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Title: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-05-30, 15:38:40
The clouds of war are gathering; while politicians distract themselves with football hooligans, the Micronation of Enclava is on the move and seizing vast territories for it's King, HIs Majesty Prince (TBD).

It is expected that a United Nations Peace-keeping force consisting of San Marino and the NYPD armed forces will be sent to restore calm.

Enclava on the move (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101307/Micro-state-Enclava-moves-200-miles-territory-claimed-new-nation.html)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-05-30, 16:29:51
Sure, why not? The last one was so much fun they decided to have another. (Well, that explanation seems to have worked well enough to explain WW2.)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-05-30, 19:00:48

I've sent in an application for citizenship and you can, too.
http://enclava.org (http://enclava.org)
Our flag....
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alltheflags.us%2Fimg%2Fp%2F17806-16166-thickbox.jpg&hash=a8e4b4b634140d007b6b2882a4d2a271" rel="cached" data-hash="a8e4b4b634140d007b6b2882a4d2a271" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.alltheflags.us/img/p/17806-16166-thickbox.jpg)

Don't believe the below statement. It's Slovenian propaganda.
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As news spread of his new nation online 5,000 people signed up for citizenship, but the fledgling country was obliterated shortly afterwards when the Slovenian foreign ministry announced that the territory belonged to them.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101307/ (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3101307/)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-05-30, 19:13:01
Has anyone else heard of this shocking news?

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ENCLAVA — President Vladimir V. Putin sought to transform the burgeoning scandal over corruption in soccer’s international governing body into an extension of the confrontation between Russia and Eclava on Thursday, accusing the it of global overreach.


(http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/29/sports/vladimir-putin-fifa-corruption-soccer.html[/url)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-05-30, 23:19:08
When the next European war becomes necessary, the rich nations will pay the poor nations to have it for them.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2015-05-31, 01:52:11

When the next European war becomes necessary, the rich nations will pay the poor nations to have it for them.


Not far off TT........it will be because of economics, & the rich, as always, will finance both sides.....but claim the high moral ground.

It's Déjà vu all over again!

As it was with WWII, a contrived war   --  contrived by Britain & the Central Banks  --  the once Great Britain is looking to war to reestablish itself & it's economy. Europe is Britain's 'Bad Boy Poster-child' once again (last time it was only Germany at first, but soon all the 'Axis Powers' became their targets too).

The following is history, & those that don't care to learn from it will be doomed to relive it. 

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Once again, Germany's industrial output became a threat to Great Britain.

    "Should Germany merchandise (do business) again in the next 50 years we have led this war (WW1) in vain." - Winston Churchill in The Times (1919)

    "We will force this war upon Hitler, if he wants it or not." - Winston Churchill (1936 broadcast)

    "Germany becomes too powerful. We have to crush it." - Winston Churchill (November 1936 speaking to US - General Robert E. Wood)

   "This war is an English war and its goal is the destruction of Germany." - Winston Churchill (- Autumn 1939 broadcast)

Germany's state-issued value based currency was also a direct threat to the wealth and power of the private central banks, and as early as 1933 they started to organize a global boycott against Germany to strangle this upstart ruler who thought he could break free of private central bankers!

As had been the case in World War One, Great Britain and other nations threatened by Germany's economic power looked for an excuse to go to war, and as public anger in Germany grew over the boycott, Hitler foolishly gave them that excuse. Years later, in a spirit of candor, the real reasons for that war were made clear.

    "The war wasn't only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to."
- Winston Churchill to Truman (Fultun, USA March 1946)

    "Germany's unforgivable crime before WW2 was its attempt to loosen its economy out of the world trade system and to build up an independent exchange system from which the world-finance couldn't profit anymore. ...We butchered the wrong pig." -Winston Churchill (The Second World War - Bern, 1960)




What is the British Government possibly considering conjuring up now?

Threatening to withdraw from the European Union, getting all the central banks to side with them, & then I would think there might be plenty of excuses for Britain to throw a WWII style contrived 'Pity Party' & beg for world help because the 'European Bad Boys', who will be struggling to survive an economic debacle & union unrest on their home-fronts, are threatening them.......sound familiar?

Cameron set to threaten Brussels that he is prepared to leave the EU if Britain does not get its way

Quote from:      http://goo.gl/a4MSaf    

   
   *  The Prime Minister may issue threat at next month's Tory Party conference

   *  Mr Cameron has pledged to hold a referendum on EU membership by 2017

   * He wants to renegotiate Britain's relationship with Brussels before vote

   * It has emerged he is now prepared to leave if powers aren't returned to UK......





Is it  Déjà vu all over again? .............................

Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-05-31, 04:26:14
Have you ever heard something so pitifully stupid, nonsensical and lack of a brain re that tripe from Smiley??

Not that you would know it due to your limited grey cells dear osteoporosis supporter. This country was not ready for a war. Our Prime Minister tried to avoid having one knowing full well the history of WW1. He travelled to see Hitler twice and you come out with this drivel? We were badly bombed  in the major cities and large numbers died in the air attacks. By the end of the war the cost ran us into the ground not just in lives but infrastructure, rail, everything. Money was borrowed from America and not paid off until modern times so you made a profit from WW2 we did not. War although delayed by us was coming and the Polish agreement had to be followed while your lot stayed out for ages so we fought on virtually alone.  You are an embarrassment to your fellow countrymen and as you are a terror supporter an unprincipled oaf. Your misuse of historyand rat bag stuff at the lowest is disgusting. Shame on you!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Sparta on 2015-05-31, 04:50:12
in my point of view , at that time , Britain and German is ally nor have close relationship  .

but the Britain is confused , between stay in the alliance with germany  , with risk got many enemies from another country .
or .. get out of alliance with risk must face germany .

thus , Hitler using the same methode as  Tokugawa Ieyasu   Radical methode in sekigahara with  to fire at Kobayakawa's position on Mount Matsuo in order to force Kobayakawa to make his choice .

to know wether Britain support them or against them .

so , Hitler decided to Bombard the Britain .

but unluckily , the Britain respond is the opposite of Tokugawa Ieyasu tale .
rather than make a confused army turn to their side .
the Britain decided to against them , and joined the anti-fascist alliance    ( france , The U.S , Russia , etc ) .

Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-05-31, 05:32:11
I say, SF, surely you have ignored Churchill's greatest achievement: convincing the Americans that the attack on Pearl Harbour was the work of the Japanese.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-05-31, 09:16:30
Relax, boys, relax! Take a break and watch a soothing little video.
Love each other as Jesus loves you.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jokV8xlJTNE[/video]
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-05-31, 18:42:55
Yes, before we  degenerate into civil war, let's examine this independent country a little further.

I was struck by the remark in the link I have that anyone can define a new country.

If that is true on the physical world it should certainly be true on the virtual world.

So we could have the

Kingdom of DnD.

We would immediately have two political parties, the Royalists and the Republicans. So that's sorted until we have our first election.

As it turns out we have a smattering of a government already.

If we start as a kingdom then maybe Sang should be king (it would serve him right for being so anti Royalty) or maybe Queen since that's ambiguous.

I would put Frans as the Labor minister because he does all the work, mjm as transport minister Luxor as our Entertainments manager and Jax as our Information Minister.

Smileyface is the obvious choice for the army, and bearing in mind the importance of the saying that any publicity is good publicity rjhowie as our foreign minister in charge of diplomacy.

Who else, well someone else have a go!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-05-31, 20:51:45

Yes, before we  degenerate into civil war, let's examine this independent country a little further.

I was struck by the remark in the link I have that anyone can define a new country.

If that is true on the physical world it should certainly be true on the virtual world.

So we could have the

Kingdom of DnD.

We would immediately have two political parties, the Royalists and the Republicans. So that's sorted until we have our first election.

As it turns out we have a smattering of a government already.

If we start as a kingdom then maybe Sang should be king (it would serve him right for being so anti Royalty) or maybe Queen since that's ambiguous.

I would put Frans as the Labor minister because he does all the work, mjm as transport minister Luxor as our Entertainments manager and Jax as our Information Minister.

Smileyface is the obvious choice for the army, and bearing in mind the importance of the saying that any publicity is good publicity rjhowie as our foreign minister in charge of diplomacy.

Who else, well someone else have a go!

Whichever side I am nominated for, let me go ahead and announce my intentions to run for Head of the Treasury. (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-hash="665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)
I nominate you, String, to be Deputy Minister, so as we'll have a semi-checks 'n balances system.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-05-31, 23:33:05
I will be Minister for Arts and Culture.
Edit: not to neglect Minister for Sartorial Restraint.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-01, 05:32:25
With such Government, I'll be the Opposition.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-01, 08:02:04
Quote from: Colonel Rebel
Whichever side I am nominated for, let me go ahead and announce my intentions to run for Head of the Treasury.
I nominate you, String, to be Deputy Minister, so as we'll have a semi-checks 'n balances system.

A brave choice Colonel; I suggest you start running straight away.

I can't be Deputy Minister for Treasury because I can't count. I was hoping to be the voter so I could vote everyone else out of office.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-01, 09:05:50
Sorry boys, it's too late.

(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fi.guim.co.uk%2Fmedia%2Fw-620%2Fh--%2Fq-95%2Fea8b070d786dd81608e04d0d860c05357b500ee9%2F0_67_1240_744%2F1000.jpg&hash=5a3e47ec43f4f7c5b8f6503f1996847c" rel="cached" data-hash="5a3e47ec43f4f7c5b8f6503f1996847c" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://i.guim.co.uk/media/w-620/h--/q-95/ea8b070d786dd81608e04d0d860c05357b500ee9/0_67_1240_744/1000.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-01, 19:00:56
That must be our treasurer-elect at work.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-02, 01:45:07

That must be our treasurer-elect at work.

*cough* *cough*  Just a bit of inventory.    :D :cheers:

No worries.



/Inb4 rjhowie rant about Yankees controlling the money    :whistle:
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-05, 08:21:05
My first aim would be to get the Defence Minister sacked for being a warmonger.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-05, 13:51:54
Edit: not to neglect Minister for Sartorial Restraint.

With a blue head and orange beak!?! I don't think so.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-05, 13:55:03
Getting back to the question of another war in Europe.

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“This war, like the next war, is a war to end war.” David Lloyd George


I find this fascinating. My effort in the Second World War involved going from house to house collecting old newspapers and tin cans in my little red wagon.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.radioflyer.com%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F1%2Fsmall_image%2F219x200%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95%2Fc%2Fl%2Fclassic-red-wagon-model-18.jpg&hash=b23ca92c719244ea4d2b53e44e72317f" rel="cached" data-hash="b23ca92c719244ea4d2b53e44e72317f" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.radioflyer.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/small_image/219x200/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/l/classic-red-wagon-model-18.jpg)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/11519746/Take-a-tour-of-the-biggest-purpose-built-air-raid-shelter-in-the-UK-In-pics.html?frame=3258407 (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/11519746/Take-a-tour-of-the-biggest-purpose-built-air-raid-shelter-in-the-UK-In-pics.html?frame=3258407)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-05, 20:47:09

Edit: not to neglect Minister for Sartorial Restraint.

With a blue head and orange beak!?! I don't think so.

I'm a Minister! Don't do what I do. Do what I say.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-05, 23:32:08
I propose Australia to be chosen as the place for fighting wars. That way, the world will finally turn civilized.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-06, 14:15:17
I propose Australia to be chosen as the place for fighting wars. That way, the world will finally turn civilized.

And when there's a lull in the fighting there are nice places to rest up before the next battle.
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6197%2F6023742832_03cdc612b7.jpg&hash=c4c04381eb7fc67d9a62cdf296b601d0" rel="cached" data-hash="c4c04381eb7fc67d9a62cdf296b601d0" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6023742832_03cdc612b7.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-06, 15:27:34
Australia looks really nice, much better than I imagined.

Is it true that Australian Tank regiments use armoured pogo-sticks called Wallahbees?

Having your wars somewhere else is a great idea.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Macallan on 2015-06-06, 18:17:08

Having your wars somewhere else is a great idea.

How about Antarctica, and only snowballs and slingshots are allowed.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-06-06, 19:36:17
How about Antarctica, and only snowballs and slingshots are allowed.

Careful. A wrong hit and the earth's axis will tilt. :P

(I mean, snowball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totskoye_nuclear_exercise), slingshot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RK-55)…)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-06, 20:13:59
Yes, Antartica might be the wrong place to have a war, although maybe a good place for some whisky on the rocks.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-06, 20:26:39

Maybe we should resurrect the DnD Kingdom's Space Programme and arrange the war on Mars. Who should we invite?
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Frenzie on 2015-06-06, 20:37:31

Yes, Antartica might be the wrong place to have a war, although maybe a good place for some whisky on the rocks.

I wondered if someone actually addressed how it's probably "scifi" nonsense and someone did (https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/flipaxis.htm).
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: string on 2015-06-07, 07:46:32
In a virtual world anything can happen (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/74/dc/9c/74dc9cb270c1cffe00c990fa6624484b.jpg)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-07, 09:03:08
Yes, but will Europe have another war?
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-07, 14:23:09
No it won't unless the US invades and as everywhere else leaves a mess behind afterwards!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-09, 22:56:42
Yes, but will Europe have another war?
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=1132.32;msg=41194)

A lot of them. Way beyond your country has disappeared. Probably even before so.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-10, 11:39:16
One more note, there are three kind of wars being already prepared in Europe, geographic wars, civilian wars and against external enemies.

Geographic wars will be cultural, civilizational and economically driven. The more evident one will be between South and North.
Civilian wars will be all over Europe between free people and the servants of the new order.
External wars will be defending continually against waves after waves of barbarians.

Not a too much optimistic scenario waiting the centuries to come, but we'll keep on drinking good champagne and a few other luxuries.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-10, 13:51:33

No it won't unless the US invades and as everywhere else leaves a mess behind afterwards!


A look at history shows that Europeans were pretty good at having wars before the US got involved over thataway. In fact, if anything it seems to me that right now US involvement serves as the control rods in your war reactor. Remove the US, and next thing you know some would-be emperor is marching across the European continent looking to grab as much land as he can before sacking England. This time the Channel might not be much of a barrier either--- you've got that Chunnel, just waiting to be used by the next pillaging army that wants to come on over.

You might want to see about repairing Hadrian's Wall if the US ever does leave. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-10, 13:53:46
()

Yes, but will Europe have another war?
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?action=reporttm;topic=1132.32;msg=41194)

A lot of them. Way beyond your country has disappeared. Probably even before so.

Thanks, that's what I was hoping. Putin is nibbling away at Ukraine; can Poland and Slovakia be far behind?

I'm guessing that he'll leave Scotland alone. What self-respecting Rooskie would bother going there?
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-11, 02:59:09

My first aim would be to get the Defence Minister sacked for being a warmonger.

Actually did LOL upon reading that, Howie.  :lol:
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Sparta on 2015-06-13, 00:26:36
Quote
Will Europe have another War?



according to the law of social pressure .
sometimes , wrong thing can be right if it done by people in  large group .
vice versa .


thus , Europe will have another war , if there are war in certain areas and there are no efforts to reconcile .


in this case the U.N had one job .
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-13, 11:16:26

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Will Europe have another War?



according to the law of social pressure .
sometimes , wrong thing can be right if it done by people in  large group .
vice versa .


thus , Europe will have another war , if there are war in certain areas and there are no efforts to reconcile .


in this case the U.N had one job .


The League of Nations had the job before then. See how well that worked.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-13, 13:08:47
The UN is a dancing society.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxPgplMujzQ[/video]
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-20, 21:45:37
I find very funny Americans criticizing the UN when they are the first reason UN can't function.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-06-20, 23:05:47

I find very funny Americans criticizing the UN when they are the first reason UN can't function.

Founder's privilege. (https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sectalk.com%2Fboard%2Fpublic%2Fstyle_emoticons%2Fdefault%2Ftrollface.gif&hash=665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" rel="cached" data-hash="665db6eec9584d69e6bd4e70d368aa3a" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://www.sectalk.com/board/public/style_emoticons/default/trollface.gif)     :wine:
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-21, 14:03:58

I find very funny Americans criticizing the UN when they are the first reason UN can't function.

Please explain yourself. Joking aside, the UN has had significant accomplishments.

http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/extra/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/un_sh_background.pdf (http://newshour-tc.pbs.org/newshour/extra/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/un_sh_background.pdf)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-21, 14:32:58
Please explain yourself. Joking aside, the UN has had significant accomplishments.

Yes it has. The problem being the veto system, by five countries, at the security council.

The winners of WWII don't represent anymore the best guarantee possible for the best common solutions and the last fifty years have shown clearly how the increasing isolation from the rest of the world by the US, in an hostile attitude of we do what it pleases us, is today world's biggest menace.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-21, 14:37:56
the US, in an hostile attitude of we do what it pleases us, is today world's biggest menace.

Perhaps. A couple of examples would help.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-21, 14:50:52
Perhaps. A couple of examples would help.

Attack and murder foreigner citizens, inside sovereign countries jurisdiction, rings you a bell?

You should really think about, at least for a moment, why European citizens have changed drastically our opinion about the US in the last decades. I know you don't care, as I said, you're going into an isolation pathway that leads to nowhere good for everybody, including yourselves.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-21, 15:10:31
I'll believe the move to isolationism when I see it happen. What I do see is some movement away from the morass of the Middle East. I see that as positive, but what I don't like is a move to "counter" China in the Pacific region. No isolationism there, and if Republicans win the next presidential election, all bets are off.

Opinions about nations are as important as the price of carne de porco à Alentajana in your favorite restaurant. It may affect you next restaurant outing but that's it.

The bottom line is that no modern country can affort to be isolationist, Portugal included.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: krake on 2015-06-21, 18:07:34
what I don't like is a move to "counter" China in the Pacific region.

If the USA feels entitled to "counter" China or/and Russia it should do it on its own without sacrificing pawns!!!

The USA (aka Nato) is planning a new nuclear arms build-up in Europe although neither Germany nor France (or other major player in Europe) are asking for it.
Brian P. McKeon (http://www.defense.gov/bios/biographydetail.aspx?biographyid=433) is arguing that it is for protecting the USA and its European allies.
That's a perfidious lie. Wonder for how silly he takes Europeans?
US nukes won't and can't protect Europe. Their only purpose is to hit Russia in a worst case scenario turning Europe (F**k the EU) into a moonscape.

Nobody here in Europe is keen to go to heaven for American exceptionalism!

if Republicans win the next presidential election, all bets are off.

Don't be naive.
It doesn't matter who wins the presidential election. Abroad, they are faces of the same coin. Only differences we can perceive are the rhetorics.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-22, 14:27:30
Don't be naive.
It doesn't matter who wins the presidential election. Abroad, they are faces of the same coin. Only differences we can perceive are the rhetorics.

German paranoia!
(https://dndsanctuary.eu/imagecache.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn1.spiegel.de%2Fimages%2Fimage-863204-thumbflex-bwuy.jpg&hash=58545b5e8d2b37dd71bcd6d76aaaa887" rel="cached" data-hash="58545b5e8d2b37dd71bcd6d76aaaa887" data-warn="External image, click here to view original" data-url="http://cdn1.spiegel.de/images/image-863204-thumbflex-bwuy.jpg)
You don't know politics here.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: krake on 2015-06-22, 18:03:11

German paranoia!
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It seems that your ex-president enjoyed it. :)

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Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-22, 21:42:57
You have to remember, though, that he couldn't read English, let along Deutsch.

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Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-23, 22:12:46
On the European war theme I would say not a real possibility at all. After all with the crisis on the Euro running into years now and the state the p[lace is in financially -no chance!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-24, 04:40:19
On the European war theme I would say not a real possibility at all.
I'd have to agree: The War to end all wars, and all that! (Oh, wait! They changed the name — that's when they started numbering them… :( )
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-24, 08:29:07
http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2013/07/18/will-there-ever-be-another-war-in-europe/#.VYpqIYfFJP0 (http://www.debatingeurope.eu/2013/07/18/will-there-ever-be-another-war-in-europe/#.VYpqIYfFJP0)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Sparta on 2015-06-24, 14:43:56
there is  a chance that Europe will have another war ( in the real meaning )

but which country , nor who will start the war ?
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2015-06-24, 17:50:10
Hmmmm--- Looks like exercises are underway for the next European war, at that.

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Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-24, 18:43:44
Putin Ninja Warriors!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-25, 01:02:30
And Sparta where in deuce do you base that point that there could be another war? Between whom?
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Sparta on 2015-06-25, 03:21:34
ukraine and  yugoslavia  is in europe .


so  there is already  wars in europe .

but i pointing a Bigger war than war in ukraine.

perhaps a Global war such as   WWIII .

Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-25, 09:32:06
How about Ukrainians against Ukrainians and Russian orchestration?
http://www.conflict-news.com/live-feeds/ukraine/ (http://www.conflict-news.com/live-feeds/ukraine/)
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGjtDoCQL1c[/video]
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-27, 04:37:15
Well Yugoslavia is long gone and the West helped that disintegration. Ukraine will not cause a WW either although the West helped to create the mess in that country. However with he US trying to encircle Russia and niggle China with warships  does not help things. Even more stupid when you realise the US is in debt to a system they are so dead against - the Reds!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-27, 12:02:52
The Chinese are niggling, but I'm not sure it's our responsibility to niggle back. Japan and the Philippines might like some reassurances, but, again, I don't know why we have to bother. The business with the Chinese island building is bothersome to both countries.
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It's one of at least seven reefs and atolls in the South China Sea where the U.S. and the Philippines have expressed concern that China's island-building could be used to base military planes and navy ships to intimidate other claimants, reinforce China's claim over virtually the entire area and threaten freedom of navigation in one of the world's busiest shipping lanes.


The islands are the Spratly Islands.
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The Spratly Islands dispute is an ongoing territorial dispute between Brunei, China (People's Republic of China), Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan (Republic of China), and Vietnam, concerning ownership of the Spratly Islands, a group of islands and associated "maritime features" (reefs, banks, cays, etc.) located in the South China Sea. The dispute is characterised by diplomatic stalemate and the employment of low-level military pressure techniques (such as military occupation of disputed territory) in the advancement of national territorial claims. All except Brunei occupy some of the maritime features.


A world war in a nuclear era is unthinkable. Something involving the U.S. and China is unthinkable. The Chinese simply can't do anything that would imperil the sale of hundreds of tons of plastic toys and can openers.
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U.S. goods and private services trade with China totaled $579 billion in 2012 (latest data available). Exports totaled $141 billion; Imports totaled $439 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with China was $298 billion in 2012.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-29, 02:11:01
At the same time it is almost laughable that America still maintains the half world military expenditure and has planes, ships and soldiers everywhere on the planet. So tough when someone else tries something?? Interesting morality there? So remember too jimbro that your corner is in big debt to China so don't get too rash with the uniforms but I have 2 spare bedrooms just in case.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-29, 09:56:47
It has nothing to do with morality. Not everywhere, either, and it's no big surprise that you have spare bedrooms. We have no planes, ships or soldiers in China, Russia, Brazil, Portugal, or Mexico.

But....
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Hundreds of Polish residents took to the streets to give a hero's welcome to a convoy of U.S. troops who are driving through eastern Europe and deliver a damning message to Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Children climbed on to Stryker armoured vehicles and even offered souvenirs to the troops, who stopped to pose for pictures in the main square of the eastern Polish town of Bialystok.
Meanwhile other residents lined the roads and applauded as the troops from the 3rd Squadron of the 2nd Cavalry Regiment of the American Army passed by.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009704/Welcoming-cavalry-Hundreds-Polish-residents-turn-greet-convoy-U-S-troops-driving-eastern-Europe.html#ixzz3eRYnlm3f


I don't see China as a threat to the U.S., but other countries in the region do.

To put a silly wrinkle on the whole business, China has to continue lending the U.S. money so we can afford all those plastic toys. And I love Chinese food!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: krake on 2015-06-29, 11:06:10


But....Hundreds of Polish residents took to the streets to give a hero's welcome to a convoy of U.S. troops


Excepting Poland and maybe some Baltic Republics, the rest of Europe is less enthusiastic about US military convoys on their streets.

Czechs for instance have been officially warned that they could face up to 2 years jail for throwing vegetables and eggs.

Throwing tomatoes at Americans is a bad idea! Convoy RULES - Házet na Američany rajčata je špatný nápad! PRAVIDLA kolony (http://tn.nova.cz/clanek/hazet-na-americany-rajcata-je-spatny-napad-pravidla-kolony.html)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-29, 14:46:42
I'm not enthusiastic about military convoys in my streets, too. And nothing was said about throwing poop? :devil:

The whole thing is absurd.

What's your view of eastern Ukraine? I've seen rumors of Soviet...er, Russian troops in the east.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-06-29, 20:44:12



What's your view of eastern Ukraine? I've seen rumors of Soviet...er, Russian troops in the east.

Ask rj.
He's the expert.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Belfrager on 2015-06-29, 22:47:04
We have no planes, ships or soldiers in China, Russia, Brazil, Portugal, or Mexico.

Yes you have and even better you pay us the absurd exaggerated rent we demand you for keep on having it. And you pay and shut up.
Any problem? we can always raise the rent. ;)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-29, 23:51:15
Oh, yes: Air Base No. 4! Go ahead and raise the rent; and learn to speak Chinese… :)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-06-30, 02:29:25
I don't take much note of the guff of people cheering US tanks as it that in itself was a supreme principle. People cheered Nazi tanks once including Western Ukraine so a pointless comment. Krake has a point that the clapping is not everywhere and with the USA acting like a global Moses thinking it should militarily rule the world. If the US as it routinely does send military men to help I hope it is not the same ones who trained the Iraqi Army to run away!

In any case it is a load of cobblers  with all that gung-ho baloney. When did Russia indicate it was maybe going to invade the Baltic States or Poland for example.  And anyway in more practical terms if Russia did that those US tanks, etc would be swept away . It is just another excuse by America which thinks it can militarily plod everywhere. President Putin has made it clear that these movements are silly and they have no wish to invade anyone so it is about high time these training sessions and excuses for more bases was faced.

As for NATO the damn thing should have been disbanded when the Warsaw Pact collapsed. Washington DC gripes about the European NATO members not spending 2% of their GDP on defence but will make no difference as the poor old American taxpayer is stuck paying half the global military bill for what? Glory? It is the ordinary US Joe I feel sorry for as the corporate system that passes for a democratic one means they can do nothing about the money squandering or the increasing trillions in debt. Sad.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: OakdaleFTL on 2015-06-30, 04:24:47
Do you, Howie, feel bad about the poor who'd be cut to £23k, to help pay your pension and NIH? :) Nah!
You're an "I've got mine" type of person…
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-06-30, 19:59:37
Yes you have and even better you pay us the absurd exaggerated rent we demand you for keep on having it.

Do you mean this one?
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We don't count islands, so we don't have any in England or in the English colony of Scotland.

Actually, there are no bases in Scotland, thank Buddha, and absolutely no reason for bases in England.

If I'm ever appointed to the world Emperorship, there will be no American troops outside the U.S. I'm in agreement with this English lady.
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Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-01, 03:40:24
You continue to show your example of routine ex-colonist ignorance.

People pay NI (National Insurace) along with routine tax and not missed. And ALSO, millions do not pay NI at all smart alex.  Twice in the forums i have raised a documentary where a team of US doctors and dentists volunteered to travel about campinnross the ex-colonies to offer free health. The crowds were massive. I dare say that £23,000 wouldn't get you far in the good ole US of A but it does here. Tax has also been reduced for several million people and do not even pay until a higher level (raised twice and scheduled for even higher again. Every single political party here supports the NHS and totally different from your place where you have to have some form of financial situation and even that is fought over by the politicians. Doesn't occur here.

It is always the same on theis forum as was on Opera.Your country bums about everything, thinks it is the greatest in the wrold and an outstanding democracy and all the usual guff. Inpractice inside you are damn well something else. When faced with the millions that cannot afford health insurance or associated health issues - or indeed any deficiency you totally ignore it and try to do a dance. Kind of shows the two-faced double standards across the water. Well done for keeipng that style alive even if pathetic!

It is the same in military matters where corporate military manufacturers are hand in hand with the Pentagon (and you choose to ignore where corruption came up). Trillions in debt but war-warmongering all over the globe. Every day a US soldier commits suicide so a neat total annually. Hey that is nearly 4,000 in a decade!

You better hope there is never a war in Europe as you would not have an easy foe and maybe your Communist chums might pull the plug on all the debt you have to them. What a hoot with the world's greatest capitalist lot in hock to their Commie enemies! Maybe you need a bigger defeat than the amateurs gave you in S. Vietnam and the after mess might get the nation on the better footing and indeed better looked after along with a proper democracy. If such ever happened don't thank me as my shyness would creep in.

Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-01, 03:48:35
That insertion was not actually meant for you jimbro. I had been thinking of the wonderman, Oakdale and being late and not in a sleeping mood did not intend it for you! As a self-punishment, I will think on the Opus Dei and hit myself with a stick. In addition at this Saturday's massive Orange Order Parade in my city give thought grudgingly on the Pope and smile on Edinburgh (amongst the 182 lodges and 90 bands people will wonder why one marcher is frowning). Finally, pretend went to a confessional box and will be off the forum for a day.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-01, 14:12:10
As a self-punishment, I will think on the Opus Dei and hit myself with a stick.

If you need help, give a call to 1-800-243-3344. If the missus answers, tell her you're selling the Edinburgh Evening News.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2015-07-02, 01:12:15

That insertion was not actually meant for you jimbro. I had been thinking of the wonderman, Oakdale and being late and not in a sleeping mood did not intend it for you! As a self-punishment, I will think on the Opus Dei and hit myself with a stick. In addition at this Saturday's massive Orange Order Parade in my city give thought grudgingly on the Pope and smile on Edinburgh (amongst the 182 lodges and 90 bands people will wonder why one marcher is frowning). Finally, pretend went to a confessional box and will be off the forum for a day.

Fairly certain I saw Howie in last year's march in Edinburgh.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1oM0N1mSY[/video]
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-02, 08:28:42
You'll never see Mr. Howie doing anything in Edinburgh!
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2015-07-03, 18:49:32
Europe is very likely to have another war. From The Guardian a couple of months ago.
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In Brussels and other European capitals, the fear of Vladimir Putin is becoming palpable. The mood has changed in a matter of weeks from one of handwringing impotence over Ukraine to one of foreboding.

The anxiety is encapsulated in the sudden rush to Moscow by Angela Merkel and François Hollande. To senior figures closely involved in the diplomacy and policymaking over Ukraine, the Franco-German peace bid is less a hopeful sign of a breakthrough than an act of despair.

“There’s nothing new in their plan, just an attempt to stop a massacre,” said one senior official.

Carl Bildt, the former Swedish foreign minister, said a war between Russia and the west was now quite conceivable. A senior diplomat in Brussels, echoing the broad EU view, said arming the Ukrainians would mean war with Russia, a war that Putin would win.


What do I think? Well, I'm a simple man who knits socks and eats porridge three times a day, so I don't know nothing.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/vladimir-putin-west-divisions-war-ukraine (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/06/vladimir-putin-west-divisions-war-ukraine)
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: tt92 on 2015-07-03, 23:42:19


That insertion was not actually meant for you jimbro. I had been thinking of the wonderman, Oakdale and being late and not in a sleeping mood did not intend it for you! As a self-punishment, I will think on the Opus Dei and hit myself with a stick. In addition at this Saturday's massive Orange Order Parade in my city give thought grudgingly on the Pope and smile on Edinburgh (amongst the 182 lodges and 90 bands people will wonder why one marcher is frowning). Finally, pretend went to a confessional box and will be off the forum for a day.

Fairly certain I saw Howie in last year's march in Edinburgh.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em1oM0N1mSY[/video]


A group of Scots in a frenzy.
Not a pretty sight.
Title: Re: Will Europe have another War?
Post by: rjhowie on 2015-07-18, 22:03:33
Usual infantile stuff from Abbot wonderland. No frenzy so a misuse of the word. Some 500 lodges and over a hundred bands and it actually dwarfed the SNP rally ages prior to the event and the crowds bigger for the Order's Unionists stance. Because in Britain it does not mean you cannot be proud to be English, Scots, Welsh or Ulster folk.