Re: Same Sex Marriage
Reply #197 –
He displays no understanding that among "all other factors" there could be something like a criminal record
You can't be serious. The data strongly suggested people are born gay, just as they are born into a race/ethnicity. This is unlike criminals who choose to commit their crimes and thus become incarcerated.
They have no way of separating from this mess fictive marriage, incest, pedophiles, polyamory, etc. Frankly, I have not seen any attempt to separate those, so this is a given.
Are we seriously back to this rubbish, lumping LGBT people in pedophiles and the like? This is filth, pure and simpIe. I felt repetitive explaining to you what the differences multiple times.
He displays no understanding that among "all other factors" there could be something like a criminal record which would reduce the citizen's liberties or a severe handicap which would call for special arrangements in order for the citizen to benefit from any said liberty.
In the US, if you go to prison you might have some rights reduced. You can't vote for a while (Not sure what the exact laws are) and you can't legally purchase a gun. But you still have 14 amendment rights, regardless.
Here is the 14th amendment to the United States Constitution in it's entirety, with section1 being the relevant part. Since you're so easily confused, I bolded it for you.
Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article
Get it? A criminal loses rights, but neither the Federal nor state government may "deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws" If you do commit a crime, you can't be deprived of your liberty without due process of the law. If one is accused of a crime while in prison, the amendment still applies. Same-sex couples are not committing a crime and thus can't be deprived of any of those.
If you still don't get it, there are plenty of legal treatise to further explain it.