Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Oh you know fine well mjsmsprt40 that was a typing matter! 

Anyway we in Scotland have around roughly between 120 - 130 killings annually and has fallen recently.

Tragedy struck our fair city yesterday......

A shopper, Joseph Robert Wilcox, 31, of Las Vegas had a concealed weapon and decided to confront Jerad Miller, police said. As he walked toward the suspect, Amanda Miller came up behind him and shot him several times in the ribs, police said. 

Court records describe Jerad Miller's past run-ins with the law, including drug charges. In 2007, he pleaded guilty to a felony criminal recklessness charge and was sentenced to a diversion program. In 2011, he pleaded guilty to a felony charge of dealing marijuana and was sentenced to two year's probation and drug counseling.

He was arrested and charged with battery in 2009. A jury acquitted him later that yea

Individual gun sales also need to subject to background checks. Set up a 1-800 number and a website and the seller gets the yes/no answer in five minutes, if that.

So you're comfortable with gang members and people like Miller being able to do this?

Each gun needs to have internal identification that can't be filed off, so we can can determine the criminals' supply chain and sever it while preserving the rights of legal gun owners.

Smiley, do you even have a ghost of a clue what "well regulated" means? Any idea at all?

.....How in goodness name child minds can morph what the founders meant into this Hopalong Cassidy stuff is beyond comprehension. Plus the fact that even a militia is in the past as there is an army and a National Guard..........

“The contemporary proliferation of bullshit also has deeper sources, in various forms of skepticism which deny that we can have any reliable access to an objective reality and which therefore reject the possibility of knowing how things truly are. These "anti-realist" doctrines undermine confidence in the value of disinterested efforts to determine what is true and what is false, and even in the intelligibility of the notion of objective inquiry. One response to this loss of confidence has been a retreat from the discipline required by dedication to the ideal of correctness to a quite different sort of discipline, which is imposed by pursuit of an alternative ideal of sincerity. Rather than seeking primarily to arrive at accurate representations of a common world, the individual turns toward trying to provide honest representations of himself. Convinced that reality has no inherent nature, which he might hope to identify as the truth about things, he devotes himself to being true to his own nature. It is as though he decides that since it makes no sense to try to be true to the facts, he must therefore try instead to be true to himself.

But it is preposterous to imagine that we ourselves are determinate, and hence susceptible both to correct and to incorrect descriptions, while supposing that the ascription of determinacy to anything else has been exposed as a mistake. As conscious beings, we exist only in response to other things, and we cannot know ourselves at all without knowing them. Moreover, there is nothing in theory, and certainly nothing in experience, to support the extraordinary judgment that it is the truth about himself that is the easiest for a person to know. Facts about ourselves are not peculiarly solid and resistant to skeptical dissolution. Our natures are, indeed, elusively insubstantial -- notoriously less stable and less inherent than the natures of other things. And insofar as this is the case, sincerity itself is bullshit.”

Plus the fact that even a militia is in the past as there is an army and a National Guard.

How many more mass shootings by nutjobs will we have before somebody figures out that our "well regulated militia" is not at all well and probably could use some halfway decent regulation?

I don't think any form of  new loophole free Firearm Regulation, even an absolute ban on all firearms -- big, small, ugly, pretty, automatic, single shot etc, etc, etc, etc -- will stop a nutjob or criminal intent of getting & using a firearm, from doing so.

Can't think of a single loophole?

I think think of three possibilities.

1) You haven't been thinking about it at all. 2) Your head is filled with cement 3) Or you're outright lying......,.

Quote from:  SmileyFaze

"Now, be honest & answer this ------ What do you intend on regulating? -- Who do you intend on regulating?

Criminals?  .......    Really, you honestly think that will work?"

Another variation of "criminals don't obey laws."

The object isn't regulating people per say.

It's regulating the transfer of guns......

Quote from: mjmsprt40 on 2014-06-12, 01:33:38

How many more mass shootings by nutjobs will we have before somebody figures out that our "well regulated militia" is not at all well and probably could use some halfway decent regulation?

So Mike, for you, a not so quickie answer.

There are in excess of One Hundred Million (100,000,000+) Firearm owners in America. 

How many of them became mass shooters/murderers in the last 50 years?

There are in excess of Three Hundred Million (300,000,000+) Firearms in America.

How many of those weapons were used in commission of mass murder in the last 50 years?

Nothing in life can ever be 100% guaranteed ....... that is except death (by any means imaginable--pick one).

I don't think any form of new loophole free Firearm Regulation, even an absolute ban on all firearms -- big, small, ugly, pretty, automatic, single shot etc, etc, etc, etc -- will stop a nutjob or criminal intent of getting & using a firearm, from doing so.

Or, and this may be closer to your heart, should we not bother about Quality Control on Ammunition because what does it matter of two or three rounds in a box do not fire?

Quote from: string on 2014-06-12, 14:58:54

Or, and this may be closer to your heart, should we not bother about Quality Control on Ammunition because what does it matter of two or three rounds in a box do not fire?

Better a dud than that they explode in the wrong way!

....Statistically not that many people die from snake bites, does that mean we should not have serums?...

.....Should we not teach students about music because not many actually play an instrument.....

.......PS By the way, you are still misquoting the 2nd Amendment - you have missed out the part about regulation, what you write is not a free-standing sentence.....

.....It's just as daft to say that we should not bother to regulate firearms because people will still get shot; the aim of regulation is to reduce the number that get shot.......