for hundreds of years. No use in complaining now that the last of y'alls superpower luster has faded. Be a good lad and fall in behind your German leaders.
Also, does that mean you will be forever grateful to de Gaulle for trying to keep y'all out? :P
Finally, I graduated in December, so try again. Also, still waiting patiently for those links. :sing:
And the only think that keeps your Imperial global and military empire afloat is Communist money. What a farce someone trying to lecture on past glory. Nice to hear you graduated and that is against the flow. It appears that literacy i your State is just in the 80's as much of the nation. The land of the free and home of the brave ( :rolleyes:) has a widespread education problem that has been getting worse. Tens of millions of poor, starving and millions homeless and you come here to pontificate on elsewhere?
And no, I ain't playing circle mind games with you now you are excited to go against the Mississippi trend as I have answered on Opera. Niggle all you want in response. However, I will smile up at my picture of General Lee to symbolise you passed.
And the only think that keeps your Imperial global and military empire afloat is Communist money. What a farce someone trying to lecture on past glory. Nice to hear you graduated and that is against the flow. It appears that literacy i your State is just in the 80's as much of the nation. The land of the free and home of the brave ( :rolleyes:) has a widespread education problem that has been getting worse. Tens of millions of poor, starving and millions homeless and you come here to pontificate on elsewhere?
And no, I ain't playing circle mind games with you now you are excited to go against the Mississippi trend as I have answered on Opera. Niggle all you want in response. However, I will smile up at my picture of General Lee to symbolise you passed.
Responses:
1. Need I go into what kept the British Empire afloat for many years, not including our help for much of the 1900-1945?
2. Thank you Sir! :cheers:
3. Yes, and much like us, the noble Brits also are having terrible problems. Being the helpful person I am, when a friend of mine's wife (who also studied abroad in Liverpool, though it was the year after I studied there) had some of her friends from Manchester and London come to her engagement party, the Mancer had lost his cell phone, so I lent him mine for a time. He used it for texting, and dear god man, for a 25 year old man, the spelling was atrocious. Granted, I know that's how texting generally goes, though I don't type out that crap (spelling like it's all supposed to be), but it was terrible.
Seems as though John Major and the Wicked Witch before him failed on the education front? :confused:
4. Seeing you include the papacy in this conversation, randomly, I am concluding you are in fact considering a conversion. Take note, @Belfrager!
5. Finally, I found this on Reddit today, and figured you'd like reading it. http://www.ntd.tv/en/news/china/20130319/77889-scmp-poll-hong-kong-wants-return-to-british-rule.html (http://www.ntd.tv/en/news/china/20130319/77889-scmp-poll-hong-kong-wants-return-to-british-rule.html)
What's wrong with this system?
Children have got compulsorily(?) allocated to a new Sikh (first gov.funded) school in Buckinghamshire.
The school says it won't oblige pupils to learn Sikhism, though having the Punjabi language hours for children. But what it WILL oblige children to not do: they're having a "recommendation" for pupils and their parent not to eat (and not to supply their children with such breakfasts - for the parent) meat at all within the school's premises.
Nick Clegg's revolt?
I hear that the Lib Dem Deputy Prime Minister failed to turn up for a scheduled private audience with the Queen at Windsor Castle on Tuesday. His place had to be taken by Conservative Home Secretary Theresa May.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2606486/SEBASTIAN-SHAKESPEARE-Chat-Clegg-snubs-Queen-again.html
While Nick Clegg was more than happy to appear in the studios of talk-radio station LBC, which hosts his weekly Call Clegg phone-in show, he was unable to find time in his busy schedule to make the 22-mile journey to meet the Queen.
...
The royal audience was of particular importance, as it was due to be followed by the ceremony at which Sajid Javid would be sworn in as one of the Queen’s Privy Counsellors.
Retrieved via Media UK (http://www.mediauk.com/radio/news/go/214729/sebastian-shakespeare-chat-show-nick-clegg-snubs-the-queen-again).Is Nick an anti-monarchist? Jacobite?
"Who's that woman", -- he could say, huh?
...evidence pointing to the centrality of the British terror factions in the north-east of Ireland to Britain’s counter-insurgency war against the Irish Republican Army.
Simply put it is now beyond any reasonable form of doubt that terrorist organisations like the UDA-UFF (which for most of its history was a legal terror group under British law), the UVF and others operated as de facto adjuncts to the British Forces in Ireland, both military and paramilitary.
As long as Northern Ireland is part of the United Kingdom,
the Crown has its right to legitimise patriotic activities. Right?
https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=93.msg18035#msg18035
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The government concerns about increasing numbers of young Brits going to Syria as volunteers.
BBC Three Counties
Good news from England!
Overall crime in England and Wales fell by 15% in 2013, official figures show.
The Crime Survey for England and Wales reported 7.5 million crimes against households and adults in that year, the lowest level since it began in 1981.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27138921 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27138921)
Causing BBC speculation that the criminals world-wide have been lead astray (http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-27067615).
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Did removing lead from petrol spark a decline in crime?
Many Western nations have experienced significant declines in crime in recent decades, but could the removal of lead from petrol explain that?
Working away in his laboratory in 1921, Thomas Midgley wanted to fuel a brighter tomorrow. He created tetraethyl lead - a compound that would make car engines more efficient than ever.
But did the lead that we added to our petrol do something so much worse? Was it the cause of a decades-long crime wave that is only now abating as the poisonous element is removed from our environment?
For most of the 20th Century crime rose and rose and rose. Every time a new home secretary took office in the UK - or their equivalents in justice and interior ministries elsewhere - officials would show them graphs and mumble apologetically that there was nothing they could do to stop crime rising.
Then, about 20 years ago, the trend reversed - and all the broad measures of key crimes have been falling ever since. Offending has fallen in nations whose governments have implemented completely different policies to their neighbours.
If your nation locks up more criminals than the average, crime has fallen. If it locks up fewer... crime has fallen. Nobody seems to know for sure why. But there are some people that believe the removal of lead from petrol was a key factor.
Stop the English badger cull (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stop-the-English-badger-cull/115370121837897)
Yesterday at 14:17 ·
"The battle over the findings of the Independent Experts’ Panel into the pilot badger culls has taken an increasingly bitter turn in recent days, with the British Veterinary Association threatening to withdraw support for the culls."
Read more: http://www.westernmorningnews.co.uk/British-Veterinary-Association-calls-Defra/story-20994031-detail/story.html
The people who moan about the cull aren't farmers who have to put up with the damn menaces.
farmers
Are they dying?
Badgers came to their houses with bad intentions?
The Economist launches daily podcast (http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FeaturesexecMediaBulletin/~3/ReXIk4Uri5s/news_article.php)
The Economist has launched daily morning podcast In Other Words. In Other Words provides listeners access to The Economist’s blogs, posts and interviews within a listening format.
http://www.mediauk.com/radio/news/go/215216/the-economist-launches-daily-podcast
JoshL. Do try and read what I say old chap. It is farmers who suffer the most and their livliehood and if you cannot understand that you have a problem.
farmers who suffer
Suffer to death?
You anthropocentrists are ridiculous.
Oh dear I have to say you understand nothing old chap. They are a constant damn nuisance and loss to farmers so what don't you understand about that. If you lived in a country area festooned with them perhaps you might have more savvy?
It's been two decades now that Napoleon's subversive scheme has been running. During this time most but not all Britons have swapped their insular mentality into a more up-to-date peninsular mentality.
After 20 years, Channel Tunnel's doubters quieted by its success (http://www.scmp.com/news/world/article/1504321/after-20-years-channel-tunnels-doubters-quieted-its-success)
In February 1986, British transport secretary Nicholas Ridley sought to reassure concerned lawmakers, saying: "Will rabies come? Will the Russians invade along the tunnel? Should Britain remain an island? I sympathise with these emotional arguments but I do not believe that they are rational."
Some members of parliament called for all carriages to be sealed to prevent unscrupulous travellers dumping their rubbish, attracting foxes and other pests.
In fact, a wild rabid animal was found on a beach in southern England in 1996, the first trace of rabies in the country since 1922. But vets revealed that the offending creature, a Daubenton's bat - an insectivore very common in France - was carrying a virus not transmissible to dogs, horses, foxes or other mammals. Most importantly, it had taken the aerial route across the Channel.
John Noulton, communications director of Eurotunnel, also sought to reassure claustrophobic critics that, although the tunnel was definitely dark, the train journey would be no worse than travelling on "a wide-body jet during the night".
Today, Eurotunnel supporters quote playwright William Shakespeare to describe the scare-stories as "much ado about nothing". In October 2012, the year of the London Olympics, Eurotunnel celebrated its 300 millionth passenger.
I am into railway simulator projects but what I found hilarious was one man who was going to create the Channel Tunnel route. How any sim rail fan of any positiveness would want to drive through 20 odd miles of tunnel is beyond me!
This went on in the UK recently, much to the chagrin of Tony Blair.
RELIGIOUS belief is usually a no-go area for British prime ministers. As Tony Blair's media advisor Alastair Campbell once put it: "we don't do God".
The current occupant of No. 10 seems to have decided otherwise. In widely reported comments made over Easter, David Cameron said that people in the UK should be "more evangelical" and "more confident about our status as a Christian country".
That provoked a chorus of dissent – some of it, rather unexpectedly, from the former Archbishop of Canterbury. Describing the UK as a "post-Christian country", Rowan Williams said that the era of widespread worship was over.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229671.500-god-notbotherers-religious-apathy-reigns.html#.U2jy8PldUs0 (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229671.500-god-notbotherers-religious-apathy-reigns.html#.U2jy8PldUs0)
I :love: Anglicans! :lol: ;)
I am traditionally Presbyterian Protestant nut I can take Anglicans better than I can badgers. And as the starving besieged shouted back at the 1688 siege in defending the walled city of Londonderry - No Surrender. :knight:
I am traditionally Presbyterian Protestant nut
Who am I to argue.
Totally agree.
I've heard on the radio that the government has plans to create a separate 'anti-terrorist' agency - reckoning that the police should better be busy enough with other, more regular stuff.
sir , anyone that lived in UK
may i ask some question ??
i noticed in UK there are internet rules .
Cyber bullies and forum Trolls can be jailed for 2 year .
is that really existed , n/or the UK government really jails some people with that amandment?
Presumably that's all very similar to existing precedents (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/wales/1414295.stm) (more info (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_Communications_Act)), except better adapted to include new media.
I am traditionally Presbyterian Protestant nut
Who am I to argue.
You beat me to posting it. :cheers:
Nah, you wouldn't have thought of it at all Southern laddie. You would have been scrambling around trying to think of something. Glad to have been of help.
No surrender! :knight:
Australian court imposes generalized news blackout on bribery case.
In Great Britain and some of its former colonies, courts can not only ban the coverage of some events but are also entitled to dispose a general ban. That's what happened in Australia recently.
Australia bans reporting of multi-nation corruption case involving Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam
source (https://wikileaks.org/aus-suppression-order/)
No wonder that the USA is after Julian Assange, a well known leader of such a terrorist group like WikiLeaks.
If ever the hysteria of the American leaning mind was an example it is Assange and being a terrorists. Daft. Even more so considering how often America has supported terrorism when it suits. If one looks at Israel and their television coverage of recent events it is very carefully edited to push away much of the pictures of the dead civilians including children. Australia has been an independent nation for an awful long time so throwig in Gt Britain is another daftness.
Australian court imposes generalized news blackout on bribery case.
In Great Britain and some of its former colonies, courts can not only ban the coverage of some events but are also entitled to dispose a general ban. That's what happened in Australia recently.
Australia bans reporting of multi-nation corruption case involving Malaysia, Indonesia and Vietnam
source (https://wikileaks.org/aus-suppression-order/)
No wonder that the USA is after Julian Assange, a well known leader of such a terrorist group like WikiLeaks.
As I live in Australia, I have obviously never heard of these bans.
Could you give me a source?
that was Wikileaks
http://wikileaks.org/aus-suppression-order/press.html
Wow Banned Member a strike? What an interesting new activity in the world. Amazing! :faint:
why joshl get banned ?
he's annoying , but i dont think he is dawg.
As I live in Australia, I have obviously never heard of these bans.
Could you give me a source?
In Großbritannien und in einigen ehemaligen britische Kolonien könnten Gerichte nicht nur die Berichterstattung über Geschehnisse verbieten, sondern auch anordnen, dass nicht über solch ein Verbot berichtet werden darf. Zu diesen ehemaligen Kolonien gehört auch Australien.
source (http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/42/42424/1.html) - Telepolis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telepolis)
Danke
Keine Ursache! :)
Show offs.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0z5NAaIQAAUL3a.jpg)
Hah, nice.
What a surprise.....
Can I remid jax and anyone else to remember their school geography days.
This country of Great Britain is an ISLAND and when you look at in comparison with the rest of this motley, corrupt and messed up EEC a big difference. At (Senior) Secondary school the population was 48,000,000 now it is well into the 60's and we now pas the Netherlands on that score proprtionally.Every time I listen to some would-be liberal democratic mind they wax lyrical about how we have always had a welcoming immigration tradtion. Yeah but we had more room and under the last thing that passed for a government we got an increase 10 figures aloneand still getting them.
In top of living on a compact island the invasion has completely changed towns and cities like no previous modest ones. When the would be intellectuals at the same time go on about pressures on schools, colleges, utilties and welfare they suitably put aside the swamping and the effect on government expenditure.
As for the EEC it is a shambles, inefficient, controlling freak and a repeated and messed if failed economic system. It has now lasted for ages and we are doing economically better so thank heavens we kept the pound. And how does the EEC government get away with not being able to get auditors to pass the adit due to inefficiencies and less legal reasons? Any company doing that would be shut down or an idndivual country expect a determined response.
Toi try and cock a snook due to the direction of incomers another thing missed out by the nonsense is that we also get floods from countries not even in the damn Europe disaster called the EEC. When younger I voted against joining the Common Market as it was originally because I suspected it would lead to something worse and by heck it has! We didn't get asked did we just told and time to deal with that. For me no more people on this little island and get out of that EEC. It is as corrupt as Hell and the world is our oyster as we have shown. Their economies are struggling for years in Europe and now even German industry is moaning at it's government because those stupid things against Russia is effecting them. Been in 3 European countries on holiday and pleasant enough but don't want to share laws, economics (as they get messed up) just want out!
At (Senior) Secondary school the population was 48,000,000 now it is well into the 60's and we now pas the Netherlands on that score proprtionally.
We can easily check the Dutch CBS statistics online (http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?VW=T&DM=SLEN&PA=37296eng&D1=0-51,56-68&D2=0,10,20,30,40,50,%28l-1%29-l&HD=100827-1914&LA=EN&HDR=G1&STB=T), in English even. Population density can be found at the very bottom of the table. For convenience, 1950: 309, 1960: 352, 1970: 384, 1980: 415, 1990: 439, 2012: 468, 2013: 496.
The UK ONS statistics are a bit harder to find, but the census will do (http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census/2011-census/population-estimates-by-five-year-age-bands--and-household-estimates--for-local-authorities-in-the-united-kingdom/stb-population-and-household-estimates-for-the-united-kingdom-march-2011.html).
In England the average population density was 407 people per square kilometre, in Wales it was 148 people, in Northern Ireland 134 people and in Scotland 68 people per square kilometre.
This tells us that the last time Dutch population density was as low as
England's was sometime in the 1970s, contrary to some unsourced suggestions (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-505585/Its-official-England-crowded-country-Europe.html). Not to mention that England is not typically taken by itself. Did you know that the population density in Holland* is easily over 1100?
* Holland is to The Netherlands as England is to the UK.
* Holland is to The Netherlands as England is to the UK.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=157.163;msg=29151)
What else do you have at the Netherlands that is not Holland?
I always called Holland to... Holland. Sometimes we refer to the " Low Countries" but as an indistinct denomination from Holland.
Scotland seems rather empty to me.
What else do you have at the Netherlands that is not Holland?
Another 10 provinces as well as three more countries? 8)
Sometimes we refer to the " Low Countries" but as an indistinct denomination from Holland.
The Low Countries (or historical Netherlands) include the entire Benelux as well as Nord, Pas-de-Calais, Artois and Picardie north of the Somme. :P Blame the greedy French and the bloodthirsty Spanish. :devil:
Another 10 provinces as well as three more countries?
You must be joking. Countries?? 3??? don't make me laugh. :)
Holland basically is the product of those walls against the seas. If not that, you'd be smaller than Lichtenstein.
Ahh, and you can thank the Portuguese Jews we kicked out of here.
Blame the greedy French and the bloodthirsty Spanish.
That I agree, unlike them we never tried to civilize northern barbarians... a waste of time.
Britain’s most popular baby boy’s name? Muhammad (http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/01/britain-most-popular-baby-name-muhammad)
Muhammad has become the most popular name for baby boys in the UK, the website BabyCentre has revealed. While Arabic names are on the rise, TV shows such as Game Of Thrones have also inspired names for the next generation.
Yeah, I noticed this sad news and only emphasises what I say about the future here and am selfish in saying I am glad I will not be here by mid-century. By the end of it would not be surprised if they demanded a Muslim for King. Breeding like flies and as much use.
Britain’s most popular baby boy’s name? Muhammad
That appears to be questionable. This (http://www.ukbabynames.com/boys/top) gets it's info from the official UK statistics for births.
Note the last paragraph in
The Guardian article.
This article was amended on 1 December 2014 to make clear that the claim that Muhammad is the most popular name for boys is based on a survey of website users.
Official data is a completely different animal than a survey. However, claiming Muhammad is the most popular baby name in the UK will get you more clicks, despite the dubiousness of the methodology used to obtain the poor excuse for data.
Oh, so many M names for Islamic boys:
194 names begin with 'M' for Boys.
Name and Meaning
1
Ma'mun
Trustworthy, reliable
2
Ma'n
Assistance
3
Maaz
Brave Man
4
Mabad
A place of worship
5
Madani
Civilised
6
Madiyan
Name of place in Saudi Arabia
7
Madyan
Name of a holy place in Saudi Arabia where the Prophet (PBUH) used to visit
8
Mahad
Great, nice
9
Mahaz
The place of war
10
Mahbeer
Brave
11
Mahbub
Dear, Darling, Sweetheart
12
Mahd
The guided one
13
Mahdi
Rightly Guided
14
Maher
Skilled
15
Mahfuj
The Protected One, The Protector
16
Mahfuz
Preserved, safe
17
Mahja
Place to sleep, quarters, lodgings
18
Mahmud
The praised one, commendable
19
Majd
Glory, nobility
20
Majdi
Glorious, praiseworthy
21
Makhdoom
One who is served
22
Makki
Pertaining to Makkah
23
Malih
A reciter of Quran was so called
24
Malik
Master
25
Mamduh
Person commended, praised
26
Mamoon
Secure, fearless
27
Mansoor
Victorious
28
Mansur
Divinely aided, victorious
29
Manzar
View, Sight
30
Manzoor
Approve(d), Accept(ed)
31
Maqbool
Popular
32
Maqil
Intelligent
33
Marghoob
Desirable, coveted, agreeable
34
Maru'deen.
Srtong believer of the religion
35
Maruf
Known, accepted
36
Marwan
Solid
37
Marzuq
Blessed, fortunate
38
Masarrat
Happiness, delight, joy
39
Mash'al
Torch
40
Mashhood
Witness
41
Mashhud
Clear, Manifest, Witnessed
42
Mashkoor
One who is worthy of thanks, deserving, commendable
43
Masood
Blissful, fortunate, auspicious
44
Masoud
Lucky
45
Masroor
Happy person, joyfull
46
Masrur
Happy, glad
47
Masud
Fortunate, happy, lucky
48
Masum
Innocent, infallible
49
Mateen
Solid, constant, tough, substantive
50
Matloob
Objective, goal
51
Mawsil
Name of Hanafi Jurist of Iraq
52
Maymun
Fortunate, blessed
53
Maysarah
Ease, comfort
54
Mazin
Cloud that carries rain
55
Mehboob
Loveable
56
Mehtab
The Moon
57
Mekka
Name of Holy city
58
Mensur
Winner
59
Miftah
Key
60
Mika
Cool, sweet, intelligent
61
Mika'il
One of Allah's angel
62
Mimar
Mason, architect
63
Minhaj
Road, Path
64
Miraj
Ascension (to heaven)
65
Mirsab
The sword of the Prophet (S.A.W)
66
Misbah
Light, lamp
67
Miskeen
Poor
68
Mistah
Instrument to level something
69
Mo'tasim
Handsome
70
Moazzam
Respectable
71
Mobeen
Sensitive
72
Moeen ud din
Helper in the religion
73
Moeez
Respectful
74
Moemen
Believer and faithful to Allah
75
Mohammed
Name of final prophet (PBUH)
76
Mohid
The one who believes in oneness of Allah Almighty
77
Mohsin
Helper, attractive
78
Mokbul
Accept
79
Mostafa
Chosen one
80
Motaz
Proud
81
Mounir
Light, sunlight
82
Mourad
Desire
83
Mu'adh
Protected
84
Mu'afa
Name of a man who travelled extensively to find Hadith
85
Mu'alla
A judge and follower
86
Mu'allim
Teacher
87
Mu'awiyah
First Ummayad Caliph
88
Mu'awwiz
Companion who participated in the Battle of Badr
89
Mu'ayyad
Supported
90
Mu'inuddeen
The Helper of the religion
91
Muammar
Senior
92
Muammer
Senior
93
Muballigh
Preacher, one who preaches and propagates Islam
94
Mubarak
Blessed, fortunate, auspicious
95
Mubaraq
Blessing
96
Mubashir
Spreader of good news
97
Mubassir
Observer
98
Mubeen
Clear
99
Mubid
Intellectual
100
Mudabbir
One who plans
101
Mudasir
Handsome
102
Mudasser
A word in the Qur'an
103
Mueen
One who helps
104
Mueez
One who gives protection
105
Mufaddal
One who is preferred
106
Mufakkir
Thinker, one who meditates
107
Mufallah
One who prospers
108
Mufeed
(from the verb fada to overflow)
109
Mufid
Useful
110
Muflih
One who prospers
111
Mufti
Jurist
112
Mughith
Helper, succourer
113
Muhafiz
One who protects
114
Muhaimin
Supervising, guardian, protector
115
Muhajir
Immigrant
116
Muhammad
Praiseworthy - name of the LAST Prophet (A.S)
117
Muhannad
Sword
118
Muharrem
1st month of Islamic year
119
Muhdee
One who presents
120
Muheet
That which embraces all round
121
Muhib
One who loves, friend
122
Muhriz
Obtainer, winner, earner
123
Muhsin
Beneficent, charitable
124
Muhtadi
Right guided
125
Muhtashim
One has many followers
126
Muiz
The giver of might and glory
127
Mujaddid
One who renews or renovates or refreshes
128
Mujahid
A warrior
129
Mujazziz
Name of a companion
130
Mujeeb
Responder
131
Mujibur
Responsive
132
Mujtaba
The chosen one
133
Mukarram
Respected, honoured
134
Mukhlis
Sincere, pure-hearted
135
Mukhtar
Selected, authorised
136
Mukthadir
Strong, health
137
Mulayl
A companion was so named
138
Mumin
One who believes
139
Mumtaz
One who is distinguished
140
Munaf
Exalted, inconsistent with contradictory to
141
Munawwar
Enlightened, lighted
142
Muneeb
One who turns in repentance
143
Muneer
Shining
144
Munir
Moon's Light, Lamp
145
Munis
Name of a previous chief army guard
146
Munkadir
Name of an authority and ascetic of Hadith
147
Munqad
One who is led, conducted, obedient
148
Muntasir
One of the Abbasid Khalifah was known as such
149
Muntazir
The awaitting
150
Munzir
Warner
151
Muqaddas
Sacred
152
Muqatadir
Name of an Abbasid Khalifah
153
Muqbil
Following, next
154
Muqtasid
One who is economical, thrifty
155
Murabbi
Patron, Superior, guardian
156
Murad
Desire
157
Mursal
Messenger, Prophet, Ambassador
158
Murshid
Spiritual guide, instructor, mentor
159
Murtaad
Ascetical
160
Murtadaa
Chosen one
161
Murtaza
The generous, The giving
162
Musa
A Prophets name
163
Musaddiq
One who confirms or verifies another
164
Musaid
Helper
165
Museeb
Apple in persian. Also means great warrior
166
Musharraf
One who is honoured, exalted
167
Musheer
Advisor
168
Mushfiq
Friend, considerate
169
Mushir
"The one of highest rank" was used mostly in military in the past, now used to describe many things in arabic
170
Mushtaq
Ardent, Longing
171
Muslih
Reformer
172
Muslim
One who submits to Allah
173
Mussarrat
Joyful, always happy
174
Mustaeen
The chosen one
175
Mustafa
The choosen one, also one of the Prophets names
176
Mustafeed
Profiting, gainful
177
Mustahsan
Commendable
178
Mustajab
One who is heard
179
Mustakim
Straight road
180
Mustaneer
Brilliant
181
Mustaqeem
Straight
182
Mustatab
Good, Delectable
183
Mutahhir
What Purifies
184
Mutashim
Decent, honest and modest
185
Mutasim
Kept away from sin; name of Khalifah
186
Mutawassit
Moderate, average
187
Mutayyib
Fragrant
188
Muttaqi
Righteous, one who fears Allah
189
Muttee
Obedient
190
Muzaffar
Victorious
191
Muzakkir
Reminder
192
Muzammil
The wrapped one
193
Muzhir
Witnessed, name of companion
194
Muzzammil
Wrapped
[glow=black,2,300]Ebola case confirmed in Glasgow Hospital[/glow]
A healthcare worker who has just returned from West Africa has been diagnosed with Ebola and is being treated in hospital in Glasgow.
The woman, who arrived from Sierra Leone on Sunday night, is in isolation at Glasgow's Gartnavel Hospital.
All possible contacts with the case are being investigated, including on flights to Scotland via Heathrow.
The woman will be transferred to specialist high level isolation in London as soon as possible.
At a news conference in Glasgow, First Minister Nicola Sturgeon stressed that the risk to the general public was very low.
She added that the patient was thought to have had contact with only one other person since arriving in the city, but that all passengers on the flights the woman took will be traced.
Alisdair MacConachie, of NHS Greater Glasgow and Clyde, said the woman was "not showing any great clinical concern".
Nicola Sturgeon: Ebola risk 'extremely low'
NHS Scotland said infectious diseases procedures had been put into effect at the Brownlee Unit for Infectious Diseases at Gartnavel.
The patient returned to Scotland from Sierra Leone late on Sunday via Casablanca and London Heathrow, arriving into Glasgow Airport on a British Airways flight at about 23:30.
While public health experts have emphasised that the risks are negligible, a telephone helpline has been set up for anyone who was on the BA 1478 Heathrow to Glasgow flight. The number is: 08000 858531
If you carefully read the second part of that last sentence, the infection
is probably spreading as you read this being they actually don't know, or haven't been in contact with everyone who might of had contact with the disease on that flight or in either airport.
Jot down that number RJ ...... Then again, ya can hold your breath for 21 days ta be sure. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)
Frequent updates Here. (http://bit.ly/1y212yw)
Well depending on the Guardian is fine for the would-be intellectual minds and has been declining for ages.
Anyway SmileyFaze I am completely unconcerned about the matter of the Glaswegian health worker because it is not serious. In the early part of the 20th century millions died of 'Flue so a heck of a lot worse than this Ebola stuff which is over the top. And may I say too that we will not go into the panic you lot did over the pond when you had someone caught with it. Always the same with emotional panic buttons. You could learn maturity from us. 8)
:o Prince Andrew named by alleged sex-ring victim; palace 'categorically' denies claim :o
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30659735 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30659735)
It will be found to be a load of cobblers as things progress. There was a programme recently on television here of late teen American girls brought over to meet who they thought was Prince Harry. It was all a spoof but the girls were all believing the thing so says something. I also understand that a well known US lawyer involved in the claims is taking the perpetrators of the myth to court. The Prince is not directly involved in the case legally anyway and 17 is not an under age here as it happens.
Nice headline material but keech.
UK'ers are an extinct species.
Pathetic.
There's nothing to post about them, just an immense void.
Haha. I am laughing all over this keyboard. Someone from an almost bankrupt country that was only kept alive by handouts from Europe and is still in an economic mess. Considering our economy in Gt Britain is the fastest growing in Europa, employment a way up,debt decreasing projects whilst unemployment including youth is astronomical in Portugal, do get a life chum. Hah, had, ha. Hee, hee. Damn it I nearly spilled my Irn Bru tears of laughter make my night! :lol: :lol:
It was all a spoof but the girls were all believing the thing so says something.
Right. So why don't we bring some British girls over to the US to meet who they think is a cousin to the Clintons or Bushes and say that it means something that those girls are fooled :p
onsidering our economy in Gt Britain is the fastest growing in Europa,
British Growth Slows to 0.7% in Q3] (http://www.industryweek.com/global-economy/british-growth-slows-07-q3). US economy grows incredible 5% (http://money.cnn.com/2014/12/23/news/economy/us-gdp-economy-5-percent-growth/index.html). Huh, Ireland economy is easily outpacing the British one, as well (http://Ireland's economic growth slows to 3.5 percent). In fact, the Celtic Tiger is the fastest growing economy in Europe, not the UK. Stop spreading misinformation, Howie.
You are letting your inclination to irish-Americanism warp your grey cells Sanguinemoon. Ireland is not faster than Gt Britain and may I also remind you that we loaned your pals in Dublin over 7 billion to keep them afloat. As for the American dilly-dollies they are that. I noted a picture of the girl making all the hoo-ha and there she was putting her heart out. Another photograph showed her father who was mouthing off an illustration of a low grey cell redneck. Dressed in a country and western shirt and with a big cowboy hat on his head. Typical of the mentality of people preening themselves and out for money and fame. As for US growth we will wait and see although with tend of millions of poor and the rich gap getting wider by the minute (trillions clock still ticking) patience, laddie, patience.
Poor Howie. Ireland GDP growth rate 3.5 percent. (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/ireland/indicators) United Kingdom 2.6 percent (http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/indicators). Both of which are handily outpacing the rest of the Eurozone. America's for the fourth quarter 2014 was a stunning 5 percent. It's just the numbers, Howie.
Typical of the mentality of people preening themselves and out for money and fame.
Yes, because I'm 120% positive that we don't have British people that disgrace themselves for 15 minutes of fame and money that'll probably burn through in a year. :p Or German, Or Chinese. Or fucking Uzbekistan. Some people doing that is not a statement about any particular country, but a weakness within the human soul.
Tut, tut, foul language to emphasise a point is a weakness. It seems the US lawyer who was named is now taking legal action against the girl concerned and it is the rather unsavoury modern style of wanting money for just about anything. Was it McDonalds who got sued millions over too hot coffee in cartons? He was angry on television news and it will be interesting to see how her campaign compares with the one from this lawyer.
the only difference is we, unlike Royalty
I feel compelled to offer a critique. I would have said something to the effect of "....unlike a bunch of inbreds that in America would be meth-addicted trailer trash living off welfare for generations and would only get attention from police, who are tired being called to the called to their rundown mobile home twice a week..."
the only difference is we, unlike Royalty
I feel compelled to offer a critique. I would have said something to the effect of "....unlike a bunch of inbreds that in America would be meth-addicted trailer trash living off welfare for generations and would only get attention from police, who are tired being called to the called to their rundown mobile home twice a week..."
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FIAMjnkA.png&hash=75d0d7eea719091c2572795fb09fe4a5" rel="cached" data-hash="75d0d7eea719091c2572795fb09fe4a5" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.imgur.com/IAMjnkA.png)
Your critique is duly noted, & in retrospect could be substituted without undo reluctance. (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/grin.gif)
You hardly do your country much credit at all Smiley with that crude and undisciplined language. One of your semi-royal dynasties was hardly a paragon of virtue. The Kennedy lot and 3 of them in clandestine matters. For a country that ilkes to boast about how reasonable things are you are a laugh. This case which the prince is not directly involved in will be very interesting now that the le
As for the drunken clown "Bonnie" Prince Charlie he got nowhere here trying to take the Crown and in Lowland Scotland like much elsewhere was disliked. Glasgow was solidly against the creep. Anyway the prince is not involved in what passes for legal proceedings in the ex-colonies and let's see what happens now that lawyer has raised legal counter action on that daft preening lassie and her redneck money seeking father.Knowing the way your court system works it should be an enjoyable comedy show.
Party like it's 1939.
Capital in the 21st century (http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21642195-londons-population-same-size-it-was-1939-looks-very-different-capital?fsrc=scn/tw/te/ed/pe)
London’s population is the same size as it was in 1939, but looks very different
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.static-economist.com%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Fimagecache%2Foriginal-size%2Fimages%2F2015%2F02%2Farticles%2Fbody%2F20150207_brm904.png&hash=599f5fd5333902a4401c4e12bbbb2b63" rel="cached" data-hash="599f5fd5333902a4401c4e12bbbb2b63" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/2015/02/articles/body/20150207_brm904.png)
IN HIS history of 20th-century London, published in 2008, Jerry White recalls that at the start of the millennium it seemed impossible that the capital would ever grow larger than its 1939 peak of 8.6m people. That belief was widely held. But this week statisticians announced that London had managed it.
The city is far more suburban than it was in 1939 (see maps). Having cleared their Victorian slums, inner-London boroughs like Islington and Tower Hamlets are much less densely populated—though both are now growing again.
[glow=black,2,300]UK Army drive for more Muslims after Paris massacre and rise of Islamic State
[/glow]
Leaflets on British military values posted through doors of Islamic schools
Troops instructed to take part in integration projects to boost numbers
Drive comes after it emerged there are just 480 Muslims in the British army - 0.5 per cent of the 88,500 overall troops
Percentage of Muslims in the UK overall is much higher at 5%............. continued here (http://dailym.ai/1zFaZBL)
Couldn't happen to a sweeter clutch of inbreds.
If this course keeps up, soon their chickens will be coming home to roost! (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/nopeyr4.gif)
What a disastrous point, haha. So much for the wonderful American so-called principle of open society. Especially coming from a country where being black is a nuisance except por shooting practice from the police. May I also remind you that during WW2 we were fighting a racist dictatorship in Germany and your army was split by apartheid and whites didn't want to be with blacks. When stationed here the palefaces were shocked to see local lassies dancing with Negroes! Vietnamese were gooks an so on. When it came to peace projects in local S. Vietnam villages you lot were hopeless and the Australians and the Australians away ahead. The same US forces who got into the regular habit of shooting up or bombing weddings in Afghanistan. I am no lover of Islam or the modern liberal idea of proportions but it was obviously to try and integrate more into society which is a challenge in itself.
In WW1 you came in during the last months all gung-ho and of course full of enthusiasm and your generals were still sending soldiers to die in droves right up to the Armistice time. Disgusting. Oh I know you love to tease and you don't fully appreciate how childish and immature you appear with all the big type and ne-con symbolising style (actually doing large type is regarded as bad manners child).So it would mean something if it wasn't that your people in army uniform are a problem waiting to happen! Goodness we are into 2015 and the wonderful marines haven't shot up Afghan innocents. All in keeping with a so-called principled patriot who supports terrorism. So beyond the attempt at satire is a dopy style that your corener cannnot figure and other ex-colonists can groan at.
When you become a wider idea of democracy and get back a bit from being a military pariah State then you will have something principled!
[glow=black,2,300]British Army snipers fear kidnap by Jihadis in UK
after blundering MoD blows their cover[/glow]
AN elite band of snipers are being given an SAS crash course on how to escape
jihadi assassins after blundering army bosses revealed their identities online.
The sharpshooters fear their lives and those of their families are in mortal danger after defence chiefs published names and photographs of serving snipers in official reports which were uploaded to the internet.
The blunder has left the men vulnerable to reprisal attacks here in Britain because it means it is now potentially easy for home-grown Islamic extremists to track them down.
At least 50 troops from elite Parachute Regiment and Royal Marine units whose cover was blown are receiving SAS training on how to evade capture if jihadis target them at home or in the streets.
The soldiers, some whom have since left the Army, have been warned to remove their names from the electoral roll and not to carry any military identification as fears over their safety grow.
The courses at the SAS headquarters near Hereford also include briefings on cyber-security, with the snipers being shown how to thwart attempts to hack into their mobile phones, email and Facebook pages.
Ministry of Defence rules state that snipers should never be identified because jihadis consider them to be high-value targets.
Their specialist role shot to prominence last month with the release of Oscar-nominated film American Sniper, which stars Bradley Cooper as US Navy Seal Chris Kyle, who killed 160 insurgents during the Iraq war.
One former sniper whose cover was blown when MoD chiefs published a photograph of his regiment in an evaluation report expressed outrage over the blunder, which has left him fearing for his life.
The un-redacted document even featured revealing details about his military service, describing how he shot dead a Taliban fighter in Helmand province at a range of more than 1,000 yards..........continued (http://bit.ly/1vkGcos)
What a bunch of rank amateurs, but being they want Jihadists in their ranks because of Political Correctness, it's a no wonder why they are ranked 28
th in the world as an effective fighting force, down from 22
nd. :lol: :monkey: :banana:
More passingly immature stuff from a a bunch of Audie Murphy fans. Half a million men in South Vietnam and look at the farce of that long and wasted thing. You had soldiers doped up to the eyeballs with drugs, killed the innocents and of course Mai Lai was the outstanding effort. Throw in te so-called discipline breaches and even with half a million you were roundly beaten and retreated with some embarrassment including from the roof the roof of the US embassy in Saigon. You sent the marines full of go, go and with the media cameras all clicking away and the result? Had to leave again with some flees in the pants because you got slapped again. Not surprised Hitler did the Bulge he certainly picked the best way for getting to the coast until you were rescued. Your "greatest army in the world" trained that Iraqi army and they all ran away! And what do you know - storming Normal in the Gulf War said he was really pleased he had sucn an efficient and able contribution from the land of the Union Flag. In the former Yugoslavia debacle your general wanted to face the Russians and ordered us to move up and we told him rather than cause an international nonsense to do things right. Same general who later had to resign from an office as he was inwith a woman who wasn't his life.
Dare say there are some good units but here is another incident.
During the Cold War when US and British troops were along the Berlin Wall a friend of mine who was a British officer was seconded to a US Army unit in the middle of winter. In the dark and middle of the night a whole group of soldiers were moaning about how cold it was so they left the place and went back to the barracks. Later a US colonel arrived in a jeepto see how things were going and all that was there was my friend. He saluted the colonel who wanted to know where his 'damn men' were and was informed they went home due to the weather. The colonel nodded and commented they were Goddam right.
When it comes to ceremonial and these are part of every army you lot are out of kilter. You simply walk in step it isn't marching. Soldiers on duty wear sunglasses doing the ceremonial at the Washington Monument. What made me groan on You Tube was they 'walked' like women or queers. Tut, tut. Unfortunately your soliders look like civilians in a uniform trying to be martial but it doesn't come off. Even some of the small European countries can put on a better show. And anyway you lot treat a military uniform like kids. We should also to be fair recognise that you did invent general concentration camps during your civil war. Oh and what about that prison camp in Afghanistan where torture was the order of the day, violence and sexual perversion . Marine units shooting up innocent families plus the regular killing of family wedding parties.It would be more fine for you to slag off other countries if it wasn't for all this stuff.
My oh my Smiley you are embarrassing the sensible ex-colonists here and if you had not fell back on your emotional gung ho rubbish then this answer would not have been needed. So making allowance finally for the sensible I wil conclude with this. These weaknesses I mentionraise the question of the calibre of many young men who join up. Poor backgrounds and basic education and in the army will get free health and a pay coming in. No doubt those who are capable but there are those damning flaws that play havic with what you think is being patriotic but in reality what you practice is out and out silly nationalism that does your country no credit at all. You constantly create military situations and send these young men in and have been killed in droves for who/ A warped nationalism and to keep the corporate military interest filling their pockets with cash whilst all those basically decent young lads get killed. Shame on you and for them.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5P8UokgVqWs[/video]
Ah yes...he was a fine singer.
Goth sanctuary site confirmed (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/goth-sanctuary-site-confirmed-2015040797105)
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A CREPUSCULAR forest wherein echoes the melancholic song of the nightingale is to become the UK’s first goth sanctuary.
The atmospheric site near Yeovil will become home for the UK’s remaining few thousand goths, who were once plentiful in market towns. However their natural habitats of windswept seventies shopping precincts and dingy basement clubs have been increasingly eroded.
Naturalist Tom Logan said: “The introduction to Britain of the North American hipster has been a disaster for the indigenous goth.
“The hipsters’ thick plaid shirts, luxuriant facial fur and gourmet burger diet mean they are better adapted to survive the winter.
“Gradually the UK’s abandoned churches and disused brutalist office blocks have been turned into eclectically furnished tea shops and micro-breweries, leaving goths with nowhere to congregate in an ominous but polite manner. Consequently, breeding has plummeted.
“If we did not act goths would go the same way as water beetles, great bustards and jazz funkateers.”
However local resident Mary Fisher said: “It’s the thin end of the wedge. Next they’ll be wanting to reintroduce grebos into Warwickshire.”
Art for infrastructure.
Anonymous Activist Gets Potholes Fixed By Drawing Giant Penises Around Them (http://www.fastcodesign.com/3045488/slicker-city/anonymous-activist-gets-potholes-fixed-by-drawing-giant-penises-around-them)
THE CITY OF MANCHESTER CAN IGNORE ITS RESIDENTS, BUT THANKS TO WANKSY, IT CAN’T IGNORE THE ONE-EYED MONSTER.
Like many cities, Manchester, England, is plagued with potholes. One half-mile stretch of road can have as many as 70 holes. After claiming he saw his friends injured in pothole-related bike accidents, one anonymous resident has taken matters into his own hands.
He goes by Wanksy. And using what appears to be an industrial level chalk, he draws penises around the potholes, creating moments of visual terrorism that the city can’t ignore. Really. Because according to the Manchester Evening News (MEN), within 48 hours of Wanksy’s efforts, many of Manchester’s problematic potholes, which had been a nuisance for years, were filled. Within a week, even more were fixed.
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Being a former major in political science, I usually keep up with certain countries elections (my own, obviously, the UK, Canada, and Australia).
I note that there isn't a "UK General Election Thread", so I might as well post it here.
It would look as if David Cameron and the Tories will be leading the next HM's Gov't. Pending final results, the Tories ascertained 330 seats in the British Parliament, more than enough of the 323 required to form a gov't. How did this happen?
1. Labour was massacred in Luxor and Howie's Scotland, where 56 of the 59 seats went to the SNP, with only one seat remaining Labour, another remaining Tory, and IIRC, one Lib Dem seat surviving the massacre. Ed Milliband has resigned as head of Labour.
2. The Lib Dems also suffered massive losses, going from holding 53 seats to only 8. Nick Clegg has also resigned. (It would seem that the voting populace were not impressed by the Lib Dems selling out their ideals in order to stay in power with the Tories?)
3. Labour was also routed in England and Wales.
4. Nigel Farage of the UKIP has resigned after his party only ascertained one seat.
What I noted is that Scotland and Cameron's Gov't will be at odds with each other for the next 5 years. 2017 could be a breaking point for the UK, if and when the UK opts to opt out of the EU. It will take a relentless and almighty effort for Labour to recover from such an arse-whipping; 5 years may not be enough for them to recover. Same for the Lib Dems.
I'd be interested in hearing @Luxor, @rjhowie, @String, and all the other Brit's thoughts on the outcome. Also, what do you expect from Cameron's second go 'round? Finally, do you all think that the Queen will be around for the next GE, or will Charles have assumed the role of King?
In any case, good luck to you all!
[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wJPZByeP8[/video]
Well, it's time to congratulate the Scottish National Party (and the Conservatives) with SNP receiving 95% of the representatives. The joys of first past the post.
To be more specific:
Party |
% Votes |
Seats |
| |
∆% |
∆seats |
|
Proportional |
UKIP |
12.6% |
1 |
| | +9.5% |
-1 |
|
82 (+62) |
LibDem |
7.9% |
8 |
| |
-15.1% |
-49 |
|
51 (-98) |
SNP |
4.7% |
56 |
| |
+3.1% |
+50 |
|
31 (+20) |
So UKIP quadrupled their number of votes and got half the number of seats, -1-. In a pure proportional system they would have gotten 82 seats.
The Lib Dems got what they deserved after going into a coalition with the Tories.
Scottish labour got what they deserved after siding with the Tories during the referendum.
I must say I did enjoy seeing my former MP lose his seat. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/ThumbGood2.gif)
The Labour party only had a chance if they had a different leader, as Ed Milliband was never prime minister material.
what do you expect from Cameron's second go 'round?
A lot of pain for the young, the poor, the sick and the disabled. Like every time there's a Tory government. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/angrysmiley.gif)
First past the post is not good enough though, not for a true democracy, that needs changed. We had a referendum on it during the last parliament but it was defeated, so I doubt it will change any time soon. At least here in Scotland when it comes to electing our parliament we have a fairer voting system in place,
Firstly i have fully answerd Colonel Rebel's query on the General Election so all can have a look there. Yes the SNP did well on MP's but in the end it doesn't matter because the wining party has an overall majority. Luxor bemoans that every time there is a Tory government he comes up with the usual lefty brained stuff which is head shaking.
As I pointed out in the other thread the SNP went into a coalition here in Glasgow years ago with guess who - the Tories as the Conservatives were 2nd and in going along with them the SNP reckoned Labour could be kept out and was. In the last Scottish parliament the SNP met with the Scots Tories to get agreements on issues to get them through as they did not have an overall majority. Yet one of thei new MP's described his consitutnts in Edinburgh in a derogatory way. Pensioners were more or less doo-la and anyone not supporting the tartan lot were traitors and quislings. Found all this amusing when the terrible Tories up here polled 30,000 more than last time and well over 400,000. Heavens what a lot of traitors we have!
In the last 5 years the debt has been reduced by the Coalition, unemployment is vastly up and better than anywhere else in Europe. Tax does not start now until you have at least £10,500 and will go up to £12,500 gradually. Benefit payments are generally good and the word "poor" is a misnomer. I worked in my job and did deep voluntary work in a large housing scheme. It had a private taxi firm that did great business and there was also a permanent line of black hackney cabs (lot dearer). The main group of shops has a heavily supported pub and 2 betting shops. It was amongst the first areas years ago to have cable tv and now when you walk around you see satellite aerials on houses all over the place. Welfare IS important but for too many it gradually became an alternative to work and don't tell me over 2 million on Sickness Benefit should not be challenged.
The Nats leaned left cleverly to undermine Labour and the silliness of Salmond saying tat Cameron has no right to "rule" Scotland. That comes from the anger at losing the Referendum. Now Sturgeon is saying one thing about their Westminster involvement and he is the usual ignorant, oaf. In the end they will not have the dance all to themselves as Cameron has a majority and that will frustrate but such is democracy! (for more detail see my reply elsewhere!)
I do enjoy watching the great unwashed frolic… :) RJ. your politics is as incomprehensible to me as ours is to you.
Luxor bemoans that every time there is a Tory government he comes up with the usual lefty brained stuff which is head shaking.
You come out with the usual right-wing, Daily Mail reader claptrap which is equally head shaking. I'm beginning to doubt your credentials as a Glaswegian, as it sounds more like you live in some faraway fantasy land.
I'm beginning to doubt your credentials as a Glaswegian
He's a closet Edinburgher.
He's a closet Edinburgher.
They wouldn't have him. ;)
The usual limited brain span from the Luxor mindset. It is the usual lefty argument to fall back on the Daily mail stupidity. At the same time you use a completely ridiculous attitude from your corner on those who are not in your tartan shortbread camp and constantly sneer, abuse and act as if opposition and especially Tory corners are to the point of being ridiculous. Salmond spat out near hate in that direction and constantly abused them. As i pointed out the hypocrisy is astounding,. How do you explain in th last Scots parliament when you did not have a clear majority your Scottish Nose Pickers repeatedly met the Scoits conservatives to get things through the parliament? And that years ago you became the junior partner in a Glasgow Council regime with the Conservatives.
All those crowds who flocked to join after the Referendum have shown to be more crude, obnoxious and need of control. And that Edinburgh MP who slated old people and described non-Nationalists as quislings. That makes half the voters traitors so wow what a lot of quislings! And your favourite hates the Scots Tories who polled over 430,000 votes (as shown an increase) even more emphasises your closed mind. Your ot like the other parties accepted the Smith report and now think you can demand even more. Well you can misuse your Smith agreement but Scotland will still get wider devolution and you can mumph and moan as much as you like. In practicality you got almost all the seats with 50% of the votes and the Tories got a high vote but 1 MP. I don't see them pushing for a change in the first past the post system and show a bit more decency than your emotional midden propaganda.
You will get 2 chances at the weekly PM Question time and a chance to sit on Committees and that is democracy but that is all and you will find that the government still has a majority and will do as it wants and leave your ot of Briagadoons to fume and gnash their teeth. As for the guff abot the Daily Mail with it's high circulation (frustrating eh?) the @National' has gradually declined and that is good news. You can make wide scoffs but you replaced the Scots labour Party by adopting much of their stance as well as leaning left. You would be just as bad as Labour getting a chance to borrow so those Scots who want to be welfare orientated and don't care a damn where the money comes from wil be happy.
When I challenged those two numpties outside my polling station they were a bit at a loss on economics,and the whole world of finance, etc. They were both ex-Labour and that only made their lack even more pronounced! When you folk cannot face an issue properly you fall back on the anti-Mail thinking and be wee Salmondites. You might well be a generally reasonable person in daily matters but Salmond is an arrogant, full of himself and obnoxious twit.At the same time, Sturgeon has been a bit more cautious of recent so maybe someone should get that crude foll a cover for his mouth. And as for making a revolutionary change at Westminster? Son you have nae chance. You can say democracy proved itslef north of the Border but it did so south of it and teeth will be gnashed. :D
Here's a few tips to brush up on your attempt at a Glaswegian brogue:
1
Familiarize yourself with Scottish slang and vocabulary. Always use the word "wee" when describing something small or young. "Aye," "bonny" and "lassie" are also commonly used and makes your accent seem authentic. Pick up a book of words that are distinctive to the Scottish dialect.
2
Learn to roll your Rs. Scots are the only English speakers to employ the rolled R sound and do it regularly, particularly following the letters D, G and T.
3
Pay attention to your vowels. Analyses have shown that Scottish English speakers use five fewer vowel sounds than any other English speakers. Use the shortened version of vowels. The words "cot" and "caught" should sound the same. Pronounce E as though it has been cut off in the middle, creating an "eh" sound. Use only one form of the letter I, so everything rhymes with "might."
4
Collapse words into as few syllables as possible and drop the G from words ending in "-ing." Replace "not" with "nee." When you are speaking with a Scottish accent, tell someone that you "didnee do anythin' in Ednbrah" instead of saying you "didn't do anything in Edinburgh."
5
Listen to Scottish accents. Watch Scottish films like "Trainspotting" or films that prominently feature Scottish actors using their native accent. Sean Connery, Ewan McGregor, Billy Boyd and John Hannah are distinctly Scottish.
All those crowds who flocked to join after the Referendum have shown to be more crude, obnoxious and need of control.
Like the britnats you mean. Now they are more crude, obnoxious and in need of control. Check them out on twitter, they are easy to find as their user name usually has something to do with rfc. king billy, or no surrender.
And that Edinburgh MP who slated old people and described non-Nationalists as quislings.
He didn't. go and check the facts. (hint you won't find them in the unionist press) Easily found on-line though, without much searching. His quislings tweet was about a spoof article on the spoof web site bbc.scotlandshire (http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/). Heck I'll save you the bother of searching. Here's his tweet.
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And here's the spoof article. Prizewinners celebrate success at this years Scottish Quisling awards (http://bbc.scotlandshire.co.uk/index.php/city-news/53-quislings.html)
His old people tweet was in response to a vile twitter user with rfc in his name.
As for the guff abot the Daily Mail with it's high circulation (frustrating eh?)
Frustrating? No. In these days of austerity people have to save money and the daily mail is cheaper than loo roll. Wouldn't even use it to wipe my arse though.
Salmond is an arrogant, full of himself and obnoxious twit.
People in glass houses etc...
didnee
That should be didnae. :P
I don't do those things on my own...I just steal text, and everything else, from others. Hoots mon, I'm an American.
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To be more specific:
Party |
% Votes |
Seats |
| |
∆% |
∆seats |
|
Proportional |
UKIP |
12.6% |
1 |
| | +9.5% |
-1 |
|
82 (+62) |
LibDem |
7.9% |
8 |
| |
-15.1% |
-49 |
|
51 (-98) |
SNP |
4.7% |
56 |
| |
+3.1% |
+50 |
|
31 (+20) |
So UKIP quadrupled their number of votes and got half the number of seats, -1-. In a pure proportional system they would have gotten 82 seats.
I don't understand your 82 seat number. The UK Government has just 550 seats (*). In a proportional system, because of their smaller population compared with the UK, the Scots would have about 8% of that in total, divided proportionately between the different parties there. Of the total electorate the SNP share on that basis was about 35%. How that adds up to seats would depend on how people voted in a PR context, but it would not be 82 seats whicheverwhichway one looks at it.
(*) a too high number in the view of some, including the current UK Government.
I give up. Somebody explain the British electoral system to me.
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To be more specific:
Party |
% Votes |
Seats |
| |
∆% |
∆seats |
|
Proportional |
UKIP |
12.6% |
1 |
| | +9.5% |
-1 |
|
82 (+62) |
LibDem |
7.9% |
8 |
| |
-15.1% |
-49 |
|
51 (-98) |
SNP |
4.7% |
56 |
| |
+3.1% |
+50 |
|
31 (+20) |
So UKIP quadrupled their number of votes and got half the number of seats, -1-. In a pure proportional system they would have gotten 82 seats.
I don't understand your 82 seat number. The UK Government has just 550 seats (*). In a proportional system, because of their smaller population compared with the UK, the Scots would have about 8% of that in total, divided proportionately between the different parties there. Of the total electorate the SNP share on that basis was about 35%. How that adds up to seats would depend on how people voted in a PR context, but it would not be 82 seats whicheverwhichway one looks at it.
(*) a too high number in the view of some, including the current UK Government.
650 according to BBC and Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Commons_of_the_United_Kingdom). Yes, I thought that was excessive. The pure proportional was just a quick multiplication of voter percentage rounded off to nearest representative. In reality it would be slightly more complicated than that, never mind that no assembly uses pure proportionality, it is less practical than the impure varieties. Still good enough for comparison.
It wouldn't lead to the situation like here where one party (SNP) harvesting roughly a third of the total votes of the other (UKIP) end up with 56 times the number of representatives.
The next few weeks (let's say 100 days) will prove interesting in the UK because a lot of changes are going to be implemented, not least those involving Scotland. There are 3 main areas:
1 A New devolution deal for Scotland
2 Election Boundary Changes (although this is not Scottish specific)
3 Change of voting rules for MPs such that only English MPs vote for things which are specific to England, mirroring those powers which have been evolved to England (parallel stuff there also for Welsh & N.Irish MPs)
The 1st Item is very controversial. Following the Scottish Referendum there was a special Commission (the Smith Commission) which obtained the opinions of all the protagonists in the Scottish referendum to define further powers that could be devolved to Scotland). The results of that were promised to be delivered soon after the start of the current Parliament. So it is not surprising that the Conservatives will be giving the main points of their Bill to enact this new arrangement in the Queens Speech which is the way things are kicked off. The Queens speech is debated by Parliament and is expected to be passed through the House of Commons.
The Bill will follow very shortly afterwards.
An interesting thing about that is since the Referendum, the SNP has continually since then complained that the proposed powers were not sufficient and have asked for what they call FFA (Full Fiscal Authority) which basically means that ALL income derived from Scottish Sources remains in Scotland and all control of financial "levers" as they call it also. Things like defense and foreign policy would remain at Westminster, paid for by donations from Scotland's budget as the Scottish devolved Parliament saw fit.
Read that carefully and imagine this applied to California.
The trouble is that if that were true then Scotland would start immediately with a budget deficit of something like 15b£ (lack of English subsidies and Scotland's share of the Debt interest payments) plus the cost of deficit reduction. In other words they would be broke. So the SNP has withdrawn from that position and want to be funded (i.e.subsidised) for some years until they can achieve self sufficiency.
In the Smith Commission FFA was originally to be discussed but was withdrawn at the request of the SNP.
Now the original concept of the SNP was to first discuss what should be in the Devolution Package until it reached the scope that they want, in the meantime applying pressure against what they hoped would be a minority Labour Government by not supporting Labour Bills unless or until they got their way.
That ruse was rumbled by the UK electorate and the Tories got in with a working majority. People did not want a chaotic Government. That was interpreted by the SNP as being anti-Scottish, but it was not, although it was certainly not SNP friendly.
So, taking the attitude that the Smith Commission had encapsulated an agreed set of measures (as it was by all participants including the SNP) so that all views that the participants wanted to be discussed had been discussed, the Government will be implementing the Smith proposals. There is still room for amendments but it is not in the power of the SNP to block these as it might have been had their planning worked out. There will be pluses and minuses but nothing major I suspect unless the Government wants it.
So it will be interesting to see how the arguments work out. There will be a lot of charges about the wicked Tories betraying the Scots but I think the SNP have a mountain to climb to make such charges stick in Scotland. The Devolution Proposals are far reaching and wont be sniffed at my most Scots when the issues come out during the debates in the Commons.
This post is already long so I won't drone on about the other issues, at least not at the moment.
@Jax - sorry - yes you are right -- 650 -- a slip of the finger I'm afraid.
Knowing as little as I do about what's going on, I find all of this baffling. My guess from what happened in the devolution vote is that the SNP will end up with nothing that it wants.
And now I've found something else that adds to my confusion.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/12/english-cities-devolution-manchester (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/may/12/english-cities-devolution-manchester)
There are some "localists" that want to split up the country into regions with devolved powers. It was an idea that got soundly thrashed in a referendum. It's a but daft in my opinion and would only lead to yet more yacking by a new layer of self important politicians all squeaking for money by whatever local tribe is involved.
The UK is a small country and in US terms, everything is so close it is essentially local.To justify a call for local autonomous regions differences have to be invented and the tribe announced with a sense of faux-uniqueness. Daft IMHO.
I knew about the SNP and the failure of the vote, but this stuff about cities is a new one.
There's a group in Texas that's blathering on about seceding from the union. Sadly, that's not going anywhere.
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With a gun like that you wouldn't have to shoot anyone, you would just poke them in the eye!
@Luxor @rjhowie @String
Thank you all for your responses. All were very informative (and some quite entertaining!).
The earlier comment from Luxor about "people in glass houses" as an answer to the charge against Salmond is really silly. None of us here are important politicians on this forum or in the news regularly so kind of pointless answer. Salmond IS in the public eye and is arrogant, sneering and full of himself. Sturgeon who was dying to be leader obviously knew she had to follow a different tack and she did.
Now the Nats contingent is there for all the Scots and that has an amusing twist to it. Labour and the SNP have been nasty to each other for ages. The Conservatives although not in your face like Labour v SNP have been called all sorts of things and of course the Liberal Democrats dismissed. All those who more recently flocked to the Brigadoons have a very considerable antagonism and they do have themselves in the front position when it comes to disgusting and bad words on the net and social sites. The SNP may say that such behaviour is not part of their constituency but at the same time are in their corner and many have memberships.
I did smile at the Daily Mail stuff here and maybe it is a niggle by the Brigadoons that it does an awful lot better than what passes for that National newspaper which has heavily declined. Hey, maybe they could secretly get some ideas from the DM?!
It seems the former National Party leader Mr. Salmond, and the First Minister Mr. Sturgeon are looking on while Mr. Grayling, M.P. oversees changes to Scotland's government.
What a fine kettle of fish.
Rubbish as usual from your understandably warped grey cells. As for the SNP an interesting corner to note.
There are 4.2 million registered voters and the Nats took 1,454,436 votes and in turn smaller than the situation at the Referendum! They think they have a God given right to speak for Scotland but practical numbers say something else but with 38% of voters they got 95% of seats (!). As I pointed out unlike the childish tt92 brain limit the SNP agreed with the Smith condition along with the other parties so have no right to claim for more powers nor do they speak for all Scots. They can huff and puff at Westminster and the government will grants wide powers but if they don't like the result then they can get stuffed as they cannot do damn all.
I detailed the two-faced attitude and the hard facts but like emotional Nats, tt92 does not want that and instead skip the truth.
There are 4.2 million registered voters and the Nats took 1,454,436 votes and in turn smaller than the situation at the Referendum! They think they have a God given right to speak for Scotland but practical numbers say something else but with 38% of voters they got 95% of seats (!).
Mayhaps, something is
wrong with Scottish
democracy…? :)
Well you should be an expert on democracy Oakdale due to it not working wher you live.
And it works there because the right people are in charge.
Adding up the amount of #Millionaires in both the House of Commons & the House of Lords - in TOTAL nearly 80% are MILLIONAIRES.
Currently 75% of 'Government Cabinet Ministers' - within parliament are Millionaires. Those that sit in the House of Commons & the House of Lords are Members of Parliament - The figures If you include both Houses TOTAL - members 1462 (650 MPs + 812 House Lords).
In TOTAL nearly 80% are MILLIONAIRES.
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There are 4.2 million registered voters and the Nats took 1,454,436 votes and in turn smaller than the situation at the Referendum! They think they have a God given right to speak for Scotland but practical numbers say something else but with 38% of voters they got 95% of seats (!).
Mayhaps, something is wrong with Scottish democracy…? :)
That would be the system the US democracy inherited.
To be more specific:
Party |
% Votes |
Seats |
| |
∆% |
∆seats |
|
Proportional |
UKIP |
12.6% |
1 |
| | +9.5% |
-1 |
|
82 (+62) |
LibDem |
7.9% |
8 |
| |
-15.1% |
-49 |
|
51 (-98) |
SNP |
4.7% |
56 |
| |
+3.1% |
+50 |
|
31 (+20) |
So UKIP quadrupled their number of votes and got half the number of seats, -1-. In a pure proportional system they would have gotten 82 seats.
What we see is what happens when First Past The Post meets multiple parties. In Scotland Labour have been stronger than Conservatives, so the latter only got a few seats. Last election LibDem grew on dissatisfaction with the two existing ones (Labour, Conservative). That's not stable, unless LibDem could supplant either of these as the Second Party, which is not going to happen, or election system reform, that didn't happen. In Scotland SNP did not only become party #2, but party #1. In the rest of the country it was a battle of five armies to get first past the post, so the smaller parties LibDem, UKIP, Green dropped off the map.
The suggestion that the House of Commons has 80% of MP's being millionaires is really stretching it. Having said that George Galloway that loud mouth and pain on the neck was the MP woith the second highest annual income in the Commons and he was a fanatical Socialist. It was good to see him losing his seat. There are lots of Tories and Labour MP's who are not millionaires and thrown in the 56 SNP members the Ulster MP and Wales MP's which makes the suggestion ludicrous. When you consider the Labour and SNP sides alone that figure is even more daft as they together ere massive part of the Commons.
Anyway, now we have a direct government and I have to say that I was generally content income-wise, etc during the Coalition but happier the way things went at the General Election. Our parliament is far wider than what passes for one in the ex-colonies and caters for the population more generally.
Anyway, now we have a direct government and I have to say that I was generally content income-wise, etc during the Coalition but happier the way things went at the General Election. Our parliament is far wider than what passes for one in the ex-colonies and caters for the population more generally.
They give you tea and biscuits? (No. Of course not. Forgive me… Cheese sandwiches of course, and -say- what do they give you to drink? You're a teetotaler yourself, so ask around, if you would? I'd like to know.)
Yes, I agree:
You should cap their incomes — and perhaps impose measurement-appropriate circumcision! :)
Don't know, that the gluteus maximus is that important. But you could certainly model the perfect ass!
Oh, wait! That's a euphemism… My bad! Some people might not understand.
I know folk who don't understand. Some 300 million of them!
Of course, Howie, you resent our fertility! :) But keep importing your ex-colonials and you'll catch up… To your detriment, surely. You won't care, yourself: You'll be dead, and what the heck does anything matter, then, eh?
When there's no England there will be no Scotland either, you know?!
As usual you ignore the way; things are going regarding blacks, Hispanics and more in nutjobland. When you say the widespread lack of democracy, social meltdown and such you take the biscuit.
As usual you ignore the way; things are going regarding blacks, Hispanics and more in nutjobland. When you say the widespread lack of democracy, social meltdown and such you take the biscuit.
Biscuits as in the kind we eat in the US, or your lot's biscuits?
As usual you ignore the way; things are going regarding blacks, Hispanics and more in nutjobland.
Democratic administrations -nowadays, mostly black- are killing their inner cities; and allowing the brutalization of their populations… The rate of black-on-black homicide hasn't yet caught up with their abortion rate; but its getting there. (Politics or culture? You tell me…)
The proportion of our population that is called Hispanic is somewhat larger, I think. East Boston, where I spent my childhood, was 90% Italian… I checked about 15 years ago: They're biggest problems were MS-13 and bilingual-education.
Our "nutjob-ness" comes from GB and European multiculturalism, etc. — except for our gun-craziness, I'll grant. (We pretty much invented that… :) )
Are Italians "classed" as Hispanic?
Are Italians "classed" as Hispanic?
Nope: The Italians moved out and the Hispanics moved in… (After my time, and I haven't been back.)
Here in California the situation is quite different. The Hispanics were the first settlers; and they remain a large proportion of the population.
We don't consider them so in Tennessee, but we do see Scots as Hispanic.
For instance, this man is doing the Scottish Flamenco.
That black thing isn't what you think it is.
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It's a foot.
Trust me.
Now how bonkers is that rubbish Oakdale that you got the incomer thing from us. Being neither Hispanic nor coloured do what most Yanks don't do and look at a map! Plus you have been away for over two centuries s(thank goodness looking at the me4s) you are telling me you still aren't mature enough to sort things out for yourselves. Kind of walked into a corner - what a hoot!
Now how bonkers is that rubbish Oakdale that you got the incomer thing from us.
I've been reading about your
Paki problems for decades,
RJ. Have they
gone away?
And would you talk about your Trinidadians…? (Like I said some time ago: Get back to me when the Queen of England -that would be your country, too, you know?- is black or brown… You and
your democracy are worth a pfennig.)
Princess Sophie Charlotte was born on this date in 1744. She was the first Black Queen of England.
Charlotte was the eighth child of the Prince of Mirow, Germany, Charles Louis Frederick, and his wife, Elisabeth Albertina of Saxe-Hildburghausen. In 1752, when she was eight years old, Sophie Charlotte's father died. As princess of Mecklenburg-Strelitz, Sophie Charlotte was descended directly from an African branch of the Portuguese Royal House, Margarita de Castro y Sousa. Six different lines can be traced from Princess Sophie Charlotte back to Margarita de Castro y Sousa. She married George III of England on September 8, 1761, at the Chapel Royal in St James’s Palace, London, at the age of 17 years of age becoming the Queen of England and Ireland.
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This one runs counter to everything I understand about the UK. Obviously, I don't understand much about the UK.
The government's remaining 30% stake in the Royal Mail is to be sold and £3bn cut from government spending this year, George Osborne has said.
The chancellor said the Royal Mail shares - currently valued at £1.5bn - would be sold when ministers could be sure they would get value for money.
The £3bn in cuts come ahead of further reductions to be announced in July.
Labour accused Mr Osborne of "ripping up" his long term economic plan by springing the announcement on MPs.
The SNP said the move "poses real danger to the postal service and, in particular, the universal service obligation which is of huge importance to Scotland".
was descended directly from an African branch of the Portuguese Royal House,
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Stupidity has no limits. It seems particularly florescent at the New World.
So… Apparently, Belfrager. you do have at least one racist bone in your body! :) Pathetic — you know?
The Labour Party when in power tried to sell the Royal Mail but their paymasters the Unions stopped them. As for the SNP that crowd of motional dimwits treat just about everything as damaging Scotland. Have no problem with the principle of Unions but was more than happy that M. Thatcher forced the cancellation of public employees having to be in a Union. And anyway whether a public or private employee you could legally opt out of the political levy to the Labour lot and I did that right away. Labour lost the plot and are an expensive crowd of people as it was them that created financial mayhem. They lost the General election by a very obvious direction and even more so this time.
Breaking from the United Queendom: Queen Elizabrth has died while Queen Elizabeth is apparently in fine form.
Just in passing where does the head of the ex-Portuguese Royal Family living these days.
Just in passing, what has that to do with this thread?
Just in passing, what has that to do with this thread?
Could be everything, depending on where they are. ;)
was descended directly from an African branch of the Portuguese Royal House,
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Stupidity has no limits. It seems particularly florescent at the New World.
I'm only a humble reporter, Mr. Belfrager.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/12/race-monarchy (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/12/race-monarchy)
BTW, stupidity is universal.
“Portugal is the only country in the world where a man’s mistress is uglier than his wife”
Just in passing where does the head of the ex-Portuguese Royal Family living these days.
http://elpais.com/m/elpais/2013/01/24/inenglish/1359033031_328531.html?rel=rosEP (http://elpais.com/m/elpais/2013/01/24/inenglish/1359033031_328531.html?rel=rosEP)
It's been reported that they live at the below.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Premier-Inn-Glasgow-City-Centre-Buchanan-Galleries/456568107709778 (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Premier-Inn-Glasgow-City-Centre-Buchanan-Galleries/456568107709778)
For your dumbness tt92 I would (sigh) remind you that every thread eventually morphs and anyway the monarchical thing WAS mentioned in this thread. o that Belfrager would have been happy if the Monarchy having been a long institution had not been shoved out by political controller mentalities.
BTW, stupidity is universal.
“Portugal is the only country in the world where a man’s mistress is uglier than his wife”
Says the ones that get laid with men...
Yeah, stupidity is not universal, I was wrong, it concentrates chez vous.
“Portugal is the only country in the world where a man’s mistress is uglier than his wife”
For sure not the only country in the world. Happens elsewhere too.
What about the Prince (http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/106/590x/prince-charles-busiest-ro-451533.jpg) whos mistress was uglier than his wife?
Have you looked at the man's wife! At any rate....
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Just in passing where does the head of the ex-Portuguese Royal Family living these days.
Rumor has it that they are camped out in a Scottish city (quite large) starting with a capital "E"; it (the city) is also known to be in a constant rivalry with some "Stone City" where haggis is served at every meal and a member of the Orange Order keeps Diet Irn Bru in business by himself. :left: :yikes: :cheers:
As you are so confident jimbro by all means pout your missus up here boy......
You may have a point there Colonel. Two Saturdays ago the Orange Order took over the city's famous and central George Square outside the outstanding City Chambers for a day long OrangeFest. Due to thew occasional wind and rain some things could not be oput up and inside the ringed off area and open for all only 2,000 be inside at any one time. The secruity people counted the visitors which came to 10,100 (would have been even more but for the weather). I was on the committee that planned it and amongst the guest were the Irish Government Consul to Scotland and the RC Church (!). The Archbishop was going to be in Spain but wrote back perosnally thanking for the invitation but would send 2 ladies as representatives.At the end the 2 women were gob-smacked and enjoyed the day and so too did the Dublin ma. One of the speakers in a marquee for a series of them was Ruth Dudley Edwards. From an RC background she wrote a book on the Order in Ireland (lodges both sides of the Border). Just a pity Belfrager is so far away!
Of course I would have looked after the Head of the Portugal Royal Family and like most who meet me never forget me......
No Surrender!
[glow=black,2,300]Muslims must stop “quietly condoning” the Islamic State[/glow]
Cameron’s position is completely and utterly incoherent. His government has moved to demonize and destroy all resistance to Islamization — an act predicated on the idea that the overwhelming majority of Muslims in Britain are peaceful, loyal citizens who accept secular rule, want it for their children, and are happy to take their place as one element of Britain’s gorgeous multicultural mosaic, and thus that any opposition to the massive immigration of Muslims into Britain and the rapid growth of Britain’s Muslim population was necessarily predicated on “racism” and “bigotry,” and not on any legitimate concern for the future of republican rule and free society.
Yet now he is saying that Muslim communities have to stop “quietly condoning” the Islamic State, which assumes, quite obviously correctly given the number of Muslims from Britain who have joined or tried to join the Islamic State, that there is broad support for it within the Muslim community........continued (http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/06/uks-cameron-muslims-must-stop-quietly-condoning-the-islamic-state)
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Age Honored Traditional British Hypocrisy or What?What's your take?
Cameron is very right and there is NOT enough coming from the Islam community. Instead they blame the government, the police or foreign plicy. The damn religion is not democratically leaning in it's whole existence nor thinking.
And touching on hypocrisy dear readers we get an insertion from Smiley on whisper it...hypocrisy. King of laughable as he supports the murderous Sinn Fein louts who are openly Socialist and neo-Marxist. You couldn't make him up.
The damn religion is not democratically leaning in it's whole existence nor thinking.
Name a religion that's about democracy.
Presbyterianism. Oh and the Scottish Baptist Union where their churches decide things every 3 months locally, Congregationalst are the obvious ones.
Decide in what sense?
I know that you're a Presbyterian. Do you vote on issues that are of interest to your community? Or do you participate in elections that select decision-making representatives?
Interesting your are making that query. You should look in the US political mirror and scratch your head.
Interesting your are making that query. You should look in the US political mirror and scratch your head.
What a magnificent dodge here (and I don't mean the vehicle manufacturer either). :eek:
I break away from my glass of Irn Bru to give a smile. If there is anything that is so utterly ludicrous it is an American on these threads accusing someone else of dodging issues. When all the usual hypocrisy stuff that comes from the land of the free and home of the brave time after time one gets no answer. No matter how the negatives contradict the chest beating and flag waving. Instead we will get some satirical dance or ignore it. My compliments to you boy for conforming to ex-colonial stereotyping. A1. Maybe what passes for a government over there and it's concerns on the educational system can be eradicated. Well done.
And touching on hypocrisy dear readers we get an insertion from Smiley on whisper it...hypocrisy. King of laughable as he supports the murderous Sinn Fein louts who are openly Socialist and neo-Marxist. You couldn't make him up.
Your lot made them, you deal with them!
Or blame it on the English… I'n't that what you usually do? :(
Do I detect a tad of nation bashing on both sides of the pond?
No we did not create them Oaky but it was an awful lot of you Yanks who pumped vast amounts of money into Sinn Fein and the Prov. IRA murderous creeps. You are good for one thing Oaky and that is ignorance!
I am quite happy living in a democracy whereas you are unfortunately not. Wall Street and the Pentagon rule and elections a waste of time for the ordinary working bloke. You learned nothing from that Revolution (started by 18th century posh and monied corporates). Always good for a laugh!
Nah, jimbro.
I am quite happy living in a democracy whereas you are unfortunately not. Wall Street and the Pentagon rule and elections a waste of time for the ordinary working bloke. You learned nothing from that Revolution (started by 18th century posh and monied corporates). Always good for a laugh!
What about us ordinary working
chaps?
Chaps, mind you, not chavs. :devil:
Nah, jimbro.
Don't knock it. The punctuation is acceptable.
I am quite happy living in a democracy whereas you are unfortunately not. Wall Street and the Pentagon rule and elections a waste of time for the ordinary working bloke. You learned nothing from that Revolution (started by 18th century posh and monied corporates). Always good for a laugh!
What about us ordinary working chaps?
Chaps, mind you, not chavs. :devil:
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I think I'd let her ride me without chaps… (And, although the photo didn't show… Without spurs!)
She needs a whip.
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What's going on in the UK and Crown Dependencies
Always the same shit that has ever gone.
One can believe almost anything…
'80s file shows plan for Hong Kong 'plantation' in NIreland
Jul 2, 7:06 PM (ET)
By SYLVIA HUI
LONDON (AP) — A bizarre plan to relocate the entire population of Hong Kong to Northern Ireland was considered an option in the uncertain years before Britain handed back the former British colony to Chinese rule, formerly classified government files showed.
Britain's National Archives on Friday released a 1983 government file called "Replantation of Northern Ireland from Hong Kong," which showed British officials discussing a far-fetched proposal to settle 5.5 million Hong Kong people in a newly built "city state" between Coleraine and Londonderry.
George Fergusson, an official at the Northern Ireland office, was inspired by a university lecturer's proposal to "transplant" Hong Kong to Northern Ireland — a move that would supposedly revitalize the local economy as well as save Hong Kong, which the lecturer believed had "no future on its present site."
"At this stage we see real advantages in taking the proposal seriously," Fergusson wrote in a memo to a colleague in the Foreign Office.
While it wasn't clear if Fergusson was writing tongue-in-cheek, the droll reply he received showed that it wasn't taken seriously.
"My initial reaction ... is that the proposal could be useful to the extent that the arrival of 5.5 million Chinese in Northern Ireland may induce the indigenous peoples to forsake their homeland for a future elsewhere," quipped David Snoxell at the Republic of Ireland Department. "We should not underestimate the danger of this taking the form of a mass exodus of boat refugees in the direction of South East Asia."
An official scribbled in the margins: "My mind will be boggling for the rest of the day."
Though outlandish, the idea illustrated anxieties at the time about the future of Hong Kong. Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher began talks with China on the topic in 1982. Two years later, the two sides agreed that the city would return to Chinese rule in 1997.
(source (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150702/eu--britain-hong_kong-3cc14a6d8e.html))
“Draft Communications Data Bill” aka Snooper’s Charter
In our country, do we want to allow a means of communication between people which we cannot read?
My answer to that question is: ‘No, we must not’.
– David Cameron
If he would be alive not even one like Joseph Stalin could have said it better.
According to The Economist Quality of Death index (http://www.economistinsights.com/healthcare/analysis/quality-death-index-2015) in Britain it's best to die.
On the other hand, if you happen to be in Iraq then you're better off staying alive, if you can.
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Now jimbro. What would you do if that woman came at you with a whip?
David Cameron has decided to leave the British dependency, The Falkland Islands without Royal Navy protection for the first time since 1982.
Wise move or no, @String, @Luxor, @rjhowie?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/falklands-islands-left-with-no-royal-navy-warship-protection-for-first-time-since-1982-conflict-a6964491.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/falklands-islands-left-with-no-royal-navy-warship-protection-for-first-time-since-1982-conflict-a6964491.html)
Nothing more than a penguin colony, :pingu: :pingu: :pingu: :pingu: :pingu: :pingu:
So I couldn't care less about them.
Typical Brigadoon comment. Virtually 100% in a referendum there wanted to stay linked with us so Colonel you can understand Luxor's kilted, shortbread mindset. If they all waved the saltire his lot have stolen he would be like someone on the road to Damascus in biblical times .Kind of illustrates a warped view of democracy or rights.
As for the naval thing I do not think that the Falklands are under any threat and the reason why the Argies moan is that they smell oil. Oops, I should not have mentioned oil as the Luxor minds have seen North Sea oil get catastrophic! :lol:
Typical Brigadoon comment.
Says the clown who still thinks king billy has any relevance in the 21st century.
You probably didn't even know where the Falklands were before Thatcher got in a tizzy about them.
Oh but i did, I did. I would remind your narrow outlook mind that it was King Billy who brought in the Bill of Rights that was the basis for the journey to modern democracy. It is a bit amusing that a separatist forgets that Wallace and Bruce are even further back and didn't do what the Glorious Revolution man did (even though I thought the Bannockburn win was outstanding in itself). Your mindset people all act like robots and unlike other political parties do not tend to have rebels.
When you get back to primary school do take your time and learn. Meantime I can let you know in advance that Brigadoon did not exist so don't cry.
Meantime I can let you know in advance that Brigadoon did not exist so don't cry.
It seems to exist quite fine in that small mind of yours. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/253164678/Yes.gif)
Well by all means try and be pompous and sniffingly above it all but it does not work. I happened to watch David Starkey the historian doing his hour long programme on the Monarchy and he did it all on Monday night the Glorious Revolution and the welcome change in authority with William's determination to be part of that. Even the Yanks got ideas from his Bill of Rights and new directions. So by all means keep to your brief smart alex stuff and help your pomposity as the practical facts and your Brigadoon brain will find it difficul to be otherwiset. :hat:
Proud to be Scots - proud to be British.
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I think the Labour supporters mention is a challenge as the more working class they are the more they want out of Europe and Labour knows that. The Guardian doesn't amount to anything as it has been declining for ages.
This may have been posted already, if so, my apologies, but I found this to be a good article to share with some of my friends who didn't much understand what Brexit is: Der Spiegel's explanation of Brexit (http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-brexit-referendum-in-the-uk-a-1097629.html#sponfakt=1)
How funny to watch the English now terrorized with what happens when they finally leave.
They thought that they even could be out and benefiting as still being in. Incredible.
Go Brexit, go. That Europe can finnaly get rid of such false people.
Bye bye.
May I remind you Bel that after Germany and France the Brits came third as net contributors to the EU.
net contributors to the EU.
That makes me laugh a lot.
For the important things, in case people don't know, the UK exiting the EU means that they are forced to keep on following all the rules for two years while negotiating the exit agreement terms.
What happens during such negotiations? simple, every single pretension the UK presents for assuring privileges will be refused by all the other countries, as obvious. UK demands will create the biggest union ever seen between all the European countries and force Germany to let the UK to fall. And what a fall it would be.
So Krake, if someone needs reminders and advices those would be the British not the others. Brexit is not an intelligent move for the UK, therefore I support it entirely, Britain first.
Don't you love politics? :)
Don't you love politics?
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The European Union is the worst choice – apart from the alternative (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/15/european-union-eu-britain-sovereignty)
There you have an intelligent understanding about what's going on and the role of the US at all this.
Exactly by the same reasons I prefer the American's 5th column to leave.
That makes me laugh a lot.
For the important things, in case people don't know, the UK exiting the EU means that they are forced to keep on following all the rules for two years while negotiating the exit agreement terms.
What happens during such negotiations? simple, every single pretension the UK presents for assuring privileges will be refused by all the other countries, as obvious. UK demands will create the biggest union ever seen between all the European countries and force Germany to let the UK to fall. And what a fall it would be.
So Krake, if someone needs reminders and advices those would be the British not the others. Brexit is not an intelligent move for the UK, therefore I support it entirely, Britain first.
Don't you love politics? :)
Furthermore the contributions, net or otherwise, are misleading. About 1% of the total gross national income of the member countries goes to the EU. Compare that with the around 20% that goes to the US federal budget. The reason is simple, the US federal government is a government, the EU institutions are not. Almost all government activity is at national level or below.
Back in the day most of the EU money went into the Common Agricultural Policy, but that programme is gradually shrinking. The structural funds are growing and may soon eclipse CAP. Over time the net contributions (total contributions to the budget minus EU money spent in the country) have changed. The large countries are more noticable as they have a larger population, but back in 2007 the numbers were:
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Northern and Western Europe is seemingly generous to Southern and Eastern, but remember this is about the 1% of the EUropean economy. How the benefit turns out for the 99% is harder to say.
Britain is definitely giving away their current advantages assuming a Leave. If they were to leave and then realise they shouldn't have, they would have a problem. Most countries would be happy to let the UK back in again, but to join the EU it isn't enough to have the support of "most countries", they need the acceptance of every single country of the remaining 27 countries, particularly the ones that might be less welcoming. If Britain were to try to rejoin they would probably have to eat a lot of snails.
Should the UK leave, they shouldn't hold their breath waiting for a good deal when negotiating new trade deals, etc.
After leaving what can the UK put on the table to get the EU to give them privileges or preferment?
Saying we are the UK and we are special will not cut it.
Time for a Brexit break; time for a Marmite test!
[video]https://youtu.be/q_BxxyhPFNs[/video]
Wrong, Marmite is better. =p
Happy BREXIT day folks. Mr. Howie is smiling!
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Mr. Howie is smiling!
Not for long.
Scotland has already announced their intention of having a new referendum, turn independent and join the EU. :lol:
Finally, the UK (?) playing with three or four teams at the European Championship will finish. They will be certainly welcome to the North American League.
The guy of the Brexit has already run away. Cowards.
David Cameron is the worst PM in the history of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
Agree or disagree, and what is basis of your reasoning?
What? They aren't entitled to their "wider" democracy? :)
It's amazing (which is to say, common-place…) how many people support democracy, so long as they're in the majority…
The prospect of Brexit Britain turning into a post-global disaster zone is real. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/11/the-prospect-of-brexit-britain-turning-into-a-post-global-disaster-zone-is-real) The Brits have no plan (deliberately!), no leadership, the looming prospect of stagflation and debt rising to 100 percent of GDP thanks to the political antics of doing a Brexit.
It sounds like a suicide followed by a mass murder. :eyes:
The prospect of Brexit Britain turning into a post-global disaster zone is real. (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/11/the-prospect-of-brexit-britain-turning-into-a-post-global-disaster-zone-is-real) The Brits have no plan (deliberately!), no leadership, the looming prospect of stagflation and debt rising to 100 percent of GDP thanks to the political antics of doing a Brexit.
We now zoom in for a live look at Glasgow, with the ever-formidable Mr. Howie remaining a beacon of calm:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro[/video]
Toga! Toga!
The sky is falling over Britain and now this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/12/glamour-model-teresa-may-swamped-by-tweets-from-people-thinking/):
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Glamour model Teresa May swamped by tweets from people thinking she is the next British Prime Minister
We now zoom in for a live look at Glasgow, with the ever-formidable Mr. Howie remaining a beacon of calm:
Quite so! A modern day Prometheus, he brings light and wisdom to humanity and is the booming voice of moral authority. As such, the titan of a man was able to return the crowd to the normal state of affairs of looting and pillaging and occasional knifings.
The sky isn't falling in. We have got a brand new Prime Minister faster than thought and it is the lain opposition party that is in a deserved mess.
Been celebrating the 12th of July.
...the looming prospect of stagflation and debt rising to 100 percent of GDP thanks to the political antics of doing a Brexit.
Debt 100 percent to GDP is nothing as long as exports are doing good. British trade balance has always been favourable and with the falling pound will be even more so. For comparison, Japan has debt over 200 percent GDP right now and stagflation since the 90's. But Japan hasn't collapsed because exports are all good. And Japan's exports are good because (a) they have been historically good and (2) the govt takes sufficient debt to keep jobs in place and production running.
Greece is doing bad because along with the bad debt-to-GDP they have the trade deficit and the budget deficit. Bad idea to have all that at the same time.
UK exports aren't doing well and their trade balance is negative.
Britain’s trading position with the rest of the world was much worse than feared in the opening months of this year, intensifying concerns about how the economy will fare outside the EU.
The current account deficit narrowed only slightly in the first quarter from the record reached in the previous three months, data from the Office for National Statistics showed.
The figures also confirmed that the economy slowed in the first quarter and grew more slowly than previously thought in 2015, adding to the gloom amid warnings that Britain is on the brink of recession following the Brexit vote.
Normally a falling Pound should help the trade balance, but these are not normal times.
The buffoon, Boris Johnson, has been named foreign secretary in the May administration: Not sure if serious or just a big joke that this man will be negotiating Brexit. (http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/14/boris-johnson-foreign-secretary-view-from-abroad?CMP=fb_gu)
Oh good, the British version of Trump is going to be the UK's foreign secretary :faint:
Here's side by side photos of Johnson and Trump:
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You got that from someone else.
For faults that Boris might have he was elected mayor of London twice because he was affable and even people who didn't normally vote on his party ticket wanted him. He would not have made a Prime Minister but to try and use him as a way of doing the usual ex-colonist trait of body swerving that America has a dangerous and crazy person in the running for President is laughable! Trump would get nowhere here but then you lot are so juvenile and kindergarten in politics we have to make allowances for the place. :whistle:
You got that from someone else.
For faults that Boris might have he was elected mayor of London twice because he was affable and even people who didn't normally vote on his party ticket wanted him. He would not have made a Prime Minister but to try and use him as a way of doing the usual ex-colonist trait of body swerving that America has a dangerous and crazy person in the running for President is laughable! Trump would get nowhere here but then you lot are so juvenile and kindergarten in politics we have to make allowances for the place. :whistle:
My dear chap, the British Donald Drumpf (his proper Scottish name, mind you :) ), is the one who is going to be in charge of negotiating trade deals with the rest of Europe when and IF May invokes Article 50.
You'd have done just as well to put that moron Nigel Farage as Foreign Secretary and have been done with it for all the good Bumblin' Boris will do.
But that's your problem, not mine. :cheers:
My dear chap, the British Donald Drumpf (his proper Scottish name, mind you :) ), is the one who is going to be in charge of negotiating trade deals with the rest of Europe when and IF May invokes Article 50
I read Boris will have limited say on trade and the EU exit negotiations. Not his remit. Ms. May assigned that to others.
There is no more Uk anymore. The thread can be closed.
We do not have a political problem re the governemtn but you well do colonel blimp. You lot bum across the world with military everywhere but incapable of looking after people INSIDE your own land so no lectures from you please. And that added utter nonsense on N. Ireland from you as well shows you up as well.
Belfrager, the UK is still here but you place will no doubt continue to stagger. As I say in another thread yo are being fines by Europe for financial matters and in economics and working numbers in a mess. We have helped small countries like yours in Europe as we put in more than we get out but don't eel like being thankful. However when we get off the farce the EU is (economically and the Euro still a mess after years!) you will have to pay more in membership fees to make up for our departure from the gravy train.
As i finish this comment I am laughing over the keyboard at a half-Yank from the South of nutjobland querying our system. With the economy and workless and homeless in the ex-colonies still a problem it is funny.
However when we get off the farce the EU
Gee, I thought you were
against Brexit, and
for Scotland
not becoming independent…? :)
Get out more you need it.
We do not have a political problem re the governemtn but you well do colonel blimp. You lot bum across the world with military everywhere but incapable of looking after people INSIDE your own land so no lectures from you please. And that added utter nonsense on N. Ireland from you as well shows you up as well.
Belfrager, the UK is still here but you place will no doubt continue to stagger. As I say in another thread yo are being fines by Europe for financial matters and in economics and working numbers in a mess. We have helped small countries like yours in Europe as we put in more than we get out but don't eel like being thankful. However when we get off the farce the EU is (economically and the Euro still a mess after years!) you will have to pay more in membership fees to make up for our departure from the gravy train.
As i finish this comment I am laughing over the keyboard at a half-Yank from the South of nutjobland querying our system. With the economy and workless and homeless in the ex-colonies still a problem it is funny.
1. Nope, we haven't had a constitutional crisis since Nixon's day, when he failed to seek Congress approval for Vietnam. Your lot on the other hand, just very recently had a constitutional crisis and it is the first of many. You know good and well that Scotland and the SNP will not be moved from the EU without kicking and screamingly doing so. That alone will precipitate a HUGE constitutional crisis for Mrs. May's administration.
2. Where did we learn that from old fella? On whose knee did we watch it from? Hint:
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7ujvOWWfpY[/video]
3. I smilingly return your laugh with a nod of my grey hat to a Scot about to lose his beloved Britishness only to have his Scottishness remain. But hey, the Battle of the Boyne isn't going anywhere, am I right? :D
Constitutional crisis? What utter ubbish from a frustrated ex-colonist. A prime Minister stands down as he lost a referendum and within days his party in routine form replaces him. The only crisis is in the Labour party and they don't run the political leadership. We had two referendums but you lot will never be allowed them. Democracy? Nah!
I was born Scottish and British and still am both - will remain too boy but nice try. The Scot Nats do fit in well with the joke about the party's initials standing for Scottish Nose pickers and in parliament when the Prime Minister finished his last question time the Conservative Party stood up and applauded (only time allowed to clap in parliament) the Labour opposition, Liberal Democrats and other parties all politely clapped but the SNP bunch sat there frozen faced being ignorant and ridiculous. As for the reference to the Boyne my Order marks it in different ways in well, different countries. So well done my brothers in Scotland, England, Northern Ireland, Republic of Ireland (yep ) America, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Togo, Ghana.
Years ago I did have a passing leaning to Nixon and thought his steps to meet China were a great achievement and progress then came disaster. My flag in the living room next to Her Majesty's picture will always remain with confidence and when it comes to ceremonial you lot could do with lessons as you are hopeless! :queen: It was no surrender at the Siege of Londonderry and the Boyne and I shout the same at the tartan brains of the SNP. When Martin Luther was going to his trial he said that it could rain Duke Georges but he would be there and for me it can rain Brigadoons but I will still be okay. :knight:
"‘Brexit’ Must Face a Parliamentary Vote, U.K. Court Rules"
"LONDON — The British government must consult Parliament before proceeding with formal negotiations over its withdrawal from the European Union, the High Court ruled on Thursday, a move that is likely to aggravate the political uncertainty surrounding the country’s exit from the bloc.
The decision is likely to be appealed to the Supreme Court of the United Kingdom, and it might ultimately be referred to the European Court of Justice, an institution opposed by those who argued for Britain to leave the bloc."
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/world/europe/uk-brexit-vote-parliament.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2Fbritain-brexit-european-union&action=click&contentCollection=europe®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/world/europe/uk-brexit-vote-parliament.html?rref=collection%2Fnewseventcollection%2Fbritain-brexit-european-union&action=click&contentCollection=europe®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection&_r=0)
I'm sorry, but I haven't read the article to which you linked… Britain doesn't have a written constitution, so parliament can do whatever the heck it wants… No matter how loud the Queen squeals. There are no "checks and balances" available.
We're coming close to the same circumstance.
Woe.
I'm tired! I can't really imagine, how you feel.
In this case we are talking about the opposite, it was the government that claimed that it "can do whatever the heck it wants" without parliamentary oversight. I found that view rather stunning, but then I'm no expert on British constitutional matters. The High Court, which presumably is, seems to share my opinion.
Referenda in the UK, as most everywhere else, are "advisory" and have no legal basis, but a politician ignoring such "advice" could face adversarial consequences come next election, something they are loath to do.
The government tried to ram over over constitutional matters for political expediency, and the court shot them down. This is a classic case of "checks and balances". The executive tried to do a fast one over the legislative, and the judicial stopped them (for now).
Groan...you have never had democracy Oakdale but a parody of it. Last time someone tried to leave there was a war over there. No multi-party system just two corporate lots conning the people. Mind you it is hardly surprising as the start of it's so-called independence was by the corporate string pullers of the time. And will throw in another thing in that the revolution was by a third of the population . Democracy, haha. I would spend more time trying to sort out the mess over where you are boy!
Cat-door-brexit
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Cat-door-brexit
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I believe that a Doberman would put that sissy cat running away... f*ck, even a Teckel.
Most important European race dogs are reserved for much more important battles.
Not a cat it is the traditional British Lion. The EU if is plays stupid on the markets side stands to lose an awful lot as they get more from us as we from them alternatively. Imagine - poor Portugal in a state of economic mess and needs to have the begging bowl yakking about principles. In fact it couldn't leave as it would go into a financial disaster! And tut, tut begging bowl man..swearing. Get thee to the confessional. Can you imagine a State in the USA voting to leave? The corporate "democracy" would have the men in steel helmets going nuts.
This could be in Good News as well, but the optimal pub-to-pub route has been found.
UK24727 (http://www.math.uwaterloo.ca/tsp/pubs/)
A shortest-possible walking tour through the pubs of the United Kingdom.
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Doesn't touch me much really as I am teetotal!
This man bungee jumped 73m to dunk a biscuit in a cup of tea, securing a new world record on (https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/799213024158486528) #GWRDay (https://twitter.com/hashtag/GWRDay?src=hash)
https://youtu.be/Iu2ybE6NFxM
I'd prefer to go downstairs.
It seems that Brexit hasn't arrived to DnD yet...
When the English will get out for never ever return?
When they get a similar deal to Sweden's…
Investigatory Powers Bill (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-2-investigatory-powers-bill-parliament-lords-what-does-it-mean-a7423866.html): ‘Snoopers Charter 2’ to pass into law, giving Government sweeping spying powersDespite criticism from almost every major technology and internet company – including usually reticent ones like Apple (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-investigatory-powers-bill-apple-facebook-google-twitter-microsoft-a6950481.html) – and from senior parliamentary committees (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/investigatory-powers-bill-scathing-attack-on-snoopers-charter-launched-by-parliament-a6866836.html) the legislation has received little opposition in parliament. Early on, the only amendment that the bill received (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/snoopers-charter-only-amendment-politicians-have-submitted-to-controversial-bill-is-to-stop-mps-a6948211.html) from MPs was a measure that stopped themselves being spied on, and while Labour has raised objections to the sweeping spying powers it has not voted against the bill.
Israeli diplomat caught on camera plotting to 'take down' UK MPs (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/07/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-take-down-uk-mps)
(https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/07/israeli-diplomat-shai-masot-caught-on-camera-plotting-to-take-down-uk-mps)
An Israeli embassy official has been caught on camera in an undercover sting plotting to “take down” MPs regarded as hostile, including foreign office minister Sir Alan Duncan, an outspoken supporter of a Palestinian state.
In an extraordinary breach of diplomatic protocol, Shai Masot, who describes himself as an officer in the Israel Defence Forces and is serving as a senior political officer at the London embassy, was recorded by an undercover reporter from al-Jazeera’s investigative unit speaking about a number of British MPs.
The Israeli ambassador, Mark Regev, apologised to Duncan on Friday. An Israeli spokesman said Regev made clear that “the embassy considered the remarks completely unacceptable”.
The Israeli embassy said Masot “will be ending his term of employment with the embassy shortly”. Masot declined to comment or to elaborate on what he meant when he said he wanted to “take down” a number of MPs.
Masot had been speaking to Maria Strizzolo, a civil servant who was formerly an aide to another Conservative minister. Also present was a man they knew as Robin, whom they believed to be working for Labour Friends of Israel, a pressure group. In fact, Robin was an undercover reporter.
Strizzolo, discussing with Masot how to discredit MPs, said: “Well, you know, if you look hard enough, I’m sure that there is something that they’re trying to hide.” Later she added: “A little scandal, maybe.”
https://youtu.be/Hpg85c7pZvY
Horrific mass brawl involving more than 100 in Wetherspoons (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/watch-horrific-mass-brawl-involving-12596845)
Both men and women were filmed throwing punches at each other as the music continued to play in the background.
Police Scotland approves
Hijab as Official Uniform
to boost number of
Muslim women joining force
[VIDEO]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBdkyHtcbO4[/VIDEO]
SOURCE: The Independent (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/police-scotland-hijab-official-uniform-muslim-women-islam-muslims-veil-a7207106.html?cmpid=facebook-post)
Police Scotland has announced that the hijab will become part of its official uniform as it aims to create a more diverse force.
The force said they hope the move will “encourage women from Muslim communities, who may previously not have seen policing as a career option, to reconsider”.
In the past, Muslim police officers in Scotland were allowed to wear the hijab, but only once it was approved by senior staff members.
The Metropolitan Police introduced the hijab as an optional part of the force’s official uniform in 2001 as part of a similar drive to recruit a more diverse mix of officers.
In a statement, chief constable Phil Gormley said: “I am delighted to make this announcement and welcome the support from both the Muslim community, and the wider community, as well as police officers and staff.
“Like many other employers, especially in the public sector, we are working towards ensuring our service is representative of the communities we serve. I hope that this addition to our uniform options will contribute to making our staff mix more diverse and adds to the life skills, experiences and personal qualities that our officers and staff bring to policing the communities of Scotland.”
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The hijab is officially part of the uniform for Mounties in Canada
The announcement was welcomed by the Scottish Police Muslim Association (SPMA), a group that aims to build links between Muslim communities in Scotland and the police.
Fahad Bashir, chair of the SPMA said: “This is a positive step in the right direction, and I am delighted that Police Scotland is taking productive steps in order to ensure that our organisation is seen to be inclusive and represents the diverse communities that we serve across Scotland.
“No doubt this will encourage more women from Muslim and minority ethnic backgrounds to join Police Scotland.”
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(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/march17b.gif) Geeeez RJ, watcha gunna do now Laddie??? (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hilander.gif)
Strip off yer Kilt, & join the force in protest!? (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/laughing024.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/laughing024.gif)(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/laughing024.gif)
Are Muslim women wearing hijabs allowed to work at all?
Geeeez RJ, watcha gunna do now Laddie??? (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hilander.gif)
Strip off yer Kilt, & join the force in protest!?
I don't recall seeing any cops in Scotland, but one of the things that stood out to me in England (well, Heathrow anyway) was all of the police officers wearing Sikh headdress.
Are Muslim women wearing hijabs allowed to work at all?
Why not? It's just a headscarf. The thumbnail there looks more like a niqab-type full-body tent.
The rage against the hijab (along with the failure to distinguish between hijab and niqab) is really weird. Hijab in Iran is just a scarf, non-different from what Russian married/church-going women wear. Or what your regular Italian mamma wears to show her Catholicity. It's often similar to those in fashion in Hollywood in the 50's and 60's. OMG stop the oppression!
(https://scentsationsflorida.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/scarfba6.jpg)
Hijab in Iran is just a scarf, non-different from what Russian married/church-going women wear.
BTW, this applies also to Jewish women entering an orthodox synagogue.
Over history women have been treated poorly, but this is simply outrageous.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fshoebat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FMuslim-Women-Wearing-Controversial-Niqab-UK-VksoU30f3sgl.jpg&hash=7113c2e8f6d5ebb4aee0d7dbae1785c5" rel="cached" data-hash="7113c2e8f6d5ebb4aee0d7dbae1785c5" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://shoebat.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Muslim-Women-Wearing-Controversial-Niqab-UK-VksoU30f3sgl.jpg)
OMG stop the oppression!
When and where was this prescribed by a religious
and government authority?
People can wear whatever head coverings they want to (except in France…) but hiding one's face in public and official identification is — well, it's at least suspect. No? :)
Jaybro, I'm not sure what your point is… But if it's railing against anti-female rights, I'm with you. (Darn-near half the people I've known in my life are female, and I've liked most of them; respected them, of course; but also realized, early on, that they're
smart! Shouldn't we all want to talk with smart people?!)
A head-scarf doesn't bother me: Except where it's a government imposed requirement. (I'm a lapsed Catholic… I've no problem with
our requirements. Heck, I'd even accept the yamulke – I mean, why not? It's voluntary. That's the real point, isn't it? Voluntary strictures vs. government coercion?)
People can wear whatever head coverings they want to (except in France...) but hiding one's face in public and official identification is -- well, it's at least suspect. No? :)
I'm pretty sure that most countries have laws restricting head coverings in some manner, like no motorcycle helmets in stores and banks. Belgium was the first to pass a law restricting identity-obscuring headdresses in 2010, although why lawmakers would waste their time banning something relatively harmless practiced by only a few dozen at most is beyond me.
I've no problem with our requirements. Heck, I'd even accept the yamulke – I mean, why not? It's voluntary. That's the real point, isn't it? Voluntary strictures vs. government coercion?
No. Voluntary strictures vs. government coercion is not the real point.
I don't expect a dude who accepts
our requirements (presumably precisely because they are
our) to get the real point.
Strongly am considering wearing a colander when my license expires this year. You know, being a Pastafarian Minister kinda dictates that (sincerely held religious beliefs and all that).
Colander > all other religious attire.
Well considering the way religion works in the ex-colonies being daft would be easy to adapt yourself to.
Well, looks as though May and her cronies have wormed their way out of paying the 52 billion quid EU divorce bill: No doubt Scotland will have to pay it when they go independent? (http://www.businessinsider.com/government-not-obliged-to-pay-52-billion-brexit-divorce-bill-2017-3?r=UK&IR=T)
Mrs May is a better Prime Minister than the one before her and I am more than happy to be getting out of the EC. As for independence up here I look for ward to the SNP leader, Sturgeon resigning on another Scots Referendum result. As it happens the PM was right to say no to another Indy thing while Brexit is going on. An independent Scotland would have a massive debt no Barnet Formula (special annual grant) from the UK government and have to accept the Euro applying at a later date to get into Europe. Almost laughable that Nationalists want to break from the UK and be put under the control of a non-democratic thing like the EU. And another daftness is that 75% of Scotland's trade is with the rest of Britain NOT Europe.
My brief summation of the modern damn Jacobites is.....
No Surrender! :knight:
So you're now pro-Brexit? Typical Scot! :) See which side wins and then claim you were always with them…
My brief summation of Rj's post
So many inaccuracies in one post. He should write for the Daily Mail.
Queen unveils monument celebrating half a million Iraqi deaths
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxl2LBwTBa0[/video]
For Oakdale, krake and Luxor...
Firslty can I say Oakdale that I have always been a Brexit man so get sobered.
For krake I would say that link is guff and hardly a big broadcaster. And anyway firgures just get made up and in the Iraq situation did not stay at one figure but within short periods different news bumped numbers up and competing between news channels and papers. The man who spoke is a minority and the monument was right.
As for Luxor he just comes out with the usual body-swerve of the Scots Brigadoon and modern Jacobites. He just skips what was said by me. I will list the obvious including sadly repeat thoughts.
- An independent Scotland would have to apply to Europe to join and be told to accept the Euro.
- Leave the UK then be controlled from Brussels!
- Made a hash of the police by amalgamating them and the national police in tens of millions of debt, some shocking failures.
- National Health system in Scotland. The Scots government has control of it and it is in a mess.
- Education. Once a world wide success it has declined and declined and suffering.
- College places reduced.
- Now that oil has collapsed where does extra money come from?
- There would be no Barnet formula grant from the UK government.
- We would have to fund our own military.
- Only a quarter (as pointed out) of Scotland's economy depends on Europe but the Nats want to leave Britain be controlled elsewhere!
- The SNP has had 10 years and created some of the above negatives but done nothing about it. Instead rabbiting on about Europe because they cannot answer the inefficiency and mess they have made.
In fairness there is one area they succeed.
That one is braining emotional Scots from the basic truths such as above. So the luxors of the world can be as haughty and sniffy as they want because practicality is a negative possibility. :hat: :happy:
can I say Oakdale that I have always been a Brexit man
As much as you can say you've always been Catholic! :)
- An independent Scotland would have to apply to Europe to join and be told to accept the Euro.
No one has to join the Euro. If a member state decides that it’s not in its interests to adopt the common currency, then we can't be forced to.
- Leave the UK then be controlled from Brussels!
Brussels won't take all our resources and give us back pocket money. Unlike Westminster who do what they want to Scotland and totally ignore us.
- Made a hash of the police by amalgamating them and the national police in tens of millions of debt, some shocking failures.
Like all police forces in the UK then.
National Health system in Scotland. The Scots government has control of it and it is in a mess.
Best performing NHS in the UK as fine you know. Oh wait you believe what the Daily Mail tells you, don't you.
- Education. Once a world wide success it has declined and declined and suffering.
Depends on who you believe.
- College places reduced.
Because they removed the low quality part-time courses. Full time courses have gone up.
Now that oil has collapsed where does extra money come from?
Oil is a bonus. Scotland is a wealthy country.
There would be no Barnet formula grant from the UK government.
Well Duh! Of course not, that's what being independent means. We wouldn't need the Barnet pocket money because we would keep all of ours to ourself. Jeez! I would have thought that was simple enough, even for you to figure out.
We would have to fund our own military.
Yes we would. Like any other independent nation.
Only a quarter (as pointed out) of Scotland's economy depends on Europe but the Nats want to leave Britain be controlled elsewhere!
We would still trade with the UK which they would need to as we are their biggest trading partner, more than what we trade with them.
Or would they cut off their nose to spite their face?
- The SNP has had 10 years
And many more to come if the polls are to be believed. :yes:
Usual bending answers from the modern Jacobite Luxor.
The NHS in Scotland IS having problems and his answer bends the proper answer there too. He does a dance on the police sayng the same is with all the other police forcs in the UK. Talk about false tongues. The police service in Scotland has declined and has tens of millions of debt now but we are given a twisted answer like the other subjects. Education standards HAVE slipped and he has ignored what has been reported from education sources and NOT newspapers but he thinks that we are all as stupid as the Indy lot and uses the Daily Mail as a weak answer. May I also remind him that Sturgeon HAS said there would be problems dealing with the UK on independence re financial matters. That other weak comment about not having to accept the Euro did make me laugh. He also ignored the truth that three-quarters of Scotland's economy is with the UK NOT the EU. . Anyone with an open brain would see the bending going on and may I also remind too that most Scots are not getting into a niggle about wanting another damn referendum. Oh and the Barnet Formula neatly ignored. What would they replace the Barnet with to make up the loss? On the military, Scotland's proportion of the military to take charge of would not be possible as would be too expensive and have to be reduced. That Standard newspaper on independence has slumped brilliantly and a passing bit of good news! Woo maybe the Daily Mail will be blamed for that too?! The usual Scottish Nose Picker answers are always bended or answers ignored. :whistle:
Usual bending answers from the modern Jacobite Luxor.
Still not grown up yet I see. :whistle:
I'll ignore the rest of your drivel.
answers are always bended or answers ignored
You don't like the answers then that's your problem.
Imagine what state our NHS and Police would be in if Rooth-the-mooth was in charge. Now that would be a disaster. :yes:
As you can see folks he is doing the usual dance and the hard fact is that the NHS in Scotland HAS deteriorated in the 10 years of kilty cauld bums as has the police repeatedly and the education and all that Luxor's pal the wee smart mouth has said shge is working on - eh - a decade??. Even the Brexit thing has been used by the Nationalist children as an excuse and ignores the hard ACTUAL hard truth that the UK IS Scotland's biggest customer NOT Europe. His corner moans at the UK yet the Scots Parliament is getting the best powers of any devolved administration but he wants to be controlled by Europe. The British government gives a lot of money annually to Scotland with the Barnet Formula. A separate Scotland taking it's percentage share of the UK military could not afford it meaning that area would have to be reduced and I am of the view that many military men would not be keen on being in it! and as the Royal Navy has ships built up here an independent farce would potentially see that lost.
May I also remind dear readers that a former SNP leader and 2 former Edinburgh SNP ministers have contradicted the going ons and another area skipped by the bloated grey cells of Luxor as you will have noticed. :P :yes:
It's so much fun, watching you quasi-Europeans arguing with each other! :) What will you do if America cuts you loose? (Because Trump is -you know- crazy!) Become adults again?
Fat chance.
Yak, yak. Blah, blah. That's all I see in your posts Rj. Daily Mail "facts" repeated by yourself constantly.
I sometimes think you are Murdo Fraser in disguise, because you repeat the same garbage he does every day on Twitter.
Tick-tock.
You really do yourself no credit whatsover dear modern Jacobite.
The former head of Scottish school inspection has noted the decline in Scottish education. Not just a slight drop but a long slump. You Luxor can blah about the Daily Mail all you like but it is not much of an argument against what I stand by. The Police Scotland has been a fiasco. Stations shut across the country, glaring and shocking mistakes involving missing or dead individuals. And that immature guff about our NHS being amongst the best in Britain and something the hard truth displays as a mess whether it is organisation, waiting times or whatever. And you totally ignored re the education corner too the big drop in college places. The UK government helps support Scotland with the Barnett Formula but in that corner too you totally ignore what the loss of that would mean on independence. Robertson, who has been a leading Remain campaigner in Westminster, told the SNP conference in Aberdeen that Theresa May is afraid of a Scottish referendum because the Conservatives “are desperate to prevent anyone having the chance to reject the hard-right Brexit that they are so wedded to.” You also ignored what I intimated about the former SNP leader and two former Ministers concerned about how the SNP is doing things. No answer just ignored.
Sturgeon and her robots have harped on and on about Brexit which was an overall British Referendum not a purely Scottish one. There are Nats who are Brexit people including at least one of those 2 ex-Ministers too! The majority of Scots do not want another referendum so Sturgeon mouth rabbits on about the EU. The fact that Europe only accounts for 25% of Scotland's economic side is also ignored by you. In an independent state there are contrasting Nationalist views on currency (as in the 2014 referendum). There is talk about "starting" with a pound but big head Salmond the former leader of the Brigadoon mob has mouthed that would just be a start to another currency. Education, college places, health, police, economics, etc were danced around by you and fall back on squeaking about one newspaper as if that is an intelligent answer??
So keep yourself happy by scoffing about the Mail as it is not possible to deal with the hard truths I have intimated. I did muse on the poor satirical edge but II have to accept we live in a democracy and numpties and clowning has to be put up with. Oh and one last thing about newspapers. That paper "The National" that got all the ballyhoo a couple of years ago striding for independence has lost the greatest part of it's circulation - what is it now around 16,000 from the starting 50,000?. Brilliant. Every time I pop into my supermarket cafe for a cup of tea and snack they have free papers on a rack to read and I always bin that rubbishy thing! :cheers:
No one has to join the Euro. If a member state decides that it's not in its interests to adopt the common currency, then we can't be forced to.
Technically that is not correct. New entrants, as well as the old members (with the exception of UK and Denmark) are required to join the Eurozone as soon as the technical requirements for doing so are fulfilled. That is the single most stupid thing with the Euro, that the entrance is based on political obligations rather on than metrics of economic integration. Euro is a good thing, for countries with well-integrated economies.
In practice this is not a major issue. Sweden long ago found the loophole. One of the technical requirement has been to stay within the ERM II exchange rate mechanism for two years, as a measure of exchange rate stability. However, joining the ERM II is voluntary. Sweden would fulfil all the technical requirements, including a stable exchange rate, and the track to the Eurozone would be automatic and unavoidable. However Sweden never joined the ERM II, and cannot become a Eurozone member until we've stayed two years in something we never joined. The Czech Republic uses the exact same loophole. Denmark got an exception, but would actually benefit from being in the Eurozone, while Greece never should have joined.
An independent Scotland should consider the Euro though, it might be good for Scotland, and better than a currency union with Britain. A Scottish pound might be for the best though.
A Scottish pound might be for the best though.
That's my preferred option.
@Rj the only thing that is ignored by me is you. :yes:
Euro is a good thing, for countries with well-integrated economies.
You are right - theoretically at least.
Bear in mind that even within the same country there are regional gaps concerning the economic status.
Furthermore, what do you think base rate is good for?
By 'outsourcing' the control over your currency you are outsourcing one of the most powerful
level lever your government once had, to keep the economy afloat.
Can you please enumerate those countries with "well-integrated economies" profiting from the Euro?
My country is for the time being still one of them. Wonder if and whom you'll add to that list...
Well you have to ignore me Luxor because what I said is too much of the practical truth and a typical modern Jacobite answer mentality. So well done being traditional in all fairness! :hat: :cheers:
Nah! I ignored you because you're a wee nyaff.
People will generally notice that my list of the modern Jacobite negatives were danced around and instead a would-be sanctimonious stance from a corner! Such minds fall back on doing a dance and hide behind the Brexit issue and they feel chuffed and superior because of their nationalism. Well when they lose another future referendum I will celebrate because the hard issues are beyond the mentality of the snooty Luxor mindsets. here is there symbol folks! :headbang:
:cheers:
The only nationalism in Scotland is by the retards that wrap themselves in the Union Jack.
The rest of us are internationalists who welcome everybody.
You welcomed the fellow who killed three and injured nearly 30 yesterday…? If you're making that argument, you're sillier than RJ!
How about you… No. Never mind. You folks deserve what you get… Stupid gits.
Thankfully. at least one copper had a firearm, and used it appropriately.
I would say Oakdale that a Nat like Luxor dribbling about Scot Nat would-be modern Jacobites are so obviously nationalist as they cannot see beyond kilts, shortbread and Scotland! They are fanatically nationalist and body-swerve seeing progress in Scotland. It is the same kind of warped mentality that covers Americans who ignore the Presidential conclusion! The one we are stuck with here rabbits about unionists waving the Union flag and what do his lot of emotionals do with the Saltire? They go out of their way to ridicule Scottish Unionists. If there was ever another Scots referendum and the the nationalist child minds lose I do hope that wee Sturgeon does what that big arrogant and smug Salmond did and resigned. Would save her wearing high heels all the time to be noticed! :yes: :P
You welcomed the fellow who killed three and injured nearly 30 yesterday…?
Bullshit.
For your enlightenment - the fellow you are speaking about was born in Great Britain 52 years ago.
However, there are facts you won't speak and don't want to hear about.
Your country and its vassals have actively contributed to the spreading of radical islamism. Main goal was to destabilize countries/regions in order to push through own geostrategic interests.
Example: The CIA's Intervention in Afghanistan (http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html)
If destabilization didn't work or it seemed to take too long, you simply started with 'humanitarian' bombing or even war.
Have you ever considered to sacrifice one minute of your precious life and think about the resulting number of muslims killed or injured?
Could you imagine that your children, relatives or friends get bombed or droned for mesquin geostrategic interests/regime changes? Wonder if you can?
Keep in mind that radicalization and hate can work both ways...
Last but not least, the main financiers for radical Islam worldwide, the Saudis, Kuwait and Qatar are your/our allies.
Bear in mind that even within the same country there are regional gaps concerning the economic status.
Furthermore, what do you think base rate is good for?
By 'outsourcing' the control over your currency you are outsourcing one of the most powerful level lever your government once had, to keep the economy afloat.
Can you please enumerate those countries with "well-integrated economies" profiting from the Euro?
My country is for the time being still one of them. Wonder if and whom you'll add to that list...
Economies that are basically in synch and can be expected to remain so. The economic heartland of EU is Germany and France. When Spain and Ireland was overheating, Germany and France were stagnant, the ECB gave priority to the latter. That laid the groundwork for the recent crisis and the PIIGS talk. Euro is beneficial, but risky for the economic periphery, which means Finland, the Baltic states, Central and Southern Europe, Norway (if an EU country), the British isles, Iceland.
Apart from Germany, France, Be-Ne-Lux and Northern Italy (but not the rest), Denmark and probably Austria and Sweden are in the same economic cycles.
Nah! According to Trump, all terrorists have immigrated from a list of countries that don't include Saudi Arabia. Trust him. Alternative facts.
Nah! According to Trump, all terrorists have immigrated from a list of countries that don't include Saudi Arabia.
This might even be true.
Take for example Mohamed Atta. He came neither from Egypt nor from Saudi Arabia but from Hamburg.
So I'd advise Mr. Trump to expand the existing travel ban over Germany too. :)
As for Saudi Arabia, it isn't our ally only since the Trump administration. Is it?
You welcomed the fellow who killed three and injured nearly 30 yesterday...?
You mean the born and bred British citizen. Aye keeping foreigners out could have prevented that. :whistle:
They go out of their way to ridicule Scottish Unionists.
They don't need no help from the likes of me to ridicule them, they are doing a fine job of that all by themselves. :yes:
Apart from Germany, France, Be-Ne-Lux and Northern Italy (but not the rest), Denmark and probably Austria and Sweden are in the same economic cycles.
It's more about productivity than economic cycles. There is a fierce competition within the EU.
Northern Italy (but not the rest)?
Since there is only one Italy we should better take the country as a whole. ;)
As it looks for now even Italy can't afford the Euro.
Something related: EZB: Der 750-Milliarden-Euro-Handschlag (http://www.focus.de/politik/experten/lucke/ezb-bereitet-mario-draghi-deutschlands-austritt-aus-dem-euro-vor_id_6594547.html)
Since you are a polyglot, I hope that you can deal with the above article as well. :)
The translation would be to much of a hassle for me.
So better British citizens shouldn't be allowed to enter the United States. :right:
To be stopped from entering the nutjob place?? Not a problem, haha. As for Luxor he is keeping up a traditional stance where if you cannot answer the direct points then slag off. In fairness I will give him 3 out of 3 for consistency........
You're right, RJ: We shouldn't seek to "import" nut-jobs… But you're welcome to visit. (I doubt that you could harm a butterfly, and that you'd want to.) Tourism is -everything else being equal (you know: no terrorist connections, reasonable identification from your own country, no exotic explosives on your person or in your baggage…) is a good thing!
Oh, wait. It was Barulheira who mentioned the possibility! :) (Not Luxor…)
Perhaps you should consider somewhere in South America, RJ?
Hah, South America doesn't appeal to me at all.
Visted the US of A twice many years ago and my second trip was two years after my first expedition. Stayed in NYC but to be fair I would not assess the country by a big city. First time I went down by train to DC for a day trip and coming back while stting in a waiting room I moved to allow a man to be able to sit with his wife. When on the train they got into a goodly chat with me right up to when they got off at Philadelphia. They said if ever back to phone them and would like to meet again (lucky people, eh??). So two years later called them and they were keen to have me down at Philly so said it was fine as it wouldn't effect my hotel stay. They picked me up from the station to go to their suburb and being a rail and tram (street car to you folk) pleased they were very near a route and a tram passed. Spent two nights with them and they asked me to sing both verses of my national Anthem onto a tape and they had a book with Burns poems so were over the moon at getting a Scots accent to read a couple and tape them too. Both were retired journalists. He had been editor of the in-house mag of the then Pennsylvania RR and his wife in a city paper.
We visited the Liberty Bell and as we moved away they asked if I had left a mental message with the bell and I said I had and that it was that I forgave the place for breaking away from us. The nearby security man giggled at that. On the train back an elderly label from a small town got into a chat and discovering I was British and a Scot was delighted and insisted on haring coffee she had an a biscuit and told me not to bother with the buffet car. Funnily on my way down to Philly many on the coach and i had an interesting time and I kept many of their children occupied teaching Scots songs and singing them in between stories. When I got off many waved from the windows. Had hoped to meet an ex-colonist planning for a Brit visit but unfortunately had to be put off.
No doubt all those people I met had the advantage (of course) in meeting me but I couldn't stay long enough to help the rest.......
:( :blush:
:)
You are lucky you don't have to put up with those Scot Nats like here. They think they own Scotland. There was a small group of them standing outside the Scot parliament on Tuesday with flags including one for the Spanish province going on about independence from Spain! When the tv interviewer interviewed them one of the leaders with a wee tufty beard a glengarry and a kilt of course garbled a load of cods-wallop. He had a very anti-English attitude and said that the UK were keeping hold of Scotland because it is a rich place. Made me shake my head when you realise that three-quarters of Scotland's economic existence depends on Gt Britain and Europe only 25%. They come out with this duff guff with all the emotion to use the people who don't use their grey cells enough.He as they always do completely ignored the fact that the GB Government gives a big grant through that Barnet Formula. A woman came out with the same infantile nonsense.
Trouble with our modern Jacobites is they go on and on about independence yet after 10 years in power going nowhere on the issues I brought up.My Scots ancestors fought against the 1745 Jacobite nutters and helped do them in and most of Scots especially in the Lowlands were basic Unionists. So I am continuing that stance on the Unionist corner and the SNP could only get their latest move on wanting another Referendum by using the 10 Green party nutters as they have no overall control of the parliament in Edinburgh. Most of us here are not that interested in going on about another referendum after only just over a couple of years since the last one. Nats are politically emotional but in hard practice a waste of time and is why they keep doing a dance on Scottish weaknesses. The opposition leader Ruth Davidson was right when she took that attitude as well. :knight:
It could be worse, RJ: I'm in California, whose governor is Jerry Brown…
Haha O! An old friend I knew yonks ago here in Glasgow got married back in her twenties and they went to live in California. Her son who lives there too with his wife now sees those two younger ones planning to move from there. However (hehrm, cough, cough) the son and his wife have had enough of California and now intend to move to Gt Britain and more detailed to the Scottish west coast and near to the centre of the Universe here in Glasgow. :whistle:
Sad to recall Jerry Brown's first two terms as governor… (He's our Putin, without the -you know- actually doing anything good for the country! :) ) California has a great climate and all the geographic variety one could want; and -in this case, I'll use the term- a diverse population. Interesting people make an area much more fun!
California has a great climate and all the geographic variety one could want
Except water. Don't forget fresh water.
Well Oakdale I am a fan of President Putin and the lot over the pond need to start growing up. All the nonsense about fiddling your elections and so on. When it comes to control freakery the US is right up there so no good reason for condemning others boy! The USSR is long gone although you wouldn't think so the way your politicals act without any damn proof!
My long friend and husband who have been Californians for decades surprised me last night on an email. She told me her son and his wife had stayed in Scotland for a holiday and were over the moon. The son was over the moon on the way politics are here and not the control of the money barons and the width of the political thing also impressed him as the people were treated first. Now he has also said that once he can sell his home on California he and the wife are definitely leaving to settle in Great Britain and especially Scotland. My good friend says he and his good lady are totally right as her lad had seen a wider society and so on and if fully supportive of him! :cheers:
As usual, I can't really figure out what you're talking about. Perhaps if you'd learn to speak English? Nah!
There is much to be said in favor of Putin (https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/think-vladimir-putin/?utm_campaign=imprimis&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=49317912&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--ZhmkHx97ur5Qw2WL5OG3_dXWNCi61WOILltSvRzF_caB6fGcSeov8egxe9kKMnP_WbW1OChvAXqbMnKd5FXH5vjcv9w&_hsmi=49317912). (None of which would come from you… :) ) But now Democrats are agin' em! :)
I'm sorry to say to those Dems: Russia is a really big country which has many nuclear weapons - mostly targeted at us.
We do have some common interests. We need to make them understand that we won't forgo our interests…
(Of course, most of our Democrats and the vast majority of Europeans think Russia is just another country. That's a big oops, in'it? :) )
You don't do the Trump act nearly as well as Trump does. Try posting in tweet format.
Do you mean he should do it this way? :D
# TRUMP increases sanctions on Russia.
DEMOCRATS: "Putin installed this president! Trump is illegitimate!"
# TRUMP expands wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Somalia, Libya and Syria
DEMOCRATS: "Russia is out to get us!"
# TRUMP dismantles environmental regulations.
DEMOCRATS: "White House distracts from Russia investigation!"
# TRUMP kills worker protection, lowers billionaire taxes.
DEMOCRATS: "Putin's interference cost us the election!"
# TRUMP launches nuclear war with North Korea.
DEMOCRATS: "Russia ate our homework!"
Oakdale's biggest prob replying is ersi is that he is rarely sober so I do try to make allowances but I am good at having a long sigh. :coffee:
All English properties abroad, as in Algarve, will be taxed at 100%. Thanks to Brexit...
:D :D :D
Perfect.
Your corner unfortunately dear man is a poverty nation and depended on the EU and countries like ours having to subsidise you because otherwise you would be bankrupt and even poorer. No capability of looking after yourself. Dear, oh dear what a poor state to be in depending on handouts from outside. :blush:
Well Oakdale I am a fan of President Putin and the lot over the pond need to start growing up. All the nonsense about fiddling your elections and so on. When it comes to control freakery the US is right up there so no good reason for condemning others boy! The USSR is long gone although you wouldn't think so the way your politicals act without any damn proof!
I mostly agree with you about much of this,
RJ. Particularly about the mostly legal propaganda efforts (that we too use…) to "influence" elections in other countries.
The problem for our Democrats is that nothing that was "leaked" was false… In short, Hillary and Clinton cronies cost them the election. Not to mention a quite savvy campaign by Trump.
(I
still don't buy that the Russians "hacked" the DNC. Or that their efforts had any expectation of helping Trump.)
But I don't understand why you're a fan of Putin… Perhaps you could explain? (Some others too may be confused.)
Of course, I'm not actually confused… :)
Well it is good to hear what you said there Oakdale and glad of it in general. Thanks for it by the way. As to why I like President Putin may I indicate this.
He is popular and gets an 80% rating and none of our politicians here on this island or the States or in Europe get that. He is very responsible for getting hifs federation away from the old regime days and into a generally wider and capitalist direction. Even in the latter days of the USSR it was head shaking to see queues at shops and bakers for things like even bread. Travelling on roads was easy as most cars were used by the Communist party bosses and officials, etc. Today big cities like Moscow and St Petersburg have giant traffic problems due to the armies of motor cars on the streets. St Petersburg even cut many of the tramway lines in the city centre because of the pressure. Unlike the dictatorship days surf around the streets and see shops, restaurants, hotels, commercialism everywhere.
He has also been very clever at touching on the deep patriotism Russians have and he has cleverly added to that y brining back old pre-1917 obvious things. The flag the Imperial Coat of Arms flag, ceremonial uniforms from the same days and even the Presidential Guard Cavalry has the old uniform styles as doe the guards when you see him enter to take the Presidential oath of office. Passing things I know but popular and the widening of opportunity, business, pride of country have been outstandingly appreciated. Putin is very intelligent based on his education and legal training and I watched a documentary including when he visited a tv station and sat with half a dozen editors answering their questions. He does the same on a far wider basis every year (none ours in the West doe this do we?). It lasts for hours and he takes any question and answers in detail. Clever and he has changed and moved Russia far from the evil and terrible days of Communist dictatorship.
He was and is the right man and the change from the red days is colossal. I rest my case stance.
(ps. The most popular person we have in our system is the Monarch and she has 80% rating ....)
He is very responsible for getting hifs federation away from the old regime days and into a generally wider and capitalist direction.
Source?
He has also been very clever at touching on the deep patriotism Russians have and he has cleverly added to that y brining back old pre-1917 obvious things. The flag the Imperial Coat of Arms flag, ceremonial uniforms from the same days and even the Presidential Guard Cavalry has the old uniform styles as doe the guards when you see him enter to take the Presidential oath of office.
Well, since you have it upside down, there can't be any source, so don't bother looking for it. Namely, "old pre-1917 obvious things" such as Czarist anthem were adopted under Yeltsin, not under Putin. Putin changed the anthem back to the USSR anthem and emphasises Stalinist elements of past culture rather than Czarist.
No you are wrong ersi about the Russian anthem matter. Up until 1917 the national Anthem was God Save the Tsar with brief words on him. Yeltsin never brought that tune back it was an alternative. But more recently the old Soviet tune was returned and suitable wording. As I pointed out it was Imperial uniforms the imperial coat of arms that were brought back. They look smart and each year at the mass parade to mark the success of WW2 tunes played by the band are in fact Imperial ones as well! Indeed I have a cd of a whole selection of each of the regimental marches of the tsar's list of Guard regiments and I hear them played from time to time at that event and other ones (available on the net with English language notes and played by the Admiralty Band). The Russian Federation white red and blue flag is the Imperial Empire flag too. :king: :happy:
No you are wrong ersi about the Russian anthem matter.
Not too wrong though. The thing is, Yeltsin in fact dropped the Soviet anthem and tried to officially adopt a tune from Czarist era, whereas Putin later reaffirmed the Soviet anthem. And all those elements you name were also adopted under Yeltsin, not under Putin. Putin has made a clear move towards Stalinism. Not that you'd know the difference, of course.
Do you mean to say, ersi, that "Uncle Joe" wasn't the savior of the Soviet Union? :)
Do you mean to say, ersi, that "Uncle Joe" wasn't the savior of the Soviet Union? :)
You mean in the sense of putting Soviet Union out of its misery? In this sense Uncle Sam needs saving too and Trump is the man to do it.
Edit: Oh, by "Uncle Joe" you mean apparently Stalin, not Uncle Sam. See, I didn't even understand who you were talking about. Nobody here calls Stalin this way. We call him Stalin.
Not that this will get through to your skull. Your skull is full of uncle figures, but mine has no place for them. Pretty fantastic how you are able to talk past reality.
Nice try at an anthem dance ersi. Calling a tune from before 1917 is not the same as the national anthem situ you came up with and I did state the fact.
As for that utter nonsense about Putin is kind of typical from a Yankee quarter. You lot think you have some given principled right to police the world. You also lead in the support for real dictatorships like Saudi Arabia but then that is okay as they scucummb to your corporate mind controllers. For a country lie yours and the shameful record it has including internbally you have a nerve accusing some other place of being terrible. It does not matter a two penny damn who runs America the infringements of rights over a dozen spy agencies spying on people and their rights under that wonderful constitution boasted about, over two million in jail and over forty million poor it does not make a difference who is in the White house. For all it's internal problems Russia has been moving since the days of the USSR dictatorship whether you like to hear that or not. When you look at that defaming list I gave on US historical hypocrisy it is a nerve trying to bombast modern Russia which is moving in the right way whether mind controlled folk like you want to accept it or not.
You can boast about President Trump going to make a difference but he won't. He has already contradicted all those mouthy statements he made during the election campaign and fine you know it. He is no different from previous Presidents who make challenging claims then once in the White House slowly give into the system. The President of America just before the 1st World War actually complimented the Tsar on the direction the Empire was going in!
No, you didn't state a fact. You are unable distinguish between Stalinist and Czarist stuff. That's a fact.
As for me, I know first hand that they played different stuff under Yeltsin and that Yeltsin moderately promoted Czarist nostalgia, whereas now under Putin they are playing the Soviet anthem again, even though it was the Soviet anthem (given that RSFSR and USSR are different things). You know hardly anything about any thing on this list.
Howie, enjoy your snap election, June 8th! (BBC explains it here (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39629603?utm_source=jolt&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Jolt_4/18/2017&utm_term=Jolt)…)
Don't need your suggested help on election info Oakdale as I am not an American and naturally brighter :whistle: ......
Good, then! Jolly good. May calls for a general election almost three years early, because she fears your "wider" democracy will likely crash and burn if she doesn't get all the sheeple to support her now… (Actually, all that would happen is that she'd lose her position — which, at this point. she's willing to risk.) Glad to know you keep up with such things!
BTW: Which direction is Whitehall from Glasgow? :) (Please borrow a sense of humor before answering that question.)
I do not need to borrow humour whatsoever dear ex-colonist. Just a pity having suffered what passes for education over there you aren't able to work it out. :rolleyes:
Pity, that either your reluctance to beg or your fellows' stinginess resulted in your usual pap… :)
Tell me, obi-wan Howie: What happens if May is told she mayn't? Who become the leader of your government?
This matches well with my view on how colonial powers redraw the map of the world, to their own ultimate self-defeat https://youtu.be/S328nyn8Dc8?t=190
I do try to make allowances for you being a yank who doesn't know much about outside the ex-colonies but bordering on the stupid poor man?? If the Tories have the most MP's it will be her and party and if Labour that nutjob, Corbyn. Two General elections we had a coalition government and something that couldn't happen in corporate controlled America. I will be surprised if Mrs May and her Conservative & Unionist Party does not win the UK General Election (as do most pundits). Our system has a broader political embrace than your semi-democracy and even smaller parties have MP's on Commons Standing Committees. You lot talk about democracy whereas we have it.
The UK doesn't exist anymore.
That's a good thing.
Are you drunk or just waxing in Iberian dopiness? The UK does exist and will continue to be united.
I will be surprised if Mrs May and her Conservative & Unionist Party does not win the UK General Election (as do most pundits). Our system has a broader political embrace than your semi-democracy and even smaller parties have MP's on Commons Standing Committees. You lot talk about democracy whereas we have it.
I will be surprised if an new referendum for Scotland to leave the UK isn't put before the voters well before the "recent" 2020 scheduled general election… :)
Are you so sure, after the pain of Brexit begins, that it will fail?
Tell me,
RJ: What is the point of your so-called "wider" democracy?
The UK does exist and will continue to be united.
:lol:
The Sun presents evidence of racism in Russia by showing neo-nazies in Kiev (Ukraine). :D
https://www.thesun.co.uk/video/football/dynamo-kiev-fans-produce-shock-racially-aggravated-display-in-defeat-to-shakhtar-donetsk/
Don't know why you are chortling Belfrager where you come from. That is more a a ebg bowling laugh
Is England part of this thread, the "United" Kingdom??
A 95 years old Prince reaches the end.
It happens... specially at 95.
My respects for Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh.
Yes the Royal consort has been a very remarkable man. Amongst his record is the creation of the Duke of Edinburgh Award Scheme for young people at three levels. As a captain in one of our youth organisations (The Boys' Brigade) I had three 15 and 16 year olds who got the award. It has been taken part in across the globe too.
Ice-is? Britain issues terrorism warning for Antarctica (https://www.sott.net/article/351178-Fear-hits-bottom-Britain-issues-terrorism-warning-for-travelers-to-Antarctica)
Watch out for the Islamic State Polar Brigade!!!
:lol:
A word for Manchester, terrorism will never win.
At such moments there's no divergence between us.
Touche.
Theresa May caught lying about cats and immigration
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXM7DzeMLe4[/video]
Theresa May's £10bn NHS lie
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBGSxqLCCO8[/video]
Will she make it into the charts?
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_CtoRhTvNA[/video]
Unknown point but amusing.
A word for Manchester, terrorism will never win.
At such moments there's no divergence between us.
Momentary "solidarity" is no salve…
Momentary "solidarity" is no salve...
Selling 110 billion dollars in military equipment for terrorism supporters seems to be....
I assume you mean the Saudis? Or perhaps you mean the Israelis?
Do you mean to say that neither of them buy your vegetables? Truth be told, I don't think you know what you mean; and you dare not consider it… Inconsequential pundits residing in inconsequential States which occupy inconsequential status in an increasingly inconsequential part of the world say inconsequential things regularly! What else can they do? :)
I assume you mean the Saudis? Or perhaps you mean the Israelis?
I assume that it doesn't need a genius to realize who was meant. Does it?
With whom did your president signed arms deals worth $110bn which over the next 10 yeras will expand to $350bn?
Speaking about the Saudis and US foreign policy:
HILARIOUS & PAINFUL: Query on Saudi Democracy Causes Longest Awkward Pause in State Dept History
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIthGk3SNnU[/video]
Oakdale follows his idiot leader and started "covfefering"... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Will she make it into the charts?
I can answer now my own question. :)
That was fast.
She is number four in the Official UK Top 40 Singles Chart (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles)!
What a shame, the BBC refuses to play back the soundtrack (https://youtu.be/HxN1STgQXW8).
Congrats. I'll keep my fingers crossed for Theresa. She deserves to become number 1 of the Official UK Top 40 Singles Chart.
That figure of poor children here is a load of bollocks.
Are you drunk or just waxing in Iberian dopiness? The UK does exist and will continue to be united.
Yes, that massive march for independence in your beloved Glasgow clearly proves how committed your lot are to remaining united. :rolleyes:
Nice try sonny but can I draw your attention to the following as you are from a country run by a bampot.
They have stolen the Scottish saltire flag.
Some carried that traditional yellow flag with the lion on it which is NOT an national flag but a Royal flag!
Did you see mass crowds coming out to stand on the pavements to egg them on? (nope)
At the park were there massive crowds there? nope.
At the UK general election they can guff all they like but there is a sloping down the way. At the last Scottish Parliament Elections the Tory vote shot up and they doubled their MEPS from 15 to 31 becoming the official Opposition kicking Labour away. At the recent Local Councils Elections the staunch Conservative & Unionist Party vote also shot up and they won a massive number of councillors. There is what is it only one town council that the Nats control and lost votes. The latest estimation is that at the General election this Thursday the 50% votes will slip down to 43%. The SNP will remain the largest party re Westminster at Scotland level BUT they will lose MP's and their deputy leader is under threat in the north east of Scotland.
One of the speakers at that sloppy looking walk through Glasgow was actually a neo-Marxist who jumps on any bandwagon but goes nowhere. At that last Scots parliament Election last year I should also inform you that the SNP lost overall control and when they raised wanting another Referendum they could not get it through due to the opposition but they eventually succeeded by the Green party (daft lot) voting with the SNP to get it through!
The SNP merged all Scotland's police forces into one State control and it has been a damn mess with inefficiencies and massive heavy debts. Education the national Health Service and the Education corners have declined. Ten years in power and they have been too busy yapping about independence they have made things worse and having to use those lefty nutters in the wee Green party corner?!
On the first Saturday of July there will be a far better organised and well dressed parade with nearly 60 bands and look more impressive and I will be there in my dark suit bowler hat and wearing you-know-what. We have emotional daft people here waxing about how much better we would do as an independent country yet after 10 years in power the Nats have messed up everything and we at one time were in the top places for education years ago. The emotional daft people here can waffle all they like and be modern Jacobites but they are not going to get a break from Gt Britain and as you already have a groan job running things over the pond I will not make it worse sending you Sturgeon. She has lost a lot of interest as people are getting fed up with her not doing enough for the country.
Maybe you should ask yourself why the people at the speeches at that duff even were not big numbers and why there was hardly anybody coming to watch them.
Born a Unionist and will die one.
Proud to be Scots AND British! :knight: :yes:
An attack against the UK but an attack against the free world, says the Brexit people. The free world they wanted to separate from.
Deal alone with it. Terrorists are a bit less stupid than Trump.
Come what May... (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/448483/will-theresa-may-try-stay-prime-minister) :)
I assume RJ is in shock! And feeling none too pleased with his nation's "wide democracy".
Drowning Street 10
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It's reported that the Torries --keeping May as PM-- will form a coalition government -- with Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party! (And, of course, the SNP took a substantial hit...so it's not all bad from RJ's point of view.)
Tories dear OakdaleFTL not Torries!
Yers i am disappointed that the labour lot who have become so 1970's style lefty bananas did so well however there is a big but. They did not win the election and the Conservative & unionist party were dozens of seats ahead of the Labour bunch of would be Bolsheviks. May I also say that there is NOT a coalition government at all either Oakdale. It is an informal thing with Ulster's Democratic Unionist Party to ensure May has an overall majority over the opposition corner.
Here in Scotland the Tories did exceptionally well and went from 1 MP to 13 and labour to 7 then thirdly the Liberal democrats. The Tories under the Scots conservative leader Ruth Davidson did astoundingly well unlike the Conservatives down south in the rest of the UK. The resurgence of our Scots Tories was a boost for the UK Conservative government. Our Tories won over the Deputy SNP leader and that lot's leader in Westminster parliament throwing not only him out but the former other big-headed clown Salmond who lost his seat to the Scots Conservatives too. The rubbish about another Scots Referendum hammered the nationalists so well done the Tories in Scotland.
For all the media frenzy about Labour at UK level that is a lot of nonsense, Yes there vote and number of MP's were up but the Tories still had dozens more MP's than Labour as well as an increased vote. Indeed Labour's MP level was just the same as when Brown was labour PM. The increasingly Socialist tripe in the Labour corner is acting as if they had won!Oh and another thing about the Democratic unionist Party in N. Ireland. They returned the most MP's and votes.
As our local Tories up here did so blistering well going up from 1 seat I am going to have a special meal and raise a glass of diet Irn Bru or a diet Pepsi) to congratulate my Scots Tories for upsetting the SNP and throwing out those 2 top nationalists and others too! :yes: :hat:
I am going to have a special meal and raise a glass of diet Irn Bru or a diet Pepsi
Diet Irn Bru
or diet Pepsi? Why don't you just mix them both in a bigger glass?
It should taste like the outcome of the elections. :)
Never mix my drinks dear man!
My corner still got the most MP's UK-wise and most votes also doing well up here in Scotland so very chuffed. Mind you it is tempting to wonder what diet Pepsi and diet Irn Bru mixed would taste like but worried in case ended up like OakdaleFTL..... :faint:
/Entered thread expecting
@rjhowie to be crowing about the Tories basically ending the Scots Nats dream of a 2nd referendum
/Did not leave disappointed
Mentioned that aspect in another thread. I would also remind that the Scots Tories also surged into a massive increase in Councillors in the recent Local Authority Elections and well into three figures. The haggis bashers did have a concious decline and even in those Local Council elections could not control virtually all the towns and cities due to the others blocking them. The SNP is going the right way...down.
Proud to be British and Scots!
Pray tell, Mr. Howie, what caused the Tory surge up north? The prospect of another referendum and detestment of Labour?
The Labour Party is nominally "unionist" but a great many people were not impressed due to the UK leadership of that Bolshevik, Corbyn. Many decades ago the Tories were very string here then went into a decline but when ruth Davidson took over she was a new breathe. Came from an ordinary background and school, then to university, served in the voluntary territorial Army etc. A breath of fresh air and popular. She stormed up from 15 MSP's in the Scottish parliament bumping Labour and the Liberal democrats to 31 and became the official opposition. Then at the town council elections stormed into second place again going up over 160 councillors. Niw from one MP to 13. The SNP lost a third of their vote and MSP's (hooray!) That Bolshie clown down south Corbyn blew hot and cold on another Indy Referendum which didn't help that lot up here and Davidson was seen as a really upfront Unionist. There were other seats the SNP came near to losing and two leading lights in that Brigadoon corner have suggested that wee mouth in the high heels (so you can see her) have suggested the SNP cools down ion independence. Even the poorest councillor seat in Scotland returned a Scottish Conservative & Unionist to the town council!
With fewer councillors, MSP's and MP's along with a drastic vote downward trend hallelujah! :D
I wonder how much will it take to get all the British properties and real state in the Continent to be nationalized...
I have plans for all those British Villas in Algarve ... :D
Brexit Now!
nationalised/ How dated is that thinking. And anyway Europe also needs business with Gt Britain I may remind. We are not Portugal.
And anyway Europe also needs business with Gt Britain I may remind.
You probably meant the UK. Whatever, you are right. We need someone to sell our crap and so do the Britons. :)
We are not Portugal.
:sing: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Are_the_Champions)
Tut, tut, krake. I thought you were a slightly brighter ex-colonist. Gt Britain was our founding name before all this modern American stuff of abbreviating. ;)
Hey, RJ, what do you think about this guy (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450428/jacob-rees-moggs-conservative-party-leadership-moggmentum)?
Hi OakdaleFTL...eh - what guy??
Can't you see the link?
No I don't.
Weird. ???
How about this. Click on this link (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450428/jacob-rees-moggs-conservative-party-leadership-moggmentum)? :up:
Right, thanks got the link.
Whom were you on about Oakdale - was it Freddie Mercury? If it passingly was then had no time for him!
eh - what guy??
I guess you don't actually live in the UK: Much that goes on there escapes your notice — unless it's prominently featured on the telly! (Would you like me to redact one 'l'? You gave me a hard time about "torry"… :) )
What guy? Hm. Probably your next conservative PM. But never mind: Scots are not important for matters of state.
Wrong as usual dear ex-colonist. Way back in the days of Empire Scots were great administrators of it and in more modern times a whole selection of Scots have been outstanding in the GB parliament. but there again being a Yankee you lot don't know much about the outside world. Every time Yankeeland is involved in some regular military thing or confrontation hen your citizenry are asked about where it is re street tv interviews they are mostly blank. Unfortunately for some God forsaken reason we constantly get groaned with internal USA news which is ridiculous. However as you are a regular i wil let you know we are 3,000 miles away across what is called the Atlantic Ocean. Happy to be of help.
These days, they better keep miles away from anywhere else. :left: :right:
:yes:
Howie, you misunderstand me (or as GW would have said, "You misunderestimate"… :) )
Being bureaucrats and cannon fodder does not make you statesmen.
I do, I do OakdaleFTL and the Presidents you have had actually prove that last statement! :P
Brexit puts a final end point at this thread.
We finally get rid of anglo saxons.
Did they exit the Earth? :right:
Of course. When the Brits says they'll Brexit, they don't fool around :left:
Being a European and Portuguese Belfager it is not just the Anglo Saxons but the Scots, Welsh and Ulster people. I will try nd make allowances for your double background.
Did they exit the Earth? :right:
Hope so...
At least we could afford to whereas your wee place is short of money and depends on the Euro begging bowl. :P
‘Cheddar Man,’ Britain’s Oldest Skeleton, Had Dark Skin, DNA Shows (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/07/world/europe/uk-cheddar-man-skeleton-skin.html)
He is from Somerset, England, allegedly 10,000 years ago.
(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2018/02/08/world/europe/08cheddarman2/merlin_133414058_1130717b-287f-4773-b390-a46eee5e32df-master768.jpg)
So they are guessing.
Not much anymore, no. Mind you, it would be shocking if the first group of Europeans, apart from the Neandertals, were not black. The Neandertals had been here much longer, more than 100,000 years in case of Britain, and they were fair-skinned, and it seems mostly red-headed (based on too small sample to really tell). This man is relatively recent, and it seems they haven't lightened up yet.
It was far more surprising to find the combination of dark skin and blue eyes, which a fair share of this population seem to have had. Other populations may have had more conventional looks, Ancient DNA sheds light on the mysterious origins of the first Scandinavians (https://theconversation.com/ancient-dna-sheds-light-on-the-mysterious-origins-of-the-first-scandinavians-89703). During many of these periods Britain would have been a part of the mainland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doggerland).
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/09/Doggerland3er_en.png/1280px-Doggerland3er_en.png)
When farming spread to Europe from the Middle East, it seems to have spread with the farmers, these indigenous hunter-gatherers don't seem to have taken up farming to any major extent.
Even if they were a form of black still distinct say from Africa.
He is from Somerset, England, allegedly 10,000 years ago.
That guy is a skeleton. Everything else is pure imagination based in "DNA tests suggest".
DNA tests suggest whatever we want.
The funny part is that, even black, he has blue eyes... I suppose that samples from the stomach "suggest" that he used to drink tea at five o'clock.
Double Russian spies are poisoned by... Russian services? How surprising...
That's what English says... ohh it seems that here's no more double agents for the "Crown".
007 please comeback. Teach these idiots some lessons.
The media and parliament are going daft and like a bunch of clowns. Maybe we should total people taken out by the CIA as a comparison.....? :idea:
The crime situation and the dozens of killing since the start of the year is horrific. Years ago there were moans from non-whites about stop and search. In one Burgh well over a decade ago there were moans on that subject and the police commander who got slagged off had tried to nicely point out the majority of the population were black and brown hence those young got stopped more often. Even now London is no longer what could be mused as a traditional English city and the racial balance has tilted the other way. Not so long ago - this year in fact that ridiculous man who is the Mayor of the city said it was a safe place. Yeah right.
EU countries ban travel from UK after spread of new virus strain (https://www.ft.com/content/7a038624-bca1-44e7-93db-77a9b94a8bbf) (new virus strain in UK, specifically).
new virus strain in UK
Xmas is cancelled, full-blown panic has set in.
new virus strain in UK
Xmas is cancelled, full-blown panic has set in.
No deal Brexit to follow soon too, don’t forget.
No deal Brexit to follow soon too, don't forget.
Yeah I know. :mad:
Not to worry, Boris the buffoon thinks it's all a jolly wheeze. :doh:
Read in the Guardian this morning that deliveries from the UK to Ireland (RoI) went rather smoothly this morning.