The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #750 – 2016-02-20, 02:49:51

This election carnival would mean something if the country had a wider democratic system and as I say it does not matter a tinker's cuss whether Democrats or Republicans win the scores of millions will be no better off. Well over two centuries and the place still hasn't grown up.

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Reply #751 – 2016-02-20, 10:30:19

A "wider democratic system"?

You mean, street theater! Performance art! Such silliness does happen here; but not too many of us take it seriously: We're not so naive and ill-educated…
(I know you've seen "man on the street interviews" that do indeed make us seem ignorant idiots — but you'll note, they're always done in liberal strongholds!

Something to ponder, eh? Nah. You don't ponder: You pussilate.)
You're welcome to your "system" and you well-know your next queen may well be a male! You precede us in almost all the varieties of perversities, excepting -perhaps- individualism: Without a backbone you can hardly manage to stand up on your own… Which is odd, considering we came from your stock; but we remembered, while you forgot.
(Of course, that's not entirely true; that we came from your stock… We're mostly English — you know, the folk that subjugated you. We had a history of freedom; you had a history of — what? Do tell, RJ!)

You'll stay in the EU because you are weak and poor: You need their alms, and you might require their strength. (Much as your devolution referendum per force failed, your threat of leaving the EU will… Need I mention again, weak and poor?

I'm sorry it's so; but it's people like you who've made it so, RJ — half socialist, half fascist.) You know what you are — that makes you hate so many others, who aren't…

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Reply #752 – 2016-02-20, 11:38:58

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-20, 10:30:19

RJ — half socialist, half fascist.

Fascism was always very socialist by American republican standards. National-Socialism (nazis) even more. The working classes under fascism had much more social welfare and benefits than they ever had and still have in the US.

The political spectrum in Europe goes from Right to Left like this:
Fascist/Nationalists - Christian Democrats - Social Democrats (what you call socialists) - Socialists - Comunists - Exteme left groups (Trotskysts, Maoists and the sort).

Anarchists and environmentalists are somehow considered outsiders of the classic political spectrum but environmentalists are getting in.

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Reply #753 – 2016-02-21, 02:46:57

Oakdale your system is not as wide as other places and very much including mine.. Although a completely different background the rise of the amusing Trump and in a completely different direct, Sanders proves your problem. And take note that Clinton's Democrat rival is right behind her and she is not getting landslides plus the high numbers of the young who are ired of what you have over there.

I would say Belfrager that National Socialism does as it claimed want to suggest it took the "best" out of Nationalism and Socialism but the other very obvious point is that places with a strong RC population where very easy to get a strong fascist stance. Spain, Portugal, Netherlands (25,000 joining the SS to fight in the USSR, Belgium), Germany, Italy! Will give an exemption and that is Ukraine where the west of that messed up place supported the Nazis and fought for them too!

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Reply #754 – 2016-02-21, 03:52:32

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-20, 18:46:57

Oakdale your system is not as wide as other places and very much including mine..

Wide?

You're bailing with a sieve…

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Reply #755 – 2016-02-21, 13:19:52

Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-02-20, 11:38:58

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-20, 10:30:19
RJ — half socialist, half fascist.

Fascism was always very socialist by American republican standards. National-Socialism (nazis) even more. The working classes under fascism had much more social welfare and benefits than they ever had and still have in the US.

The political spectrum in Europe goes from Right to Left like this:
Fascist/Nationalists - Christian Democrats - Social Democrats (what you call socialists) - Socialists - Comunists - Exteme left groups (Trotskysts, Maoists and the sort).

Anarchists and environmentalists are somehow considered outsiders of the classic political spectrum but environmentalists are getting in.

i dont understand this well.
may someone from US translate this to ; Normal distribution .

with valid data input please .

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Reply #756 – 2016-02-21, 13:37:26

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-21, 02:46:57

I would say Belfrager that National Socialism does as it claimed want to suggest it took the "best" out of Nationalism and Socialism but the other very obvious point is that places with a strong RC population where very easy to get a strong fascist stance.

Let's not use this thread to discuss how "my" Fascism is better than "your" Nazism.

What happens is that political discussions between Americans and Europeans seems as a lunatics talking because, for starters, both don't use the same political culture, classification and standards.
I doubt that both can understand each other and that's the foundation for a western divider that, in today's world, has necessarily cathastrophic consequences.

Is no good thing that we look to the American presidential elections as if watching some Aboriginal's ritual.

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Reply #757 – 2016-02-21, 21:21:08

Well it might as well be Aboriginal because it is a childish farce!

Your own dictatorship probably lasted longer no doubt due to the fact they were wise not to get into a war like say Italy.

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Reply #758 – 2016-02-23, 18:21:29

Back to the 2016 Presidential election:
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Donald Trump said he wanted to punch a protester “in the face” after the man disrupted a campaign rally in Las Vegas on Monday night.

“Here’s a guy, throwing punches, nasty as hell, screaming at everything else, when we’re talking,” Trump told the crowd, although CNN reported the man did not appear to be fighting with security officers.

“The guards are very gentle with him. He’s walking out, like, big high-fives, smiling, laughing,” Trump continued, before saying to loud cheers: “I’d like to punch him in the face, I tell ya.”

Yes, sir, that's the man I'd like to see dueling with Vlad the Impaler Putin.

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Reply #759 – 2016-02-24, 02:41:28

Interesting that you are keen to slag off someone else for repeating a stance and you do exactly the same thing yourself in a regular fashion. You were part of those generations who were brained into the Cold War stuff so that the corporate military business could make it's fortune and still doing it!

Equally you slag off another country as if it was still a Red dictatorship as it doesn't suit the propaganda Cold War mentality pumped into Yanks. What makes your place look even more ridiculous is that Trump is well into the position of becoming the Presidential candidate for one of the 2 conlomerate money parties. Dear, oh dear many countries a lot smaller could give you a better lesson in political width. That Trump is even getting the level of support shows an inbuilt weakness and how minds are so easily controlled over there.

On the other side of the semi-dictatorship, Clinton is deeply part of the political/money control that passes for democracy. But even she is not getting massive wins is she but being breathed on by a senator who is following a political agenda that is frowned on by the land of the free and home of the brave. How in heavens a nation can show so much support for Trump is beyond the simple answr of ridicule but illustrate a greater weakness of system. I really do feel very sorry for the decent over the water because they cannot give a proper answer to multitudes who follows head-bangers by the million and only illustrates how faulty the whole damn system is. It is neither a wide political system at all (no doubt why so many especially the young) support Sanders because they are so sick of what is meant to be a principled way of doing things. Even the damn bit of paper from the Revolution days is constantly fought over.

My one desperate hope is that following the White House carnival that there will be some definitive and stable aftermath of what Senator Sanders has created because it is what America actually needs and the young have got frustration in their teeth. Clinton is going to make no damn difference to the norm of creating in your face situations in the world, maintaining hundreds of bases for the emotional keech called "security" and keeping the imperialistic and military control of the world.

One lasat wee bit of advice to the propaganda subtly stuffed into American minds by the coroporate media control. Don't try anything too physical with places like China and Russia for example as you won't win. You don't want another S. Vietnam farce. Hhhm, maybe worth a look at and the young will force a second and more promising Revolution!

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Reply #760 – 2016-02-24, 06:51:31

Howie, is your contention truly that Stupid + Stupid + Stupid + Stupid + Stupid = Smart? What else could your "wide" democracy comments mean?

Only by appropriately limiting the government's sphere can "democracy" function and maintain a free society. We tried (…and mostly succeeded) to do that; but it takes work, when the numbers become so large… We are struggling. But our struggle is mostly to keep from following GB and most of Europe into senescence…

That's why a principled, consistent conservative constitutionalist is needed in the presidency. And why anything less is so problematical: Our nation was founded and flourished upon principles; and these are being eroded…have been being so for generations.
I'd rather not see the cynicism and ennui of your side of the Atlantic become commonplace over here!
Can you blame me?

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Reply #761 – 2016-02-24, 07:21:45

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 06:51:31

That's why a principled, consistent conservative constitutionalist is needed in the presidency.

But your Republicans are none of those things. Their constitutional principles go right out the window, except for perhaps the Second Amendment. They're unprincipled reactionaries appealing to the lowest common denominator and fail to address the real problems of poverty, substandard healthcare that requires ER visits at the taxpayers' expense instead of a routine doctor's office visit, etc. Is Flint really the only city with third-worldish water "issues" thanks to GOP cost cutting measures. The GOP seems too concerned that a Christian baker somewhere might have to bake a cake for a same-sex couple (although one admitted to baking a cake for an adulterous marriage

) and inventing other threats to "religious liberty" than addressing the real challenges our country faces.

But once again, we have poor choices for president. There's the loud mouth Trump, who promises idiotic things such a wall between the US and Mexico. He also admitted to trolling when things got dull, so we don't actually know where he stands on much and how much of what he says he means. I also heard a theory that he'll get his ass handed to him on Super Tuesday but I guess we'll see - South Carolina is hardly representative of mainstream America. Sanders does mean what he says, but his proposals stand a snowball's chance in hell of making it through congress. Cruz is another GOPer that will try to force his brand of Christianity down the country's throat and evidently doesn't know the constitution doesn't allow this and neither do his supporters. Hillary is another neocon on foreign policy and basically a 1990's - early 2000's Republican except for her support of LGBT issues. Rubio is just another bland establishment Republican. So once again, we're left with a choice of the lesser of two evils.

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Reply #762 – 2016-02-24, 08:07:44

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-23, 23:21:45

Cruz is another GOPer that will try to force his brand of Christianity down the country's throat and evidently doesn't know the constitution doesn't allow this and neither do his supporters.

As usual, your bias clouds your judgement… Cruz has -based upon his understanding of the constitution- no way to force "his brand of Christianity" upon anyone; he knows it, and calmly accepts it.
Oh? Did you mean that the constitution says potential moms can kill their potential kids — and that's what the Democrat Party "stands for"? And because Cruz is opposed to that he's a "meanie"?
I think all you really have to say is that you disagree with some of Cruz's policy positions (…and, unfortunately, most of his principles). I understand: You want what you want!
But —seriously!— most of your disagreements with Cruz don't matter at all, to most voters! (I know, you think you're "special"! And so you are… You're for you! That's all you know and all you care about.
And your party is much the same…)

Oh, I suppose that if someone doesn't come right out and say "Gay is good!" then they've transgressed? That is your one issue, isn't it?
You'd consign them to the Gulag or asylum — because you're a fascist, at heart! If only you had the power!

Sure, this is a rant — with not too much support… But I trust you to provide it!

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Reply #763 – 2016-02-24, 08:18:39

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 08:07:44

Oh? Did you mean that the constitution says potential moms can kill their potential kids — and that's what the Democrat Party "stands for"? And because Cruz is opposed to that he's a "meanie"?

I see you're getting drunk again. This isn't good for your liver, ya know.

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-24, 08:07:44

That is your one issue, isn't it?
You'd consign them to the Gulag or asylum — because you're a fascist, at heart! If only you had the power!

I take it back. You must be shitfaced already.

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Reply #764 – 2016-02-24, 09:31:28

Your view of the "political landscape" is what it is, Sang: No other opinion matters, because you're right! And anyone who disagrees must be suppressed…
"Green energy" isn't just sensible and profitable: It must be supported by the government! And older technologies must be — punished!
Same-sex marriage isn't just to be allowed: All must be made to say it's A-OK! (Or they'll be punished!) Universal (i.e., single payer) health care must be instituted, because — well, only the government can do such things! And -if it turns out that it can't- well, that just means that the forces of evil have won another round… (Because anyone who disagrees with you must be evil, or stupid! You're a Trump sort-a guy yourself! Only, not so successful.

)

It's true that I'm drunk. I'd say something similar to what Winston Churchill said to Lady Ashton when they bumped into each other in the cloakroom after a party:
She said, "Winston, you're drunk!" He replied, after recognizing her, "Madam, you're ugly! In the morning, I shall be sober…"

Do you "fight" for the right of guys to go into girl's bathrooms…? Or are you not that far gone?

What -I'd ask you- are your problems with Ted Cruz, as a potential president? (Let's hope you can do better than Trump, explaining your misgivings! But will you even try?

)

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Reply #765 – 2016-02-25, 04:01:52

Although people in the real world outside look at Trump, shake their heads and cannot beive that a system can have such the more concern is the amount of influence and support he IS getting. I know, I know the inteloigent observors including here will say "nah, he won't get in the White House" one rally seen 8,000 turning up and even if he lost an occasional place in this long walk the general drift is he is going to be out in front of the Republican race.

On the other side all the rubbish from that Clinton mouth about not being part of the establishment and getting flooded with corporate money makes her a hypocrite. Those in the Democrats camp who are championing the would-be great leader suitably ignore the fact that she is no Joan of Arc and that the gaps although she may win the gaps in the votes at present between her and Sanders are very close.

Looking from the outside this process that America has is a long drawn out and groaning procedure and they should just do what other countries do and simply have a damn election without all this hoo-haa. I am sure that many thinking people would have sympathies with that one. On a lesser note and as I pointed out that if Clinton corporate mouth wins it will not make a bit of difference to the large numers of people struggling on salaries that er not going anywhere the legions of un-insured and poor it will just be business as usual.

The puzzling thing for the lookers in across the world cannot understand why someone like Trump can draw in large parts of the population with the stuff he pumps out. It is one think the opponents groaning at the man but how do you explain to the outside world that there are such large numbers of the citizenry who see him as great? Indeed it is an embarrassment for the thinking in the country but the hard fact that he is so high up amongst so many is disappointing and appalling. It is just unfortunate that the political system is as it is for the vasy mahority of the decent people it is a problem for them.

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Reply #766 – 2016-02-25, 04:14:10

Let me get this straight: You're all for democracy but opposed to a populist?

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Reply #767 – 2016-02-25, 11:48:32

i think they are not an ellitist, aristocrat , nor pluctocrat .

they are just take the parts in the democracy , and do the easiest job to do .

insulting

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Reply #768 – 2016-02-25, 17:36:31

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-25, 04:01:52

Although people in the real world outside look at Trump, shake their heads and cannot beive that a system can have such the more concern is the amount of influence and support he IS getting. I know, I know the inteloigent observors including here will say "nah, he won't get in the White House" one rally seen 8,000 turning up and even if he lost an occasional place in this long walk the general drift is he is going to be out in front of the Republican race.

On the other side all the rubbish from that Clinton mouth about not being part of the establishment and getting flooded with corporate money makes her a hypocrite. Those in the Democrats camp who are championing the would-be great leader suitably ignore the fact that she is no Joan of Arc and that the gaps although she may win the gaps in the votes at present between her and Sanders are very close.

Looking from the outside this process that America has is a long drawn out and groaning procedure and they should just do what other countries do and simply have a damn election without all this hoo-haa. I am sure that many thinking people would have sympathies with that one. On a lesser note and as I pointed out that if Clinton corporate mouth wins it will not make a bit of difference to the large numers of people struggling on salaries that er not going anywhere the legions of un-insured and poor it will just be business as usual.

The puzzling thing for the lookers in across the world cannot understand why someone like Trump can draw in large parts of the population with the stuff he pumps out. It is one think the opponents groaning at the man but how do you explain to the outside world that there are such large numbers of the citizenry who see him as great? Indeed it is an embarrassment for the thinking in the country but the hard fact that he is so high up amongst so many is disappointing and appalling. It is just unfortunate that the political system is as it is for the vasy mahority of the decent people it is a problem for them.

Here are your answers old chap: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/

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Reply #769 – 2016-02-26, 02:34:56

My dear educated (well Yankee style, oops). The tragedy is that there are very large numbers of people who ARE supporting Trump and it is a head-shaking sigh from the shocked world. How can so many people in a country be so taken on with the man?? As for Clinton she is a waste of space and time and will as I foretell do little to sort the salary marking time the numbers of poor and homeless to the point of being a crying shame. There are far too many people of the trump corner and that is not only a very sad matter but a national disaster.

What is a very telling and refreshing and eyebrow raising thing is the Sanders corner over there where the rightist mindset thinks it is the b-all and end all. That he gets so much young support on radical issues is a surprise to the wider and more wider political experience of the outside world. Knowing the way things go over there it is a matter of an interesting change that some of Clinto's win situation is not massive but narrow. At least he has started something over there and it would be good if that continued and a basis of a challenge to the corporates who run the Democrats and Republicans. You don't really have a "wide democracy" and many people are starting to relaise it more.

Maybe by the time the young mature we might see an improved nation, wider democracy and a better deal for the people who having been brought up to be loyal are wondering where things went wrong. You need a second revolution and by the people this time not the early corporates who created the first one. Even the would-be historical heroes are a farce. George Washington a man who was a slave owner yakking about principles and that smart alex of a stone statue in DC, Lincoln who was a two-faced liar. All the guff about freedoms, democracy and the negatives about the hard done to Southern States and in private parties saying he didn't want Negroes to have full rights and politician advancement. Hhhm. Shows that having conned the people for so long it is no surprise that full democracy has been tainted. Well done Sanders.

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Reply #770 – 2016-02-26, 06:27:31

Maybe Sanders will emigrate…! Do you want him?

RJ, I do believe you could have become an RT reporter. (They have copy editors who know how to write grammatical English…) Your views are what should be expected, given your "wide" experience!
Again, I ask you: Why do you hate the U.S. so much? What did we ever do to you?

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Reply #771 – 2016-02-26, 18:03:44

Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-25, 17:36:31

Here are your answers old chap: http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/dear-trump-fan-so-you-want-someone-to-tell-it-like-it-is-ok-here-you-go/

I never thought I'd have so much agreement with an article from the Blaze. What he neglected to discuss is how many of Trump's supporters are virulent racists, how is reportedly is the all the rage at Stormfront, how Neo-Nazi groups and KKK members (including a new story about a former Grand Wizard) endorse him. The mainstream media seems to miss that as well. When your man is endorsed by the hate groups, a non-racist should probably take a step back and reflect.

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Reply #772 – 2016-02-26, 18:38:48

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-25, 23:27:31

Why do you hate the U.S. so much?

Such feelings are most likely from a lack of maturity bred from ignorance. Expressed outside civility they pander to a need for primitive emotional justification. And one really has to take a narrow view of precedents to manufacture such precedence. Without any real knowledge for the nature of what they despise attacks are often aimed at superficial traits reflecting the insecurities of the accuser and are apart from any understanding of consequences or causality.

Of course I'm either describing racism or rj howie. There's no way it could describe both... Right?

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Reply #773 – 2016-02-26, 20:28:48

Insecurities and hate from moi? Both Oakdale and ensbb3 unfortunately betray the in-depth and unfortunate national emotional kindergarten mindset. You lot boast about everything and even your Presients do about being the greatest country on Earth.That includes both the corporate parties, Democrat and Republican. Yet for all the guff, chest touching and constant flag waving your history of boasting is heavily compromised by the factual on poverty, lack of democracy, interfering in personal privacy and such by a myriad of secret service organisations that show how emotional and shaky you are. At the same time I have never said I hate the people full stop even thought there are millions of juveniles when it comes to politics and would-be leaders of which Trump is the latest. For a country that boasts of so damn much whilst contradicting the would-be principles on rights, blacks, political control by the corporates, red indian persecution, police widespread brutality, war starting, etc and the blatant hypocrisy of even so-called national heroes like Washington and that Lincoln is so obvious. You just cannot face the factual truth and never have either on Opera or here. Instead you try to distract.

Time after time the would-be ex-colonist wonder brains totally ignore the in the face contradictions in your history and of today. The sheer hypocrisy is ignored. And the added silly stuff about RT when one has watched the media and television news over there gradually having been taken over by the corporates who would have got medals from Goebells if he was still alive. Mind you I can almost understand the attempts by the 2 flag wavers to ignore the hard factual truth that their system is a complete contradiction of the written principles. It is the way that Americans are brought up and brained from youth. Rows of flags outside government buildings, in the classroom and all super nationalist not just patriotic. This would not be so bad if the way the system works is something else. With so many damnable secret service agencies even that shows something about immaturity and blatant control getting away with it.

If I hated the place the way the short minded express here I would not have visited it twice. Ij basic terms that a child could take in I have said that it will not make a damn difference who is in the White House because the vast numbers of static wage people the legions of poor in tens of millions, house losing vast numbers, arrogant police, blacks treated, hundreds of military bases worldwide and so on are ignored is ignored and instead we get the damnable nonsense from these two for example who do the country no good at all. That large numbers are leaning towards Sanders contradicts the propaganda brained. As for the usual stuff about Russia that is part of the braining and it would be a challenge to get a US President with an 80% ratio. That propaganda is because the US money barons who really run the country do not like anywhere that challenges US imperialism across the world. That they know they cannot beat the Russian President politically or militarily is a frustration hence the diatribes we get against a country that the US/West cannot control. The rest they can destabilise or find an excuse for invasion then in come the corporate string pullers.

There are millions of decent Americans who know they are stuck with the big two parties and the only slight difference in the two is a slight lesser evil approach. So snide all you like, ignore the factual truth the outside world can see and I will feel a sense of companion for the millions who love their country ut think the system stinks. No-one could have thought at one time the Soviet system would collapse or old traditional things like the Sha system in Iran and other seemingly impregnable things. The day that real and wider democracy can squirm out of the 2 corporate houses on the Hill then greater the country will be. All those bases everywhere while so many starve are homeless and rights shrivelled is head shaking. So try and be adults here as in practice you might find that difficult outside the of the house!

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Reply #774 – 2016-02-27, 00:01:34

Pointing out every stereotypical American thing you can think of as a derogatory remark is racist.

Mostly, if you don't want people to think you are poo - stop stepping in shit. I've no problem with your country. That's easy to see with no evidence to the contrary. You're just lying to save face like the politicians you claim are such a problem.

Nothing you say is more than lazily bigoted commentary. There's no point in responding to you at all really. Well, I enjoy the rants personally. But nothing needs defense against your accusations. You just repeat the same lazy statements regardless. (Psst. you may want to avoid bringing up history. Your country doesn't do so well either.) To you every problem that has existed since the invention of government is an American only problem placing the system on the verge of collapse. So you are the distraction. You also bring up kindergarten a lot... But all you do is point fingers and tattle thinking it makes you look good somehow. So funny. Blind ignorance is what you are not what you're exposing. The US is foreign to you just as the UK is to me. I don't agree with everything in either system. Some I like from both too. When you grow up we can talk about it like adults rather than throwing insults around.