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Reply #725
Oakdale, the proof the attacks originated in Russia is everywhere. This is not only from US intelligence agencies, but also from security firms (with I also posted their detailed forensics, more in depth than this report)
as I said before, that it's consistent with the scenario..
The code is consistent with cyber-attacks from Russian Intelligence agencies, not just this scenario. Do you get it yet, or do you continue to believe a hostile foreign power over your own government like a traitor to the republic. Also, do you even understand this IS NOT a partisan issue, multiple top Republicans share in the outrage. Do you understand this? At all? No, you don't because you read some incredibly idiotic blog that continues to poison your mind. This is transcendent of partisan politics, and like I said Republicans that would have blocked Hillary at even turn understand this is an issue of national security and the integrity of the electoral process. But no, you claim not to be a Trump supporter, and yet you read moronic blogs that even question if the hacks happened in the first place (or maybe it was ludicrous semantics game that tries to say a spearphishing attack isn't a hack?)

“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

Re: What's Going on in the Americas?

Reply #726
@midnight raccoon fix the quote attribution before he sees it and possibly inhales whisky while laughing

Re: What's Going on in the Americas?

Reply #727
You're naive and gullible, Sang… I'm not sure doubting the speculation of political appointees qualifies as traitorous. :) About those Republicans who are saber-rattling, they've been doing it for a long time. McCain, specially.
Besides, Obama told Putin to "cut it out" in 2015… So, all should be well, no? :)

Our "democracy" was not hacked. Certain Democrat Party operatives said things in their emails that they should have been smart enough not to… Do you really think that's why Hillary Clinton lost the general election? :)
(For some reason her "basket of deplorables" comment didn't gain her many votes among the "deplorables".)

Wikileaks got DNC emails, most likely though a disgruntled Sanders supporter working at the DNC… (That's what whistle-blowers do, Sang: They blow the whistle on corruption.) Podesta (or an aide) gave his GMail password to somebody. And it turned out he said some stupid stuff. Woah. Stop the presses!
What else happened?
Not much.

Except Clinton lost the election. So, now it's all very important! Hey, if Obama could have run for a third term, he'd have beat Trump! Well, he said so… But if Obama wanted to be a ConLaw professor he would have published scholarly articles; he never did.
Your alternate reality may be a comfortable place, for you. But I prefer to observe it from the outside.

BTW: Phishing "attacks" are kindergarten stuff. Only the inane fall for them. (If Podesta gave his bank account access to a Nigerian prince, would that threaten our democracy? :) He was embarrassed because he said embarrassing things… Did it hurt the Clinton campaign? I doubt it. You never wavered!)

@ersi: Not to worry, I'm well familiar with Sang's rigor and attention to detail when he posts… :)
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Reply #728
Another Obama term would have been a drag.
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Reply #729
@midnight raccoon fix the quote attribution before he sees it and possibly inhales whisky while laughing
Fixed.

Hey, Oakdale., on what points are the intelligence agencies and security firms incorrect? Do you even have a counter argument? Didn't think so.
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Reply #730
More in-depth info on the attacks on the DNC servers , from the beginning of the whole mess. I'll share the beginning, because it shows the FBI already knew the culprits from previous attempts (get it, Oakdale? Not a partisan issue, but one of national security. You'll see why)

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WASHINGTON — When Special Agent Adrian Hawkins of the Federal Bureau of Investigation called the Democratic National Committee in September 2015 to pass along some troubling news about its computer network, he was transferred, naturally, to the help desk.

His message was brief, if alarming. At least one computer system belonging to the D.N.C. had been compromised by hackers federal investigators had named “the Dukes,” a cyberespionage team linked to the Russian government.

The F.B.I. knew it well: The bureau had spent the last few years trying to kick the Dukes out of the unclassified email systems of the White House, the State Department and even the Joint Chiefs of Staff, one of the government’s best-protected networks.

Yared Tamene, the tech-support contractor at the D.N.C. who fielded the call, was no expert in cyberattacks. His first moves were to check Google for “the Dukes” and conduct a cursory search of the D.N.C. computer system logs to look for hints of such a cyberintrusion. By his own account, he did not look too hard even after Special Agent Hawkins called back repeatedly over the next several weeks — in part because he wasn’t certain the caller was a real F.B.I. agent and not an impostor.
At least this was unclassified info, but these folks have attacked the US government previously.

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Charles Delavan, a Clinton campaign aide, incorrectly legitimized a phishing email sent to the personal account of John D. Podesta, the campaign chairman.
Why Podesta believed the email was correct. At least he doesn't consider 12 year olds as experts, as Trump does :p (yes, Oakdale, he does. Look it up :p )

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“There shouldn’t be any doubt in anybody’s mind,” Adm. Michael S. Rogers, the director of the National Security Agency and commander of United States Cyber Command, said at a postelection conference. “This was not something that was done casually, this was not something that was done by chance, this was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily,” he said. “This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect.”

For the people whose emails were stolen, this new form of political sabotage has left a trail of shock and professional damage. Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress and a key Clinton supporter, recalls walking into the busy Clinton transition offices, humiliated to see her face on television screens as pundits discussed a leaked email in which she had called Mrs. Clinton’s instincts “suboptimal.”

“It was just a sucker punch to the gut every day,” Ms. Tanden said. “It was the worst professional experience of my life.”

For Howie, the article does outline US cyberattacks to influence elections.

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“Democrats and Republicans must work together, and across the jurisdictional lines of the Congress, to examine these recent incidents thoroughly and devise comprehensive solutions to deter and defend against further cyberattacks,” said Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Chuck Schumer and Jack Reed.

“This cannot become a partisan issue,” they said. “The stakes are too high for our country.”
Oakdale, note the partisan concern and agreement this is not a partisan issue.

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There were aspirations to ensure that the D.N.C. was well protected against cyberintruders — and then there was the reality, Mr. Brown and his bosses at the organization acknowledged: The D.N.C. was a nonprofit group, dependent on donations, with a fraction of the security budget that a corporation its size would have.

“There was never enough money to do everything we needed to do,” Mr. Brown said.

The D.N.C. had a standard email spam-filtering service, intended to block phishing attacks and malware created to resemble legitimate email. But when Russian hackers started in on the D.N.C., the committee did not have the most advanced systems in place to track suspicious traffic, internal D.N.C. memos show.

Mr. Tamene, who reports to Mr. Brown and fielded the call from the F.B.I. agent, was not a full-time D.N.C. employee; he works for a Chicago-based contracting firm called The MIS Department. He was left to figure out, largely on his own, how to respond — and even whether the man who had called in to the D.N.C. switchboard was really an F.B.I. agent.

“The F.B.I. thinks the D.N.C. has at least one compromised computer on its network and the F.B.I. wanted to know if the D.N.C. is aware, and if so, what the D.N.C. is doing about it,” Mr. Tamene wrote in an internal memo about his contacts with the F.B.I. He added that “the Special Agent told me to look for a specific type of malware dubbed ‘Dukes’ by the U.S. intelligence community and in cybersecurity circles.”

Part of the problem was that Special Agent Hawkins did not show up in person at the D.N.C. Nor could he email anyone there, as that risked alerting the hackers that the F.B.I. knew they were in the system.
The DNC didn't have the best security, but this does not make the alleged Russian attacks okay. What if it was the RNC, Oakdale?

Then there were problems with some trying to blame Bernie Sanders :rolleyes:

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Shawn Henry, who once led the F.B.I.’s cyber division and is now president of CrowdStrike Services, the cybersecurity firm retained by the D.N.C. in April, said he was baffled that the F.B.I. did not call a more senior official at the D.N.C. or send an agent in person to the party headquarters to try to force a more vigorous response.

“We are not talking about an office that is in the middle of the woods of Montana,” Mr. Henry said. “We are talking about an office that is half a mile from the F.B.I. office that is getting the notification.”

“This is not a mom-and-pop delicatessen or a local library. This is a critical piece of the U.S. infrastructure because it relates to our electoral process, our elected officials, our legislative process, our executive process,” he added. “To me it is a high-level, serious issue, and if after a couple of months you don’t see any results, somebody ought to raise that to a higher level.”

The F.B.I. declined to comment on the agency’s handling of the hack. “The F.B.I. takes very seriously any compromise of public and private sector systems,” it said in a statement, adding that agents “will continue to share information” to help targets “safeguard their systems against the actions of persistent cybercriminals.”


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Why Rinehart gave the hackers access to his gmail account.


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But in 2014 and 2015, a Russian hacking group began systematically targeting the State Department, the White House and the Joint Chiefs of Staff. “Each time, they eventually met with some form of success,” Michael Sulmeyer, a former cyberexpert for the secretary of defense, and Ben Buchanan, now both of the Harvard Cyber Security Project, wrote recently in a soon-to-be published paper for the Carnegie Endowment.

The Russians grew stealthier and stealthier, tricking government computers into sending out data while disguising the electronic “command and control” messages that set off alarms for anyone looking for malicious actions. The State Department was so crippled that it repeatedly closed its systems to throw out the intruders. At one point, officials traveling to Vienna with Secretary of State John Kerry for the Iran nuclear negotiations had to set up commercial Gmail accounts just to communicate with one another and with reporters traveling with them.
But the articles notes that Obama did not publicly blame the Russians at this point.

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So the Russians escalated again — breaking into systems not just for espionage, but to publish or broadcast what they found, known as “doxing” in the cyberworld.

It was a brazen change in tactics, moving the Russians from espionage to influence operations. In February 2014, they broadcast an intercepted phone call between Victoria Nuland, the assistant secretary of state who handles Russian affairs and has a contentious relationship with Mr. Putin, and Geoffrey Pyatt, the United States ambassador to Ukraine. Ms. Nuland was heard describing a little-known American effort to broker a deal in Ukraine, then in political turmoil.

They were not the only ones on whom the Russians used the steal-and-leak strategy. The Open Society Foundation, run by George Soros, was a major target, and when its documents were released, some turned out to have been altered to make it appear as if the foundation was financing Russian opposition members.
That least bit is interesting and agrees with what I said previously, if you can steal a document, you can alter it.

This next part is not as well known in the US:

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Last year, the attacks became more aggressive. Russia hacked a major French television station, frying critical hardware. Around Christmas, it attacked part of the power grid in Ukraine, dropping a portion of the country into darkness, killing backup generators and taking control of generators. In retrospect, it was a warning shot.

The attacks “were not fully integrated military operations,” Mr. Sulmeyer said. But they showed an increasing boldness.

Now we move on to "Cozy Bear" and "Fancy Bear"

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Only in March 2016 did Fancy Bear show up — first penetrating the computers of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and then jumping to the D.N.C., investigators believe. Fancy Bear, sometimes called A.P.T. 28 and believed to be directed by the G.R.U., Russia’s military intelligence agency, is an older outfit, tracked by Western investigators for nearly a decade. It was Fancy Bear that got hold of Mr. Podesta’s email.

Attribution, as the skill of identifying a cyberattacker is known, is more art than science. It is often impossible to name an attacker with absolute certainty. But over time, by accumulating a reference library of hacking techniques and targets, it is possible to spot repeat offenders. Fancy Bear, for instance, has gone after military and political targets in Ukraine and Georgia, and at NATO installations.

That largely rules out cybercriminals and most countries, Mr. Alperovitch said. “There’s no plausible actor that has an interest in all those victims other than Russia,” he said. Another clue: The Russian hacking groups tended to be active during working hours in the Moscow time zone.
This is why the code in my previous post link is so important. Each hacker and hacking group has its own techniques that help identify it. That code is not only for this type of scenario, but who did it.

The article details how Guccifer 2.0, who claimed to be Romanian, was shown to be Russian. He's the one that posted documents to Wikileaks.

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As the year draws to a close, it now seems possible that there will be multiple investigations of the Russian hacking — the intelligence review Mr. Obama has ordered completed by Jan. 20, the day he leaves office, and one or more congressional inquiries. They will wrestle with, among other things, Mr. Putin’s motive.

Did he seek to mar the brand of American democracy, to forestall anti-Russian activism for both Russians and their neighbors? Or to weaken the next American president, since presumably Mr. Putin had no reason to doubt American forecasts that Mrs. Clinton would win easily? Or was it, as the C.I.A. concluded last month, a deliberate attempt to elect Mr. Trump?

In fact, the Russian hack-and-dox scheme accomplished all three goals.

What seems clear is that Russian hacking, given its success, is not going to stop. Two weeks ago, the German intelligence chief, Bruno Kahl, warned that Russia might target elections in Germany next year. “The perpetrators have an interest to delegitimize the democratic process as such,” Mr. Kahl said. Now, he added, “Europe is in the focus of these attempts of disturbance, and Germany to a particularly great extent.”

But Russia has by no means forgotten its American target. On the day after the presidential election, the cybersecurity company Volexity reported five new waves of phishing emails, evidently from Cozy Bear, aimed at think tanks and nonprofits in the United States.
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Reply #731
Nice "copy&paste" job, Sang! If you read the whole NYT's article, it makes the current administration and its political intelligence handlers, and the DNC, seem like clowns… Sobeit.
(You do remember, I don't consider the Grey Lady a reliable source? :) )
The administration of BHO is all-but gone. The Kabuki Theatre of it's concern for "national security" will soon be replaced.

BTW: Hillary still lost… :)
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Reply #733
Thanks, krake. (But of course Midnight Raccoon will claim that Ars Technica is a radical right-wing organization… :)
I specially liked the second comment to the thread:
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Portions of that government doc may have been lifted or pulled direct from the CrowdStrike report/blog posting who were paid by the Democratic National Committee to investigate the attack. So I'd take the government's report, just like I take CrowdStrike's report with a grain of salt. Too much political BS involved by all parties to get a straight unbiased reporting of what actually transpired and who (be it state actors or some kid in their mom's basement) actually hacked who and when.
I, of course, do think the Russian intelligence services are playing "hack a mole"… As are we; and any other country that has the capability. (As a fellow said last night on a radio program: There was WW I, WW II; now there's WWW… :) )

I don't think Russia is America's friend. But -as someone said a long time ago- nations don't have friends; they have interests. (I'd argue that -for America- Great Britain and Israel are exceptions… But I do know that I'd have to argue!)

I'm so looking forward to January 20th.

Midnight Raccoon will claim that no such calendar date exists… So, Trump's presidency is illegitimate!)

So begins a new year. :)
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Reply #734
I don't think Russia is America's friend.
There is no friendship between states. That's an euphemism.
There are common interests at best or coercion at worst. Neither of the two last forever...

Re: What's Going on in the Americas?

Reply #735
Both foolish and baseless"
White House fails to make case that Russian hackers tampered with election

BTW, what do members of a security board (most of them are US residents) think?
Link
However addititonal forensics from Crowdstrike, which I posted previously, indicate that it's damn near impossible for the attacks to have originated from anywhere but Russia
I, of course, do think the Russian intelligence services are playing "hack a mole".
Than why do you use "hack" in quote when addressing me, as if there weren't hacks and otherwise act as if Russian crackers (a more correct term than hackers) didn't perpuatrate the breaches? Perhaps I was correct before that you experience cognitive dissoance. One one hand, you don't want to believe Democratic claims but on the other you know deep down the evidence points to the attacks originating from within Russia. You can relax on this. I told you before it isn't just the Democrats but also Republicans. The evidence appears damning. The malware code is designed to communicate with APT 28 and connected with an IP address only used by that Russian intelligence service. The metadata in Guccifer 2.0 documents is in Russian, despite the fact that they (to allow for the possibility that Guccifer 2.0 is actually more than one person) claimed to be Romanian. Russian actors have interfered with the US election. This is not acceptable.

I don't think Arstechnica is an organization at all. It's bunch of tech bloggers with varying opinions. For instance here's another blog that from the same community that thinks in general Russia is behind the attacks but there's no smoking gun. Krake's link complains of the 13 page report, which only meant to be a summary for public consumption and not the totality of evidence.
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Reply #736
NPR interviewed Dmitri Alperovitch of Crowdstrike [/ur] on the matter. Alperovitch even notes the hackers are lazy, doing things that have been successful repeatedly and further notes this their achilles heel. This is how part of how the hackers were so readily identified. Krake's blog is correct that the code can be reused by other parties, but the same group uses the same code every time... He also pointed out that hacks on political organizations are not unusual. What is unusual is publishing the results. By todays standards, Nixon's boys barely did anything wrong by only stealing a file cabinet's worth of information :p
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Reply #737
Alperovitch even notes the hackers are lazy, doing things that have been successful repeatedly and further notes this their achilles heel. This is how part of how the hackers were so readily identified.
Or how hackers "identify" others as the culprit… :)

NSA is capable, no? Then why weren't these supposed hacks stopped? (Gee: Who does the director of the NSA report to? I forget, Sang. Remind me, if you would? :) And who does that person report to?)

Are you claiming that the result of the 2016 general election is somehow illegitimate?
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Reply #738
Thankfully, the Obama administration is going away… So much silliness will disappear: Like the EPA asking its employees about their sex lives.
Who -in their right mind- would find this conscionable? (I mean, besides Sang — who fears the government wants to "regulate" his bedroom activities! :) )
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Reply #739
Or how hackers "identify" others as the culprit...
What evidence do you have of this? This is far from the only piece of evidence. Forensics places the origin of the attacks as Russia. Or did you forget? No you didn't. You only weakly answered what you think is the weak point but are unable to answer anything else. It seems I'm the only one providing any information at all. Hell, you can't even explain why it is you're defending Russia even as you admit they're playing "hack a mole."

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Reply #740
I'm not "defending" Russia. I'm deploring the politicization of an issue that's been ignored for at least 8 years… :)
Again I ask: What is it you want?

Would you accept the standard of "it sort of looks like" and "it could be" as proof in any other context? (Well, yes: Any time a conservative is involved, you would!) Psst! Hillary lost… :)
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Reply #741
Would you accept the standard of "it sort of looks like" and "it could be" as proof in any other context?
Good thing that isn't the case. Maybe the problem is also technical. You don't understand the evidence I've presented. Or you've been so busy opposing me that you weren't actually paying attention the issue. I'm also aware there's a number of Trump supporters that think this about liberals not accepting the result of the election and engaging in name calling such as "snowflake" and "cupcake" over it (despite high profile Republicans coming to the same conculsions the Dems have, having seen the forensics data. In fact, Lindsey Graham called for stronger actions against Russia than expelling the diplomats.)  Make no further mistakes, the evidence is overwhelming.
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Reply #742
You don't understand the evidence I've presented.
I do understand… It's what I'd call "suggestive". But I wouldn't go to war on that basis. Would you?
Why are you suddenly so interested in cyber warfare? Indeed, why is the Obama administration?
Oh. That's right: Hillary lost…

One wonders why the NSA and CIA and FBI were so un-aware. But not you! Until your candidate lost the election… :)
OPM lost -what? 23 million files? Yahoo! lost a lot more… Asleep at the wheel is not a good way to drive! But coasting seems to be endemic, nowadays.

BTW: YouTube videos of crying hysterics and violent protests in cities like Seattle gave rise to the derision you refer to, Sang. It's deserved.
Again I ask: What do you want? (You're not going to get a re-do of the election…) And your team, the Democrats, will do what they've always done: play for time, until they're in control again.
Like the recent commercial says: Obstruct, obstruct, obstruct!

Well, the next election might just destroy your party… (Of course, you'll blame the Russians!)

Isn't it your contention that -without the Russian "interference"- Hillary would have won? :)
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Reply #743
I do understand... It's what I'd call "suggestive". But I wouldn't go to war on that basis. Would you?
Who said anything about going war? You're being completely ridiculous. And you still can't offer anything relevant to the the discussion, I see. Trump might well surprise us all and actually be a good president. But it's not about him. Don't take my word for it, read up on why your Republican friends are upset about this too. They certainly didn't want Hillary to win. Do you get it? It's not even about Trump. Or Hillary. Get off your idiotic blogs, even the ones run by known members of a fascist party (that say Richard Spencer only has 300 followers and I show you his Twitter with much more than that and you still ask how that was easily proven false.) and go learn something.
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Reply #745
You're being completely ridiculous.
You mean, I'm not being distracted by your hand-waving...
Nor by our "secret services" public pronouncements. The politicization of the CIA is a serious problem...
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Reply #746
The politicization of the CIA is a serious problem...
Trump will surely put an end to this problem and make America great again. And put Hillary where she belongs. Right?

Re: What's Going on in the Americas?

Reply #747
I remember when George HW Bush was the CIA Director: He did a good job of cleaning it up, then... Pompeo may well be up to performing a similar job.
His first challenge should be getting the agency out of the public relations business...
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Reply #749
You mean, I'm not being distracted by your hand-waving...
Where do you get this idea anybody wants to go war? This is a serious question. Maybe one of those blog gave fake news that somebody wants to go war with Russia? Who doesn't know such a war would be disastrous  and stands a decent chance of going nuclear? White House Won’t Call Russia Hacking an Act of War You won't be distracted by the facts when your blogs tell you fiction.
The politicization of the CIA is a serious problem...
The CIA is supposedly liberal or something now? :faint:
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal