The larger Middle East is the most troubled region in the world and one that I'm hardly qualified to pontificate on. Some of the problems stem from religious differences while others involve ethnic tensions.
In the long term some of those tensions will relax, but those rooted in religious differences may linger for hundreds of years.
I'd appreciate comments from those of you who are more knowledgeable about the area.
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You might consider inviting this Paki (http://www.facebook.com/Ali.Raza8307) who was a friend of mine on MyOpera. If you don't mind "untidy English".
Quite simply there can be no peace over there until they stop passing on the hate generation after generation. They have been at each others throats forever and nothing will stop it if they continue to teach their children to hate one another. An unselfish leader has to come along who is not concerned so much about power as he is teaching his people that their children will continue to die uselessly until they stop cultivating hate. These people can't see that they themselves are the ones murdering their own children. It's really quite pathetic and a blight on humanity. :'(
An unselfish leader has to come along who is not concerned so much about power as he is teaching his people that their children will continue to die uselessly until they stop cultivating hate.
The problem is that no one leader can speak for everybody in that very large area.
Interesting old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters) map (http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882) (from 2006). I wonder how much blood it would take to get from here to there.
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IMHO , Middle east will in Peace .
if ...
there are techs to Convert all Desert into Green place ,
so they can do some Farming , etc ...
so they dont need any Holy stone anymore to attracts some Tourists .
While a significant part of the Eastwards Extended Middle East, particularly of Saudi Arabi, is desert, most of this territory is not.
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Agriculture is a source of income, and incidentally food, but like for the rest of the planet a diminishing number will be farmers.
I wonder how much blood it would take to get from here to there.
It's a crazy world, the world of political figures. Call it something new and expect it to become something new. And we're not speaking of stupid people...Condoleezza Rice to be specific. I don't know about Bush, but doubt that he's stupid, either, just unrealistically hopeful.
When I was in the Balkans in 1990 I saw many maps there of the region as it should have been. And a couple years later the fighting started.
The civil war in Moldova was a direct consequence of Greater Romanians thinking out loud that the former Soviet republic should be annexed, just like West Germany did to East Germany. There wasn't that much appetite in Romania for a merger with their much poorer neighbours, but the damage was done.
The very matter of drawing up a map can have deadly consequences, but as a visualisation tool maps are still great.
not sure too ..
but 'Rubians is always Went to war mostly for Holy stone .
in Israel and 'rubia .
aside , foods and water are so Hard to get .
i guess that's a good bussiness to control the Holy holy stuff ..
just need to sit there and everyone come to your markets .
no need Great marketing techniques , it just need some BS stories about Holy Stone .
On the other hand , i guess that's something Normal .
when you are Hungry , and thirsty ..
you cant think straight aka Sane ...
and then their insanity is Spreaded like Viruses .
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Give their stomach food , so they have some energy to Proceed some food for their Brain .
…Rubia?
The lack of peace will continue well into the future and for good reason - unfortunately.
And that good reason is?
The country that acts like a 4th Reich and steals land. Just like one did in the thirties and caused bother.
Of course you knew I was alluding to Israel which gets away with anything it likes and if it disappeared tomorrow I would go off on a special holiday!
Given the turmoil in the region and the all too common attacks by suicide bombers, I'd like to suggest some Middle Eastern sporting events. At the top of the list I suggest a suicide bomber competition.
The Rules
1. No women
2. Primarily other suicide bombers shall be targeted
3. Mullahs are fair game, an exception to rule 2
4. Self-immolation allowed, but only with permission from Allah
Of course you knew I was alluding to Israel which gets away with anything it likes and if it disappeared tomorrow I would go off on a special holiday!
You see? It's stupid comments like this that keep the region in constant turmoil. Morons like rj are the ignorant 'hate mongers' who could care less about their country or this planet. These are the very WORST people alive today. Children die when fools recklessly spout hate such as this. To tell you the truth--hate is so entrenched in that region that I don't believe there will be peace over there in 1000 years...not even in 100,000 years (I think they absolutely enjoy hating each other--it's part of who they are and they're damn proud of it).
You see? It's stupid comments like this that keep the region in constant turmoil. Morons like rj are the ignorant 'hate mongers' who could care less about their country or this planet.
Stick around, Mr. Eaton, you ain't seen nothing yet. He doesn't like Israel, Muslims, Pakistanis or Americans. However, he's quite the sharp dresser.
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They have got you both fooled.
rjh is not a real person. He is a wind-up doll, equipped with a few cliches, a limited intellect, no insights or humane instincts. We can only guess what its creators have in mind.
I worry that they may have given it too much autonomy. Its mangled grammar and syntax hint at very limited human intervention.
They have got you both fooled.
rjh is not a real person. He is a wind-up doll, equipped with a few cliches, a limited intellect, no insights or humane instincts. We can only guess what its creators have in mind.
Other than those trivial limitations, he's pretty much ordinary.
And he's not from Scotland but from Australia.
All of this leads me to wonder what it has to do with peace in the larger middle east.
Any more off-posting will have repercussions. Do I have to spell that out?
They have got you both fooled.
rjh is not a real person. He is a wind-up doll, equipped with a few cliches, a limited intellect, no insights or humane instincts. We can only guess what its creators have in mind.
Other than those trivial limitations, he's pretty much ordinary.
And he's not from Scotland but from Australia.
All of this leads me to wonder what it has to do with peace in the larger middle east.
Any more off-posting will have repercussions. Do I have to spell that out?
Do try.
Do try.
You asked for it! YOU'RE BANNED! Put that in you Aussie crack pipe and smoke it!
Given the turmoil in the region and the all too common attacks by suicide bombers, I'd like to suggest some Middle Eastern sporting events. At the top of the list I suggest a suicide bomber competition.
The Rules
1. No women
2. Primarily other suicide bombers shall be targeted
3. Mullahs are fair game, an exception to rule 2
4. Self-immolation allowed, but only with permission from Allah
i sense , their Methodes to train the Kamikaze troops is almost same like Dark Marketing ---> Multi Level Marketing .
so if in that Marketing they Do some ---> Argumentum ad nauseam to Fill the Victims Mind with Fake Dream .
Such as : Rich without work , Got 1 Million dollar inStanly , etc .
so .. what the Mindwasher do .. is Repeating some BS , like ---> If you die in War , you'll go to Heaven .
you'll got 72 Angels that always Virgin , etc .
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beside that .. i guess , in Middle east there are some Chronic cycle Bullying .
Since in some case , the Victim of Bullying can have some PTSD .
from PTSD + Racing thoughts ( BS Dreams about angel ) it can conflicted with Schizophrenia , etc .
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The great Scammer / Lier .
can make their Victims feels so Happy , and make them Helps "the One" who Lie to them until the last Blood .
I don't know why it happens, but it always does. A thread opens, carries on for 10 or 12 posts and then migrates on to something totally unrelated...String Theory, bangers and mash, rjhowie, quantum mechanics or breasts.
Why is that?
BTW, I went to a children's concert last evening after dining at Bud&Stanley's bar/restaurant. I had a spicy pasta dish with shrimp and diced peppers. Delicious.
What's the difference between "Quick Quote (experimental)" and "Quote (selected)"?
The former allows you to make multiple quoting - before going to the "Quick reply" area, the last piece you want to quote - you hit the latter - and go down Moses.
What's the difference between "Quick Quote (experimental)" and "Quote (selected)"?
Quick Quote generally does a better job of quoting parts of a post. Quote (selected) could do either parts or the whole post, but wasn't so good at parts. I reverted it to classic Quote as was intended.
Frans, I've reported your post - adding a comment on the interlude there;) ;D
I removed (experimental) from the text because it's working fine really, but it doesn't currently deal with nested quotes.
The former allows you to make multiple quoting - before going to the "Quick reply" area, the last piece you want to quote - you hit the latter - and go down.
Got it...thanks. That's simpler than what I've done in the past.
Hey, get the "slow" quote back with its "selected" feature.
First, I'm dead accustomed to it. Second, it's nice&easy. Third, you're all banned for off-topicism.
Frans, I've reported your post - adding a comment on the interlude there;) ;D
Josh, I have to ask: How in bloody thunder can you report the OWNER of these boards??? That took some doing. Further, what did you expect to happen? Ban the owner???? ;D
::)
To tell you the truth--hate is so entrenched in that region that I don't believe there will be peace over there in 1000 years...not even in 100,000 years (I think they absolutely enjoy hating each other--it's part of who they are and they're damn proud of it).
Where did you get this truth? Historically there was peace since Saladin to British rule. That's about 800 years. British colonisation made it into a quagmire and Israel made it into a hell-hole. Under Muslim rule the place was just fine.
Interesting old (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Peters) map (http://www.globalresearch.ca/plans-for-redrawing-the-middle-east-the-project-for-a-new-middle-east/3882) (from 2006). I wonder how much blood it would take to get from here to there.
That particular map would be bloody to implement, yes, and it would ensure continued bloodshed. Some reasons:
- Expanded Azerbaijan (why?)
- Diminished Iran (particularly Arab Shia state would be better off under Iran, that's where Shias want to be)
- Unredeemed Armenia
- Israel is still on the map
- the nationality of the person who drew the map
I don't know why it happens, but it always does. A thread opens, carries on for 10 or 12 posts and then migrates on to something totally unrelated...String Theory, bangers and mash, rjhowie, quantum mechanics or breasts.
Yes, now I got the idea of Herbalife suicide bombers stuck in my mind.
"Lose Life Now, Ask Me How,"
Frans, I've reported your post - adding a comment on the interlude there;) ;D
Josh, I have to ask: How in bloody thunder can you report the OWNER of these boards??? That took some doing. Further, what did you expect to happen? Ban the owner???? ;D
Probably wanted to see how many more childish tantrums he can get away with.
I'd appreciate comments from those of you who are more knowledgeable about the area.
There's no one.
So, what country is that one called in the map "Islamic Sacred State"? never heard about it. It's just bellow Jordan that appears as "Greater Jordan"...
So, what country is that one called in the map "Islamic Sacred State"? never heard about it. It's just bellow Jordan that appears as "Greater Jordan"...
That's the Hajj destination area, set apart probably to be under community management by the whole Muslim world. Hardly a workable idea. Will the Wahhabi dictatorship really be happy in the Saudi desert next to it? Besides, Saudis are friends of the U.S., vital to their interests in the region. Another oversight from the drawer of the map.
Another oversight from the drawer of the map.
Yes,he seems to be very creative...
Historically there was peace since Saladin to British rule. That's about 800 years. British colonisation made it into a quagmire and Israel made it into a hell-hole.
Divide et impera
As I suspected this alternative Forum would be is proving correct. Essentially another wee club for the self-opiniated, self appraising open minded intellectuals.
As for morons jseaton2311 yoi really madw me laugh outright at your own limited attitude (your pic embodies you well). If criticising Israeli fascism is moronic then society really has a problem. Israel is just as dangerous as Middle East terrorists. It steals land just the Nazis did in the 30's for expansion has a Mossad which acts like the Gestapo (murdering who it likes), stealing British and Aussie passports for their agents, ignores the UN and so on. All funded by the US and the Big Zionist lobby in the US.
Jimbro comes in and as usual waffles about me hating groups of people which is an over the top and stupid appraisal. In actual practice I have always differentiated between situations but that he resorts to corrupting and distorting betrays much. If he wanders off the self-styled satire expect a daft aim. He and a couple of others just want a cosy club here and if you are direct and offend their touchy sensitivities expect as stupid stuff as this jseaton2311 character. Britain only looked after Palestine temporarily and had problems doing that favour which resulted in the Jewish terror gangs who murdered British soldiers (including 2 on lamp posts outside a hotel).
You are entitled to an opinion jseaton2311 just lime me and anyone else here and if you don't like it don't show your limited grey cells by coming out with this moron stuff it only distracts and tends to show a limited grey cell and narrow outlook of your own. Israel anyway remains the biggest threat and gets away with practical murder stealing homes and land should never have been allowed to declare a State without those who also lived there being treated better. Maybe some of you here are too pampered mentally just as in Opera and we shall see.Jews who abhor Zionism and what it is doing but have no chance of doing anything about this rogue State. As for it being a so-called democracy ask the minorities there how they are treated. And the nonsense that the impression is being given that the land was somehow a long time possession of the former British empire shows the ignorance of those here who say that. The closed soft mind-sets here need a tin opener to let the air in to the grey cells!
Leaked recording: Intelligence chief Hakan Fidan debating with Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Deputy Chief of Staff Yasar Guler and other officials about a false flag operation that would serve as alibi for intervention in Syria.
Hakan Fidan: "I'll send 4 men from Syria, if that's what it takes. I'll make up a cause of war by ordering a missile attack on Turkey; we can also prepare an attack on Suleiman Shah Tomb if necessary."
source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB5CF-tsKok)
The civil war in Syria has many faces. The USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey - to name just a few.
It seems that since Mr.Obama holds off from humanitarian bombing other options have to be put on the table to topple Assad.
This one for rjhowie. To show that you really don't like somebody or some country, compare them to Hitler or Nazis.
Don't like Obama? He's just one more Hitler. Cameron? The same. Putin? No...I kind of like him.
Three out of three for trying that one boy.
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