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Reply #1175 –
I was once stopped, for walking down the street after dark carrying a soft-cased pool stick… I, of course, complied with the officers' request to lay it on the sidewalk and step back. They "inspected" it and let me go on my way. (It was a Smelke, a pretty good cue! But I don't think they would have shot me, unless I resisted their legal orders…)
Quote from: midnight raccoon on
it's that somebody walking around with a weapon like that is up to no good...
Did someone -anyone- call it in?
This is the second "event" recently where Homeland Security had vetted the shooters and found them to be A-okay. (It is the Obama administration, however. You know, where Maj. Hassan committed "work-place violence"…)
I assume your point, Sang, is that guns should be confiscated… (It's only "common sense": Only government agents should be allowed to use lethal force! BTW: Tell that to the Black Lives Matter nut-cases!) How would that happen? :)
Your fantasies are not good grounds for fashioning policy. Or for amending the Constitution…
You know how that can be accomplished. Why don't you try it?

p.s. @Sang:
Howie doesn't turn a blind eye… He —like you— is eyeless in Gaza, at least in your own minds.
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Reply #1176 –
Quote from: OakdaleFTL on
Is Newt wrong? Most Muslims aren't jihadists, but all those who yearn for Shari'a would be, if they could. Well, they're supposed to…
A terrible misunderstanding of Shari'a there. Newt is wrong and so are you.

By "they're supposed to..." you mean of course that Muslims are supposed to blow themselves up and behead people. They are only supposed to do that if they take Shari'a literally (like Jews should take Tanakh literally) and there's a crusade on them. And blowing oneself up is questionable even then, because it's not in Shari'a. Suicide attack viewed as heroism is more likely an influence of Hollywood movies. (E.g. Aliens, Leon, Independence Day; surely there are better examples, but I am not too familiar with earlier American war propaganda).

Then there's the fact that there's a fairly wide-spread non-literal understanding of Shari'a, such as among Sufis. Tanakh prescribes animal sacrifices, but Jews haven't done it for millennia now. Are they supposed to? Looks like you are telling them what they are supposed to do...

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I assume your point, Sang, is that guns should be confiscated… (It's only "common sense": Only government agents should be allowed to use lethal force! ...)
What if the point is to behave civilised? In civilised countries there are hunters and gun sports practitioners who can obtain guns. And both categories are construed broadly. You don't have to be a professional hunter or professional sportsman, just announce your interest in it. And there's a test, similar to driver's license test, to see if you can handle guns. Driving a car may be mostly a necessity, but not everybody can do it. Some persons are dangerous behind a wheel under all circumstances, and all people are dangerous under some circumstances, such as when drunk. Why can't similar considerations apply to guns? Why are guns a "right" when cars are not?

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Reply #1177 –
My point midnight raccoon is that nowhere is 100% but your country's system is unfortunately  one of the unfortunate contradictions. In that I mean there is much boasting about how great the place is and things like democracy, rights, freedoms and so on. Yet at the same time so much contradicts that as I do understand you know.. As for the electoral system it is in a very deep need of a new revolution and because of the money barons your democracy has been hijacked for far too long and because it is being perpetuated wide open for the sad matter of being ridiculed.  Here we are in one sense more fortunate in having a wider political corner whatever routine faults there may be. Your Presidential election is in itself important as America unfortunately sticks it's nose into far too much across the world both politically and militarily. Some time ago I referred to President Eisenhower who decades ago warned Americans of the increasing power of big business and money people and he was a Republican! He has been proved right. Here the top 1% cover almost 25% of the government income and because most political parties are involved in parliament and all it's Standing Committees there is a vast difference in comparisons.

In the States you are stuck with 2 big money parties and the percentages of the wealthy whoo control things on the Hill are disproportionate. The dilemma has got stark as I stick to the thread (!) in that the 2 running for the top job are both big corporate minds and the vast numbers who are not doing well in the country are not getting anywhere hence frustration. Trump is an idiot and yet is a runner. Clinton is a hawk a corporate corner and for all the hype she comes out with tens of millions will still be stuck in a rut. Sanders was a refreshing change to the election but dimes against dollars.
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Reply #1178 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
Usual junk form the grey clad boy - of course. One has to realise what country he was educated in of course so understandable. Interesting he singles out Kenya and Ireland. Since they got independence Kenya been a mess and may I also remind that Ireland (not all of it for his limited education) was not independent) was crawling for decades unable to do much on itself until it rushed to join the EU and like other smalle places like Portugal and Greece the begging bowl was out.  Ireland is now getting back on it's pa feet and WE loaned it 7 billion to help by the way. Tell you what boy you try and form a Commonwealth on all the places you hce invaded, warred or economically taken over.  Yes the British PM was going to stand down before the next General Election but as had been so strong for being IN felt in principle the right thing to do. When you get a principled President I will send you a crate of Irn Bru but th cost of that is permanently safe. The new Prime minister nd cabinet has been quick, good and a future.

Now having as Americans normally do in this damn forum and unable to face things that are so obviously wrong in their own corner may I emphasise the thread and the wonky thing that passes for "democracy in gun totin' nutjobland.

Just look at the choice over there. A man that is unbelievable being one of 2 challenges for leadership of a country that sticks it's neb into everyone else's business and affairs.  Trump has not only been an embarrassment to sensible and concerned people who exist over there but made the country an almost laughing stock in the world at large which is a damn shame. Clinton is a hawk and will be too on the world stage. The senator who was being directly different even if behind comes out and publicly endorses that lying hawk of a woman? Many especially of the younger generation have been let down by that after all he stood for in the world of overdue change.

Do I wish tht America had a wider system than 2 major money controlled parties? Yes, I dashed well do and you Southern ladie must be frustrated too as you are not of either of the two. Instead of desperately diverting off unable to face the problems use the grey cells.

Meantime that yakky hawkish woman will win but what a joke the Presidential race has been. When Obama goes he will not be historically a champion but fits in well with the tradition.
1. Interesting take on Kenya there, dear Scot. You constantly moan and complain about our interference elsewhere in the world, yet knowing your posting persona, and I know it well, with your remark about Kenya, it is clear that you'd like to "step back in and restore order"....hmm? You'll deny this of course, but we all know ya better than that old fella. :)

2. Indeed, I was educated both here in the US and in Liverpool, England, UK. Are you claiming that the UK too doesn't educat it's ppl properly?

3. We do not want a Commonwealth. As old as you are, surely you remember when Franklin D. Roosevelt told Churchill that "we are all in this together now, but makes no mistake, we are not here to save British Imperialism"?

4. Cameron stated his was going to step down in 2017. Being the arrogant, pompous, entitled prick he is, he knew, just knew that the British public would bail him out of a party predicament that goes all the way back to the Iron Witch and beyond, back to Heath's decision to join the EEC. His disconnect with the British public cut short his administration a year early. Good riddance, but I'm not sure Mrs. May is much better.

5. I'll be holding you to that promise, Mr Howie! :cheers:

6. I am indeed frustrated, but that has stepped up my efforts in trying to get ppl to vote for either Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Candidate, or Jill Stein, the Green party candidate. My conscience remains clean from 2012, as I voted for Johnson then too.

7. Should you pop back over here at some time, I'd be more than happy to show you my collection of handguns, shotguns, rifles, and even a cannon ball I have from the Civil War!

8. You never did answer my question about Mrs. May; given that she is a Type 1 Diabetic, do you think that diabetes awareness and education will improve?

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Reply #1179 –
Quote from: Colonel Rebel on
6. I am indeed frustrated, but that has stepped up my efforts in trying to get ppl to vote for either Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Candidate, or Jill Stein, the Green party candidate. My conscience remains clean from 2012, as I voted for Johnson then too.
My friends and I were discussing the poor choice of candidates at work, so I informed Kevin about Gary Johnson. There's a growing liberation movement within the LGBT community since the root of the problems, such as idiocy such as NC HB2, stems from the religious using the power of big government (even on state and local scales) to impose their religious beliefs on everyone else.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1180 –
Being diabetic colonel I do hope that health issue improves so well done you.

On a more sensible note it is good that there are Americans who have realisation about the narrowness and limitation sin the political gameplay and that IS a healthy sign. You folk do need to be able to have a wider situation than being stuck with and eventually be able to challenge the matter of being stuck with 2 choices from 2 giants who are beyond it. Both you and midnight are wise enough to want to aid the frustration that in fact a great many over there feel about choice and being optimistic is not to be hidden but continue to be acted upon. That you had a politician who jilted so many and particularly the young is something to be proud of and what a change that is from being stuck with just a couple of big money people time after time. Empires and systems come and go and it is time for practicality and better choice. One day the matter of hope must be realised before more suffer from the dearth of proper political working for people. Keep at it boys and don't let the need challenge go like when you come out of the youth years as that is what the big two would be happy for.

ps. Colonel if I ever came over again would maybe wear a grey suit........
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Reply #1181 –
I now support Trump. I am flip-flopping! :yes:



As you can see, there is now proof that Cthulhu controls Trump, explaining that latter's insanity. This being the case, I must now embrace the madness by voting Trump. Fhtagn!
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1182 –
I can't tell if Cthulhu controls Trump but it's now fact that the Democratic National Committee - a supposedly neutral organisation, is anything except neutral.
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The Sanders campaign for months complained that people in the DNC were biased in favour of the establishment candidate, Ms Clinton. The campaign even sued the DNC to allow it access to its voter database.

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Reply #1183 –
How can a country have a Trump running for the top office??
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Reply #1184 –
Quote from: krake on
The Sanders campaign for months complained that people in the DNC were biased in favour of the establishment candidate, Ms Clinton. The campaign even sued the DNC to allow it access to its voter database.
But who didn't know that? The RNC themselves were in favor that party's establishment candidates. Howie does have a point that both our major parties are corrupt.

From that same article:

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“This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.”
The sad thing is that the Southern Baptists wouldn't vote for Clinton, either and the states full of them pretty much automatically go in to the "Red" column regardless. But. at least I don't recall the possibility really being a major issue in the primaries. Seven DNC officials does not equal the DNC itself.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
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Reply #1185 –
The Democrat and second political circus in Philly has started rather poorly. The chair resigning after the disclosure that strings were pulled to stop Sanders. Now he has advocated Clinton and many of his supporters were booing at the hall and making protests in public saying that many would not vote for Clinton. She is a waste of space, not very honest really and involved in disasters in countries never mind her ease at being a liar.

One cannot help feeling for a place that ends up with a corporate influenced woman who will be damn hawkish on global matters and do damn all for the millions suffering in America.  It is obvious that inside the Democrat wing there is much unhappiness with her and what a poor choice toy people over there have. Head shaking  and well overdue for a revolution in politics because for all the loyalty of people they re being done in by both parties.
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Reply #1186 –
Quote from: rjhowie on
She is a waste of space, not very honest really and involved in disasters in countries never mind her ease at being a liar.
I showed you before that Trump managed to lie twice as much as she did, in far less time. It's been a decades long GOP project to portray Hillary as a serial liar, if not a veritable  American Lady MacBeth. But it simply isn't true. When every the GOP accuses someone of nefariousness, it often turns out that what they accuse the other person of doing is exactly what they're doing.

You somehow think thin skinned Trump won't be a disaster on the world stage? This might a case of not being able to see as well as Americans do, being all the way across the pond and all, but Trump's personality alone makes him a dangerous man to occupy the oval office. He lashes out, makes rash and reckless decisions. A man like this is not to be trusted with the nuclear codes. Nuclear armageddon  aside; I see him starting far more wars than Hillary if for no reason other than something pricked his thin skin. I fear not just for America, but for the entire world if this mentally unstable guy gets elected.

In short, Hillary is not perfect. She's human and therefore imperfect and flawed. Who isn't? Besides, who among your British PMs have flawless? Like Hillary, at least they weren't more fit for the asylum than a position of power.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1187 –
i have made my feelings on Trump very clear here and not to be side-stepped. Being concerned about a system then as normally happens here an effort made to look at some other place or country is not the way to go. America does have clout in the economic world (that will pass) and in world politics and military stuff yet what have you produced from the big 2 corporate party control system? Trump who gets millions of your fellow country people thinking he is wonderful. Someone like that in  country in the world position it is in?? As for Clinton she is no great person at all and there are many democrats who have no great feeling for her. In foreign affairs she was hardly outstanding and puts on a front but what has she said about the economic gloom the millions struggling an poor? She IS well into the corporate corner and has well proved that. Throw in the behind-the-scnes attempt to negate Sanders and the protests regarding him and her at Philadelphia.  Neither of them are much to boast about and because Trump is such a mouth excuses are made for Clinton and all the guff we get about her being the first female President. I do not think she is impressive and many of the young Democrats will not maybe vote for her is something else.

The "system" is not fulfilling anything nowadays  and it is about money people.  The Conventions do not look very impressive or anything but a ramataz. Indeed they tend to look very kindergarten like I am afraid but that is what you folk are stuck with. The con woman will get in and when one sees the number of votes that will go to Trump it only emphasises a deep problem there is in society.
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Reply #1188 –
What Michelle Obama's speech here and tell me if it's still Kindergarten. The Atlantic calls it a speech for the ages. This contrasts with the idiocy and lies of the Republican convention, which was at the Kindergarten intellectual level. You say "what has she said about the economic gloom the millions struggling an poor" but her work on this manages to get her labeled as socialist among some Republicans. Getting a speaking fee from Wall Street doesn't make her their puppet; the speaker influences the audience far more than the other way around.

I know you don't like Trump, either. But I was just trying to keep perspective. The man is unhinged.
“What kind of man would put a known criminal in charge of a major branch of government? Apart from, say, the average voter.”
― Terry Pratchett, Going Postal

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Reply #1189 –
Well Mrs Obama is capable of speech standards but proves little in practice!so was her husband and he is not outstanding. he has done little on the economy or the tens of millions who are suffering, killed  more people than GW Bush did especially with the drones and so on.  Words mean damn all when things do not change effectively. There were boos and unhappiness from Sanders people and protests outside as well showing the pointed divisions in the Democrats. Clinton will jut be an extension of the Obama terms and in practice will mean no great practice apart from words. She does not impress me at all and the money that poured into her funding from big money corners does indicate something and Obama before her got the same. The booing also showed something too did it not?

her record is not that outstanding in international affairs and she will be a bossy boots and the legions of Americans who have been suffering will see no change and the economy and global strutting will be bossy boots. Pity but until a wider change affecting more of the population. A side issue also is the hard fact that there are a lot of Democrats voters who re not that taken with Clinton either and the future is very questionable I am afraid.  :down:
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Reply #1190 –
Michelle Obama remains as ignorant and uninformed as she was when she was in college... (I read here thesis.) The White House was built by slaves? Really? :)
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Reply #1191 –
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How can a country have a Trump running for the top office??

Simple....Any American Citizen that satisfies all the prerequisites outlined in the US Constitution can throw their hat into the ring to become U.S. President, in any political party they choose, or as an Independent. 

Next, they need to get on the State Ballots by satisfying their individual State prerequisites. It would be very helpful to get on all 50 State Ballots.

Trump obviously satisfied the prerequisites.....you probably couldn't. 

IMHO....You're not even fit to shine the Donald's shoes.

Otherwise, follow this to get you started......not for the overly intellectually challenged, so RJ expect to give it more than you have....as it may find you wanting! 

     In times of universal deceit, telling the honest truth is a revolutionary act.

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Reply #1192 –
Well, Americans have to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea.
As far as I can see most Americans (and all American posters here) have made their choice and favor Killary.
She is the darling of the establishment and of the media (moguls). Now that they got rid of that bothersome Sanders nothing can go wrong.
Congrats to R. Kagan and the rest of the neocon pack.
May the Warrior Queen be the best option - for Americans at least. :)

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Reply #1193 –
So... we, the superlative Europeans, who do we think the political illiterate Americans should vote for?

To me it's indifferent the moment they kill they next President. Killing their Presidents it's the best costume they brought to international politics. They are good at that.

By the way, they are releasing the murderer that tried to kill Reagan. That's not American.
Americans are not what they used to be.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #1194 –
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So... we, the superlative Europeans, who do we think the political illiterate Americans should vote for?

To me it's indifferent the moment they kill they next President. Killing their Presidents it's the best costume they brought to international politics. They are good at that.

By the way, they are releasing the murderer that tried to kill Reagan. That's not American.
Americans are not what they used to be.
Well one thing is for sure; at the rate you all are letting the Islamic fanatics in, Portugal will return to it's Middle Age state. :(

Pity that.

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Reply #1195 –
Quote from: Colonel Rebel on
Portugal will return to it's Middle Age state.  :( 

Pity that.
Nah! Bel wants to be a subsistence farmer… :)
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Reply #1196 –
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Well one thing is for sure; at the rate you all are letting the Islamic fanatics in, Portugal will return to it's Middle Age state.  :( 

Pity that.
Remember Colonel that at our Middle Age state we destroyed the Islamic fanatics, it was the Reconquest.... :)
Modern Age it's the problem.
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #1197 –
Which reminds me how we lived in the Middle Ages. Those were the good times.
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Reply #1198 –
You both must be pretty old.

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Reply #1199 –
Thank goodness the 2 damn Conventions are over an what a load of cobblers they both are. All those emotional people like children waving the dished out cards and pole banners, tears, hoorays and all like a kindergarten day out. Politics? it is a joke of the most juvenile kind. Many Americans don't want either Trump the renegade non-politician or the actor corporate, Clinton.  Will either make a damn difference to the tens of millions of poor the homeless the economy? nope and a couple of conventions every several years to keep the children happy is the usual.  it sadly all looks so immature and you cannot help feel sorry that the country is stuck with these big carnival waste of times.

Many are sick of what goes on and the trip and both parties have candidates that many, many sensible people will groan over.  It is sad and if I laid bets all those millions I mention will still be there under mouthy Clinton.
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