Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Australia and Luxembourg are also well-known for having compulsory voting.

Quote from: ersi on 2020-09-07, 08:11:14

those nefarious motives cannot be ruled out

And even your limited formal logic admits, you can't prove a negative.

Also, I still like the admonition: Never ascribe to malice what plain incompetence can explain!

After Thomas B. Hofeller, a Republican strategist, died last summer, his estranged daughter found hard drives in her father’s house whose contents revealed that he had written a report in 2015 saying that adding a citizenship question to the census would give Republicans a significant advantage in drawing new legislative district lines.

At the same time that he was pressing the Trump administration to add the question, Mr. Hofeller’s files revealed, he also wrote a portion of a draft Justice Department letter arguing that adding the question was critical to enforcing voting rights.

If the question is so important for the Republicans, then why did they not push it through? They have the majority.

everybody knows that Trump belongs to jail or at least under business ban

Besides obstruction of justice and extorting the president of Ukraine?

One could go on for a disturbingly long time.

Those who voted against the impeachment voted against it just to be partisan, not because the crimes were not there

[Re: Obama] Not very proper for a Head of State meant to act with dignity.

These are legal matters, and I dare say that I'm better qualified to judge them than you...

or referring to policy disputes.

Implementing policy in unconstitutional ways is a dangerous precedent that I believe we should all be against [...] Also it just gives more ammunition to opponents who are against the policy tout court, which is a very ineffective way of getting things done.

I was not being facetious with ersi, I was being serious... I reject pronouncements of verdicts from the court of public opinion. as a rule.

Even the report turned in by the So-Very Special Counsel Muller didn't reach that conclusion ("collusion," obstruction or other "high crimes and misdemeanors"), so Muller's stenographer (I suspect it was Weissmann, a lawyer with a history...) punted!

You can hardly get any more facetious, dude!

Mueller himself is of the Republican party, so what if everything dubious about him could have something to do with his partisanship?

wasn't it so that Mueller himself argued that his role was not to reach conclusions?

The Senate failed to convict...

The Senate failed to convict. Case over!

it looks like you are saying that justice miscarried

But when justice miscarries, it's not case over in any sensible way.

if OakdaleFTL was President

Over several months last spring, hackers reportedly tied to the Kremlin slipped through digital backdoors on government and corporate networks worldwide and installed malware that sat dormant for up to two weeks. When the planted code awoke, masquerading as familiar, friendly software, it had the power to transfer and execute files, profile and disable systems, and reboot computers.

The malware piggybacking on products made by SolarWinds Corp., a major supplier of information technology software, had such sweeping authority that it entered “God-mode” — bypassing encryptions so that it could see and control everything on a network. To cover their tracks, the hackers replaced legitimate tools and utilities with their own and, after their time bombs were released, restored the legitimate files. By targeting SolarWinds’ supply chain, the malware deposited itself on victims’ networks whenever they updated SolarWinds software. The attacks, which also may have been coordinated through email hacks, were still ongoing when they were made public Sunday and stretched from North America and Europe to the Middle East and Asia.

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The government has been largely mum, although the Cybersecurity & Infrastructure Security Agency, a federal body housed within Homeland Security that monitors digital security, issued a rare warning on Sunday and Monday noting that the attack “poses unacceptable risks to the security of federal networks.”

"The attacks, which also may have been coordinated through email hacks, were still ongoing when they were made public Sunday and stretched from North America and Europe to the Middle East and Asia."