Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Also, despite suggestions to the contrary on the linked page, the parliamentary investigation determined the Dutch soldiers were not at fault, but rather their commanders: the Dutch government and NATO.

Sorry.

Nope, that was just an example of how denigration works.

RT is the new Pravda. That's undated video of an exchange between unnamed people.

Now instead of relying on Pravda RT, it's not difficult to read the primary source, which indeed provides evidence

In the last few weeks there have been 47 shells landing in Russia including the shelling of a border post the injury of a border guard and the killing of a civilian along with private property effected. The real niggle are these statements by the White House press wafflers telling reporters us they have it on good authority or intelligence suspects, etc. When pressed on actual proof they do a dance and cut the questioner short. Not so much actual proof just as strong feeling. Come back Dr Goebells all is forgiven.

- "All evidence we have suggests" - suggestions are no proof

With the West jumping on anything as "a distinct possibility" in any incident but giving no proof is not much of an intelligent stance.

As for the BUK missile Russia too has shown a picture of the BUK and states it was Ukrainian and later moved. Just staing that a missile is in a controlled are is stretching practicality. The rebels are hardly a standing army like the Ukrainian Forces are they.

You know, the propaganda from Russia and the separatists tends about the US "showing no proof" despite the US showing much more evidence than you want to admit; meanwhile there's scant evidence to contrary.

Suddenly the evidence appears in an email and is spread via social media. This is not credible. Such evidence if it actually exists would be released in a Washington press conference by top government officials with experts present to explain the meaning of the photos to the journalists and to answer questions. No real journalists, if any are left, are going to believe that such hot information would be released in an email. Moreover, the photos are meaningless to the uninitiated, and there is no way to judge their authenticity.

Additionally, it is not credible that such important information would be released at a news dead time -- 8:45 AM EDT on a Sunday morning when the West Coast is still asleep.

Dutch premier Rutte says armed mission to MH17 site 'not realistic'

They woossed out.

This twenty one century will be tenebrous.

Quote from: Belfrager on 2014-07-29, 10:34:55

This twenty one century will be tenebrous.

It is tenebrous from the start. At the end of the last century everybody thought the new one will be nice sweet fluffy, but then some Saudi pilots trained in America landed some airplanes on WTC and Pentagon and the United States razed Afghanistan and Iraq in retaliation. Nothing in world politics makes sense every since.

It was the Feds

Have a regard for what you say Belfrager although i must say that Putin is still less a threat to the world than the good old US of A.

We are not even we.