Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

The EU toppled a dictatorship with a tiny bit of economic pressure? If so, inertia my ass.

Ukrainians are Slavs aren't they?

Quote from: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-28, 13:01:25

Let me remind what happened in Georgia. Russian peacekeepers were located in South Ossetia since 1992. Saakashvilli decided that it will be good idea to attack them.

"Blah-blah-blah, blah-blah-blah"...
"Watch our russian television - the ultimate truth to the Universe!":faint:

While I do think we need a European defense force, I'm of the opinion that our empire is built on inherently superior foundations to those of the classical empires of the US and Russia.

Not invading Iraq or Georgia on a whim is one of our defining characteristics.

Ukraine should have mobilised itself immediately, but didn't.

Retaining the gas means there's no punishment at all, obviously.

Quote from: ersi on 2014-03-28, 08:57:52

The West because they are idiots

I'm probably an idiot too, or hopefully just ignorant, but what would you propose to oppose the bully without venturing into bully territory yourself?

Anyway, you think "radical nationalist leader" sounds positive? Or any of this?

"But the rise of Right Sector is not only worrying Moscow but also some Western government officials. Some believe Right Sector is a safe haven for right-wing extremists and even Ukrainian neo-Nazis."

"But it's also easy to worry about Right Sector's true ideological leanings when you see the red-and-black flags, stylized insignia and other paraphernalia of its militiamen."

When "we" do it, it's liberation

I probably could, including the fact that Volgov is given a sounding board in the very article, but I'm alluding to these kinds of misleading spins and a few more I've come across since.

What I said they might very well be right about is this:

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The Ukrainian media watchdog claims that Russian information content is “threatening Ukraine’s national security, sovereignty and territorial integrity, promoting war, violence, cruelty, spreading interethnic and racial hostility, encouraging religious strife, encroaching on human rights and freedoms.”

There's nothing democratic about invasion and annexation. You are quoting a thing that Putin had nothing to do with.

If Russia Today is any indication, they're probably right.

they direct propaganda at the opposite side and block the propaganda from there. Nothing extraordinary about it.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference, and impart information and ideas through any media regardless of frontiers"

Quote from: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-25, 08:33:25

Tymoshenko may say true. For me logic of conversion makes more sense if she would say "Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians".

My logic tells me something else.
If Tymoshenko would have said "Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians" then Shufrych wouldn't had any reason to deny the conversation

Quote from: sergey-pypyrev on 2014-03-24, 19:22:51

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

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Shufrych's press service flatly contradicted Tymoshenko, slamming the tape as fake. The press release reads "The conversation didn't take place," as quoted by korrespondent.net.

Who is lying?
Shufrych who claims that the conversation didn't take place?
Tymoshenko who confirmed the authenticity of the conversation but claims that some part of it was edited?

As it looks both of them are lying.

Tymoshenko confirmed the authenticity of the conversation on Twitter, while pointing out that a section where she is heard to call for the nuclear slaughter of the eight million Russians who remain on Ukrainian territory was edited.

She tweeted “The conversation took place, but the '8 million Russians in Ukraine' piece is an edit. In fact, I said Russians in Ukraine – are Ukrainians. Hello FSB Sorry for the obscene language.”

Anyway, here ERR in Crimea: Pro-Ukrainian Voters Boycotted Referendum

Kannel said voting was more active in polling stations in Russian-speaking areas.

She said that many people have taken to the streets to celebrate the result, with bands playing music and people shouting.

To quibble about figures, the turnout of voters could not have been so high, as Ukrainians and Tatarians were opposed the referendum for obvious reasons.

Sochi is conveniently placed between Russian-controlled Abkhazia and Russian-controlled Crimea, a few hours drive from either.

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it's about Russia's ambitions to get back the borders of Soviet Union (or of Russian Empire, that makes about the same territory).

It's worse than that. Putin wants Alaska back, something that I support if Sarah Palin goes along as a part of the deal.

Quote from: krake on 2014-03-23, 09:38:47

Not only for their language IMHO but the prospect of austerity that will be imposed by the IMF was an important factor as well.

Thus I can conclude you consider the Crimean majority socialists.
In the Greek~antiEU turmoil sense. Because you must be either an idiot (aka socialist) or dying from starvation right about now - or both - to oppose meaningful measures sensible for the future of your country.

I will as soon as you tell me how you determine reliability of news sources. First: What makes Ukrainian Pravda questionable?