Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Must be Stockholm syndrome...

And maybe install Firefox, before they ruin that completely as well.

I felt like praising the team for doing something right.

I used Opera since version 7, and it indeed kept changing the UI even then for no good reason. When I got accustomed to the theme being blue, it was turned black in Opera 10.

I have a suspicion Opera might be made into a textbook on how not to do things. Trashing the browser and getting rid of much of the community can't help but make for rough sledding, if not the outright ending, of the browser and the company.

Leushino's constant commenting that spam is the reason for dumping the community doesn't wash in light of the fact that other companies deal with the spam problem without throwing up their hands and closing shop.

That, as much as anything, makes me think we're not looking at a high-tech leader half so much as we're looking at guys messing around in their garage on their hobby. Get an idea they think is cool, put it together for an upgrade cycle, get bored with it and dump it within two upgrade cycles--- that's the way to make a browser power users would want to use, eh?

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the highly questionable default user interface setups and looks (that kept changing all the time)

I used Opera since version 7, and it indeed kept changing the UI even then for no good reason. When I got accustomed to the theme being blue, it was turned black in Opera 10.

I have a suspicion Opera might be made into a textbook on how not to do things. Trashing the browser and getting rid of much of the community can't help but make for rough sledding, if not the outright ending, of the browser and the company.

I somewhat avoided this particular trouble by creating my own interface. I created my own toolbar, menus, and keyboard shortcuts files and moved them from one version to next as I upgraded. This way I could keep pretty much the same custom interface across versions.

“Awesome” would be my choice, but I still need a shortcut to toggle it off/on like in Opera 11.64, to save space when not using it. Otherwise, it is already significantly better than the Bookmarks Bar in Opera 11.64. Note that the Quick Access Bar has already been renamed back to the “Bookmarks Bar” in Opera 19-20.

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Otherwise, it is already significantly better than the Bookmarks Bar in Opera 11.64.

Off the top of my mind, I can think of a few ways in which it's better than the bookmarks bar in Opera 11.64:

- no (visible) access keys
- no ability to open all in folder without right-click
- no images only
- no text only
(-no text under image)
- no ability to put the toolbar on the bottom

Sarcasm aside, you can sort things in folders now, but I'm not at all convinced that's a desired feature—at least not without a lock feature.

I'm glad it's working for you, but it's not better by any stretch of the imagination. It's nowhere near old Opera, let alone Firefox. It's (minutely) better than the bookmarks bar in Chromium.

From Opera 15 onwards Ctrl+Tab switches between tabs in the order they are in the tab bar. This is different from older Opera versions and was changed because, for many people, this is more intuitive (since it is easier to predict the order).

Or every user of just about every mainstream and semi-mainstream window manager out there. (Except perhaps Mac and Unity users might expect Ctrl+Tab to switch between domains and Ctrl+` to switch between pages on the same domain or some such.) I have always found this behavior extremely intuitive ever since learning about Alt+Tab in Windows 3.11, because paper documents on my wooden desk stack in the exact same manner.

I tried to make a joke about it on the forums, but I actually think it's a serious case - again. Some of these alleged autobans just don't smell right. If autoban is really so trigger happy, then why, for example, am I still a member?

Don't blame on malice what you can blame on badly configured software. I can read those threads, they are not particularly embarrassing.

Regarding your point 1, I always wonder how a user can become more advanced if everything's hidden. Windows Vista and up hide the menu bar, so the file associations feature might be hard to find.

I argued for discoverability, the system starts out simple and as you use it you discover new possibilities that you can take advantage of or ignore.

• User makes a spastic move, e.g. grabbing the mouse whilst falling off the chair


• Opera chirping: I saw that you made a mouse gesture. Repeat your action next time you want to clone a tab!

Are you talking about the relatively new popup that shows up after a sustained mouse click or about something further back?

In Opera, I ended up losing my text input (if the page was too complex for Opera to save forms), because I had pressed Back without going anywhere near the Back button. Apart from gestures, which I was warned about, I had absolutely no idea how I did that to avoid doing it again. I later learned that one of the features was "rocker" sequences of input. I killed those but I still acidentally go back every now and then.

Basically you got a tool tip at a fairly random point in your browsing history telling users about this great new feature.