Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #25 – 2015-10-05, 18:39:34 rjh, I must be letting my ignorance in Religion show: is the Queen Head of the Church you attend. I though she was only really head of the Church of England, but not Scotland. But I'm open to enlightenment on this!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #26 – 2015-10-06, 01:48:45 Dear, oh dear you are showing your ignorance! When I mentioned what the leader of the Scottish reformation said about Church and State that should have indicated something to you. The Monarch h is not head of the Church of Scotland and has absolutely no control over it at all. I illustrated that when the present Queen sends a representatvie he or she has to sit up in the gallery and not down with the commissioners (ministers and elders). The Church is Presbyterian and far removed from the Anglican system. No bishops and such It is why at the Reformation the comment was made of there being "twa kings and twa kingdons in Scotland." The English half way house was as you will know certainly not a Reformation by the people but by an authoritarian King. Here it was from the bottom and the Roman Church being so corrupt (3,000 illegitimate kids looked after by it as the fathers and mothers were priests and nuns!).In the 1707 Union of Parliaments (hooray!) the Kirk and Scottish legal system were guaranteed in the Union. So a completely different history and modern practice with the State or Crown having nothing here like over the Border. In the late 1th century the attempt was made to foist the Episcopal Englaish system here which caused uproar andf a quarter of a million signed an anto-petition in a Covenant at an Edinburgh cemetry. My ancestors the Howes were Covenanters and part of those who took action against the King's Dragoons. Many Presbyterian minsiters held services out in the country in Conventicles and if caught arrested. In one such place the Howie farmhouse south of Glasgow there is a tall memorial plinth to the local leader John Howie and the place oft used for services nearby.In 1688 it came to an end with the arrival of William of Orange in Britain. Outside that farm(it still has a room with a Covenant flag, drum, etc)a meeting had been held and they heard hooves and worried iot was soldiers then the local landowner the "laird" shouted that it was oaky it was john Howie returning with news. The mand pulled up his horse and shouted that things were over "Huzzah, huzzah, Scotland had declared for Williamof Orange." That was a Howie bringing good news in 1598 and here is this modern one doing the same thing!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #27 – 2015-10-10, 20:47:44 Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-10-06, 01:48:45That was a Howie bringing good news in 1598 and here is this modern one doing the same thing!Poor Scottish... and English and all the others.... who can stand with four hundred years of Howies... never heard before about such an unbearable burden.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #28 – 2015-10-11, 00:48:52 Oh it was successful Belfrager! At the Scots reformation thecentury before it was almost a wipe-out for your poor corner and only a handful left in places like the distant highlands and some far north west islands. It was the influx of the Irish red socks brigade in the 19th century that was a burden. Could have been worse and went to Portugal but here of course with a growing Prot land with industry and jobs an attraction!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #29 – 2015-10-13, 03:49:06 Quote from: Belfrager on 2015-10-10, 20:47:44Poor Scottish... and English and all the others.... who can stand with four hundred years of Howies... never heard before about such an unbearable burden.So that's what happened to Scotland. Soon the nations will need to open their borders for Scottish refugees fleeing the Howies.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #30 – 2015-10-13, 11:17:19 One thing I could never understand: how Europeans are attached to family lineages.What does it help me, to have an ancestry of heroes, when I'm a sissy myself?And vice-versa. Show me who you are; I don't care who your ancestors were.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #33 – 2016-01-09, 22:33:39 Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-10-14, 02:50:20Haha. I feel for you Belfrager.Do you? Barulheira is a protestant just like you... Meanwhile Pope Francis goes unstoppable...
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #34 – 2016-01-10, 03:00:01 "Unstoppable"? You mean, like a bottle over-filled? The cork isn't just out: It won't go in again, no matter what you do! The Marxists have -at long last- won…Luckily (for the rest of us), Francis is a man of meager intellect. Just the sort to "manage" a church in decline…
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #35 – 2016-01-10, 10:56:20 Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-10, 03:00:01The Marxists have -at long last- won…Marxists? you call Marxist to the Pope? You see Oakdale there was another guy with beard and long hair two thousand years before Karl... or uncle Sam.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #36 – 2016-01-10, 15:07:27 Francis is unstoppable? Duh. Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler were all unstoppable for ages. So to wre a couple of others in Europe (!) so 'unstoppable' in itself isn't automatically a positive!! As it happens I was conducting and preaching at a service here in my city this morning and had a wee swipe at John Paul. Shy man that I am............
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #37 – 2016-01-11, 04:11:13 Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-01-10, 02:56:20You see Oakdale there was another guy with beard and long hair two thousand years before Karl... or uncle Sam.Pity, he didn't write anything, eh? But that way, even the kookiest ideas can be attributed to him. Of course, on matters of doctrine, the Pope is the final authority — for Catholics. Too bad the current pope (…but there certainly have been others, too) doesn't seem to understand that distinction: Infallibility -even in the most grasping interpretation- has never applied beyond doctrine.You'll excuse the pun (I hope) but Pope Francis is a perfect example of the Peter Principle!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #38 – 2016-01-11, 23:53:58 Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-11, 04:11:13Pity, he didn't write anything, eh? Don't be silly.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #39 – 2016-01-12, 06:57:37 Quote from: Belfrager on 2016-01-11, 15:53:58Don't be silly.Good advice! You should take it yourself.Neither Gautama nor Jesus nor Mohamed were "literary" folk… They themselves wrote nothing; hence, nothing they wrote can be confuted. How convenient is that?!Of course, the "literary" folk have -ever since- made much of their own prowess: They know the true meaning of the few tellings of what people heard and passed along…Because they're literate!Can you, Belfrager, explain to me why Jesus wrote nothing…?
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #41 – 2016-01-12, 18:15:17 Because Jesus wrote nothing down makes him negative? How clever is that assertion? Others who knew him filled that corner quite well. Pseudo intelligentsia claims mean nothing.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #42 – 2016-01-14, 23:42:17 Pope Francis made this year the year of Mercy.So I'll be patient with all of you...
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #43 – 2016-01-15, 20:55:12 http://www.jesusneverexisted.comQuoteNo one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus. All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings.I barely believe in RJ Howie. Jesus is a mile too far.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #44 – 2016-01-16, 10:30:25 A provocative title. I didn't bother to peruse the website, but I'd offer that a proper academic look at the likelihood of Jesus' existence can be found in On the Historicity of Jesus. Caveat emptor, for I didn't bother to check whether that review accurately reflects the book either.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #45 – 2016-01-16, 16:26:20 A wider experience in life might have made a difference for you jimbo!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #46 – 2016-02-05, 20:37:09 Quote from: Belfrager on 2015-10-10, 20:47:44Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-10-06, 01:48:45That was a Howie bringing good news in 1598 and here is this modern one doing the same thing!Poor Scottish... and English and all the others.... who can stand with four hundred years of Howies... never heard before about such an unbearable burden. Hear, hear to that!
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #47 – 2016-02-05, 20:40:41 Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-01-10, 15:07:27As it happens I was conducting and preaching at a service here in my city this morning and had a wee swipe at John Paul. Shy man that I am............I thought that your lot weren't supposed to judge "lest ye be judged" and all that? I see the evangelical fervor is still a problem north of the border then. How terribly interesting.....
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #48 – 2016-02-06, 14:09:01 Quote from: Colonel Rebel on 2016-02-05, 15:40:41I see the evangelical fervorI call it heartburn.
Re: The real Pope Francis?? Reply #49 – 2016-02-07, 05:28:01 From an article (h/t to Jaybro…) about GB's socialism: "Mr Henderson said: ‘It is simply wrong that English taxpayers are being asked to help subsidise for people living in Scotland a range of services not available in England, including free prescriptions, free hospital parking, free accommodation in care homes and free university tuition fees.(source)What caught my attention was the "free hospital parking" bit! Utter madness by bureaucratic socialists! Who else would think of such a thing? You need to pay to park outside a hospital? Are you insane?But, then again, you have to buy a license to view television… And then get to complain about it, in the same way you complain about your governance: Ineffectually. (You chose to remain subjects; you remain subjects still.)
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