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Title: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-07-26, 07:57:09
is this Formula seems Legit ?

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The greater the Social Science , The greater The Social Skill
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: ersi on 2014-07-26, 08:04:32
No.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-07-26, 08:11:32
just No ?
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No reasons ?

No opinions ?

etc ?

any thoughts is accepted .
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-07-26, 08:25:05
is this Formula seems Legit ?

You don't need to have wings in order to study the behavior of things that do. Sometimes it can even be better not to have wings because if you do everything about them just seems self-evident. And besides, with respect to social skill most people probably rate on a continuum from quite high to even higher. Like how you can make the difference between 920 and 970 appear gigantic if you choose to let your graph start at 900.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-07-26, 08:33:56
You don't need to have wings in order to study the behavior of things that do.

That's not a consensual statement.
For example, I'm tired of seeing people that pretend to be critics of things they never did.
My opinion is that's not possible, you can have a vague idea about it but never a deep knowledge without actually doing it.
I refer to activities, not to just mental processes.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: ersi on 2014-07-26, 08:36:54

For example, I'm tired of seeing people that pretend to be critics of things they never did.
My opinion is that's not possible, you can have a vague idea about it but never a deep knowledge without actually doing it.

You occasionally put things too well. I end up reluctantly admiring...
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-07-26, 08:52:30
probably frenzie want to pointing something like , Atychiphobia .

@Bel, that's a good point .

never believe some one who give   cloth that ugly , dirty  , and smelly , while  they dont even want to wear it .

Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: string on 2014-07-26, 12:59:15
I always thought murder was wrong until I realised that I should not judge, neither having murdered or been murdered.

Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-07-26, 13:26:23
i guess , kill or tobe killed is not wrong .

it's a choice .

so does with be stupid , and be insane .

well... :sherlock:

but there are some   consequences  if become a murderer  .   :coffee:
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: ersi on 2014-07-26, 14:46:16

I always thought murder was wrong until I realised that I should not judge, neither having murdered or been murdered.

True if you operate exclusively with the legal definition of murder.

Otherwise you can legitimately extrapolate from the flies you have killed. Takes a little sense of relativity, imagination, and empathy, but humans can usually pull these things off.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: tt92 on 2014-07-26, 19:32:29

I always thought murder was wrong until I realised that I should not judge, neither having murdered or been murdered.

Thank you.
You expressed it better than I was planning to.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-07-27, 00:07:21
I always thought murder was wrong until I realised that I should not judge, neither having murdered or been murdered.

There are things that we don't want to know what it is like, simple as that.
You keep on knowing nothing about what killing is like (except indirectly from extrapolations) and would be to you very difficult to pass for a specialist...

Unlike most of us, Allan Poe and Sade - both had some curiosity about such "subject".
Anyway, killing is not exactly a "Social skill", is it? :)
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2014-07-27, 12:21:22
Speaking of social skills, my father never had the social skill to apologize at times when it seemed called for.  The simply words 'I'm sorry' never landed on my ears until my dad was well into his 70s, even the words 'excuse me' were a blue moon rarity.  I don't know what caused this in him, perhaps he thought it was just unmanly to apologize.  As a representative of several US Embassies in foreign countries, my father was always exceedingly polite and a stickler for manners, but he was never sorry for anything.  Entertaining large groups of high ranking officials and VIPs came easy to both my mother and my father, so neither lacked any social skills in that area, it was just that my mom could apologize, but my dad could not or at least, would not. 

Is saying I'm sorry just a social nicety or does it have different meanings to different people? 

EDIT: I seem to be speaking in the past tense about my dad, but he's very much alive today. 
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-07-27, 16:01:36
is there any chance that's caused by genetics ?

As far as i know , Sorry -Please - excuse me - thank you , etc is part of manner .
manner is part of Social skill .
while  doesnt have guilty , remorse  , and lack of social skills can be caused by .. .

hmm... i  doubt something , lemme think it for few moment ..
is it Ok , to discuss that ?
i am afraid that will causing triggers .



Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-07-28, 02:05:21
 :D
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: jseaton2311 on 2014-07-28, 16:00:00
hmm... i  doubt something , lemme think it for few moment ..
is it Ok , to discuss that ?
i am afraid that will causing triggers .


Relax...I took my medication today.   :knight:  :cheers:
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Colonel Rebel on 2014-08-07, 01:33:04
OP is a very interesting poster.

/Posts a grammatically-correct title

/Proceeds to butcher the Queen's English

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Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-08-07, 08:36:00
Indeed, her majesty seems quite perturbed by it.

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Social skill is a combination of empathy, reading other's body language, basic politeness and other factors. You can't simply reduce it to social science.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-07, 10:35:49
if anyone doesnt have knowledge about empathy  , reading other's body language, basic politeness and other factors

how they have that kind of Science ?

Science / Scientia / Knowledge is same .
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-08-08, 09:15:00
There you have the formula for happiness Sparta.
Don't let it to impress you, it's not more complicated, or wright, than the ones you create yourself...
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And this is what the scientists says... (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/07/31/1407535111.full.pdf+html)
Scientists says a lot of things. No saying, no funding.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: ersi on 2014-08-08, 09:24:38

And this is what the scientists says... (http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/07/31/1407535111.full.pdf+html)
Scientists says a lot of things. No saying, no funding.

Seems legit :D
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-08-08, 09:48:15
how they have that kind of Science ?

It's not all science. There's soft skills learned from experience and your disposition. If you want hard science, variables such as the levels of various neurotransmitters that affect it as well. There's no one equation for it. For instance, a patient suffering from social anxiety might see a psychiatrist. So the doctor prescribes standard medication, introducing the variable of biochemistry into the equation (many of the medications work by triggering the release or suppression of various neurotransmitters or are synthetic ones.) The trouble is that the medication that helps most people can actually make that patient's condition worse, or even introduce new disorders. Or if the patient doesn't believe in medication, he might see a psychologist instead, There are multiple branches in that field because what helps one patient might not help another.

You see, there's multiple sciences involved. If it's even possible to come up with an equations for social skill, it's even more complex than the one Belfrager offers. I even found the article to be a little simplistic because it dwells on tasks/rewards and experiences and seems to ignore the the biological factors involved in happiness and social skills that I briefly touched on.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-08, 09:53:09
dat Equation .  :eyes:

Swag and Gamble make people happier ?  :D  :coffee:

well,

that Seems fabulous .

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also this kind of argument is Pretty Legit .
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To really test the formula, however, it needed to be released into the wild, boiling out any bias that might come from sitting in a lab
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-08-08, 10:06:43


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To really test the formula, however, it needed to be released into the wild, boiling out any bias that might come from sitting in a lab


I like that concept of formula eco-system.
Be very cautious when releasing a formula into the wild, it can overcome indigenous formulas and turn into a predatory nightmare.
It happened before, remember the E=MC2 disaster?
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-08, 10:24:11
by the way , that Fabulous Equation inspired me to Create New Equation .

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As far as my Science

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Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-08-08, 10:33:40
Where's the testosterone?
No testosterone, no happiness. You need to add it.

By the way, you can also put something under the division trace different than one, you know that? you see, dividing by one it's not too much of a division...
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-08, 11:07:41
i unsure if testosterone is valid enough if submited in that equation .
ehm , everyone have rights to Choose their Gender Preference   .
if you know what i mean ?

also , even have testosterone deficiency  
i dont think someone will experienced  the absence of Emotion ( Happy, mad , rage , sad , Fear , etc )  .

also if that not divided =  1 .
the equation will error

i/e

90:0 = error/ undefined / infinity / ∞
90:2 = 45
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sanguinemoon on 2014-08-08, 13:40:36
i dont think someone will experienced  the absence of Mood ( Happy, mad , rage , sad , Fear , etc )  .

Testosterone deficiency can influence mood as well as the expected common sense results such as erectile functioning and fertility. Then there are soft, nebulus factors such self-esteem when the man can't sexually perform well enough to satisfy his partner.
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-08, 13:44:12
sorry , it was missed type .

i mean Emotion .
Title: Re: The Formula of Social Skill
Post by: Sparta on 2014-08-08, 16:28:34
equation with testosterone in it,  is complicated    :monkey:


probably it's just my cognitive dissonance .

or ? is it just not that simply  to relate    .
Like a Sir  = Fs( Mind  x Body  )
Like a Sir  is the function of sanity ( Mind condition x body condition )


Neurotransmitters or another hormones and chemicals that produced in brain .
responsible in the Function of Emotion , cognition ,perception, etc .

Raw function of Emotion Network .                          
Happy (factor) meet  the Happy (network) = happy          
Fear (factor) meet the Fear (Network) = Fear

xfactor + EmotionNetwork = Emotion

"correlation does not mean causation" .
Mind condition can be measured from Body condition and Behaviour.
for somehow physical health influence Mind Health  .
Mind health influence physical health .

Mind Healthiness >< Body healthiness

testosterone is produced in body part , so does another hormones / chemicals  that produced in body part .
it  can influence the Brain chemistry  system . 
Brain system that not work properly , also can influence the testosterone production (Inflated or deflated )

now i kinda lost ,   what's the title of that kind Equation and  from where to start to formulate the Equation?

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