The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #725 – 2016-02-14, 14:00:38

That clearly was a "the king[maker] is dead" event. You can spot a succession event by how the usual long-winded eulogies about the deceased's love of children and dogs are largely foregone for the more urgent matter of succession.

I liked Hillary Clinton's impromptu trolling of nominating Obama for Supreme Court Justice. It would probably be among the last candidates a President Clinton would pick, but for Candidate Clinton to "endorse" it was very House of Cards (the US version).

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Reply #726 – 2016-02-14, 15:57:58

Midnight Racoon is at his usual level and maybe there is a mental redneck degree in the ex-colonies. Trying to use Lord Ashcroft in comparison to what goes on over the pond is an illustration of stupidity. I detailed thw far wider parliamentary system we have compared to the big 2 money parties that run America. There is no comparison at all. Even with the Democrats the tens of millions of disadvanted are there everywhere in the USA. Instead of being able to compare with our better system and wider party involvement even for local issues we get utter stupidity from him.

It will in general make no damn difference to those tens of millions of the worse off in the wonderful Disneyland that is US politics or so-called democracy. What is there is by the decision of the money me and they are with the Democrats too and so is that smart arse, Hillary Clinton. The one more important matter is that the excellent showing nders will be a chance fror the future. When I watched her being interviewed regarding the Wall Street mioney men speech payment she squirmed. Both Trump and Saunders (who is more positive) get the bounce because so many Americans are fed up with what passes for a democratic thing and they know it.

Clinton like that two-faced Obama will continue with the Wall Street mob, encourage military bases everywhere for the age-old groan of "security". Indeed so many Yanks have been brained by that word they tend to accept it! Drones will continue to grow (remember wonderful Obama fired off more of them that GW Bush did). The unwanted base on Cuba will continue and is a damnable disgrace being in a country that does not want the US base on their soil. Rights, freedoms, etc? A load of codswallop.

Clinton will get the White House and the people will have missed their chance to get somewhere more positive than bankrupting the place for imperialism and military corporate business. The salary stagnation, struggling economy and building a new Cold War will all continue The so-called 2 party system is a damnable joke and even more so the further down society you are. If there was a wider range of parties in the millionaires Hill that would make a difference but the money controllers will see that doesn't happen as they are in charge of the Democrats and republicans so forget real democracy.

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Reply #727 – 2016-02-14, 18:41:36

The specific complaint of yours that I was addressing is the supposed wealth of our lawmakers. I was merely noting that Lord Ashcroft has all of ours beat my large margin and he's not the only one your side. Then, as per usual, you veer off into your usual anti-American rant like a broken robot that can only repeat the same phrases in a loop.

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Reply #728 – 2016-02-14, 19:56:13

Well he's doing enough body swerving to keep up a hula hoop. Jaws about a lack of democracy from a land where hereditary offices keep watch over his diverse parliamentary dreams.

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Reply #729 – 2016-02-15, 14:48:07

There is no comparison at all ensband fine you dashed well know it. We DO have a wider political system in PRACTICE and you don't. Just two big money parties controlling everything and leaving increasing numbers of ordinary Americans out. For goodness sake even for your built-in self smugness on the wonderful system there is no comparison . Here more parties are involved and there is not a same situation as in the corporate string pullers in the ex-colonies. Trying to use the Head of state matter is grasping at straws and when you look at the repeated families in the USA involved in senior politics you do have a nerve.

I tried to make it as simple as I could for the would-be rednecks here by showing we had more than 2 national parties like your unfortunate controlled fiefdom as well as regional political parties. Far more democratic than the 2 control freak lots you have. That nearly half your lower house are multi-millionaires and over 60% of the upper fiascon says more directly. If your people were allowed a wider opportunity maybe there would not be so many Americans who wonder why they should bother voting and know who really runs the country. It is in practice a crying shame the way the country has been taken over by the greedy money barons and as I repeatedly have pointed out that there was a President and a Republican too (!) who warned tyou all of the increasing power of money moguls (Eisenhower, remember??)

What we get here i this thread is a determination not to face the hard truth that many Americans are feeling nowadays hence the rise of Trump and Saunders (more positive of the two. Utter frustration, misuses of that Constitution and money control while training people to be ultra nationalist mental flag waving brained. Rather than face the truth the mindset controllers try to avoid the truth by getting a dig elsewhere.

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Reply #730 – 2016-02-15, 15:36:56

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-15, 09:48:07

Utter frustration, misuses of that Constitution and money control while training people to be ultra nationalist mental flag waving brained.

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Reply #731 – 2016-02-15, 17:56:22

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-13, 22:37:30

The usual ex-colonist brained guff.

We in practice have a far wider parliamentary system. There are a 3 main national parties (4 if you consider that UKIP now has an MP and also won the Euro Elections on britain). In addition there are regional parties like the Welsh and Scottisn nationalist parties and the Unionists in Ulster. It is completely different from what goes on in your messed up money controlled fiefdom. Some 40% of your lower House are multi-millionaires and 60% of the Senate. The 2 parties are rules by money barons and you do not have the wider situation we have in parliament the standing committees and wider democracy. So you are the big losers and that Clinton woman taking in that $670,000 dollars from the finance sector from 3 speeches alone?

So you are trying to ignore that both the Democrats and Republicans aren't tied up with the Wall Street controllers whereas here having the national and regional aspect to our democracy puts you lot in the damnable shade. So sneer and be as crassly ignorant as you like but even with rich people our system is broader based and more challenging to money than your political joke.

Tell us more about how food and clothing pantries have exponentially increased since that twa* Cameron has been in office please.
Is that the UK you want? The Scotland you want?

He is of course (thankfully) your problem, but I for one loathe the man. I was very lucky to get to have my study abroad experience when I did, as the very next semester, that fawking c*nt imposed those outrageous tuition feed UK-wide.

I have many fond memories of my study abroad experience, but some of my favorite were marching against David Cameron and his jackass policies, in solidarity with loads of professors who were due to be let go at the end of the semester.

Apologies for some slight vulgarity, but this sums up my thoughts on Mr. Howie's hero, David Cameron:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_V0zYJtMMpY[/video]

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Reply #732 – 2016-02-15, 17:59:28

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-15, 07:48:07

I tried to make it as simple as I could for the would-be rednecks here by showing we had more than 2 national parties

You see it is my username that's really simple.

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-15, 07:48:07

ensband

You're trying to over complicate this. Like your parliamentary system actually. I can only assume that is by design. Power is shifted around so you're not really sure who can do what, I guess. All I know is you can't explain it.

-92 peers are hereditary.
-26 of those are bishops.
-18 of 29 cabinet members are multimillionaires and that number has been higher more recently.
-400 people own over 90% of all the land in Scotland.

Here's a good place to start explaining. (if you can put that hula hoop down.).

Defending your own system is probably impossible so you want to talk about the US all the time. You've proven that countless times. No thought you have is your own and you're nothing more than a bully. Your attacks only serve your tiny little feelings. Your wit isn't what upsets people. I gripe about my government too. I guess they feed you yours in a soup you find quite nice. As long as the establishment of clergy, hereditary peers and MPs that have enough influence and get nominated, not elected, don't cause too much fuss one house works pretty well if you give some of them executive powers and mention the queen every once in awhile.

So please control yourself old man. Big boy time. (Or go back and play with your trains and boys like every weirdo ever.)

*edited out some of the distraction.

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Reply #733 – 2016-02-17, 03:12:09

You are a typical Yank and cannot answer the hypocritical charges. Instead you try and use the limited knowledge of how this democracy operates. It is the House of Commons which decides and the House of Lords does an excellent job of reviewing matters before the Commons which is the elected chamber makes the decision. The Commons includes a far wider political range than your chamber full of the moneyed lot does and you choose to ignore this because it does not suit you. In fact you lot are brained from young that you are the greatest democracy etc in the world and just look at the state of things in practice! Parties outside your bg two get nowhere but here they do and that does not suit you so handy for you to ignore the truth . It is always the same on this forum that when you system ius shown to be badly flawed grabbing hold of some small points where is the usual answer. Our MP's decide NOT the Lords which is a checking chamber. In addition our top taxed people pay around 25% of the tax brought in and they also get taxed more than your lot (not surprising considering the 40% and 60% I mention on the Hill).

So we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there. Having been brained since young of being the world's greatest democracy it is hardly surprising the guff one gets from you but not your fault it is the way you are brought up. Only 2 parties in your "parliament" and you side swipe at us?! It doesn't matter a tinker's curse which of the 2 money controlled parties you have in power and when you see some of the people you have right now who want to be President that only belabours the deep flaw and problem you lot have got.

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Reply #734 – 2016-02-17, 08:31:26

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-16, 19:12:09

You are a typical Yank and cannot answer the hypocritical charges.

RJ, when a hypocrite calls you a hypocrite — what can you say?

But, when a hypocrite is too ignorant or indoctrinated to know that he is one, others easily see it…
Carry on, old sod!

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-16, 19:12:09

we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there

First: You do know that most people are stupid and venal?

Second, you've heard that stupidity multiplied by stupidity equals… Hm. What would you think? Third, your "parties" are mere window-dressing for the powers that be in you islands; if you are too daft to realize that, that's no skin off my nose. But It does mitigate the import of your diatribes…

Look at it this way, RJ: You're an ill-educated man, of little experience, little intellectual means or endeavor, and little interest in the world-at-large… But you are bellicose to an extent that makes something quite clear to me: You'd have made a fine Nazi! Most of the "pieces" are in place.
Too bad they didn't win WW II, huh?

You might have been an Uber-something or other!
But, quite naturally, you revert your admiration to the Russian strongman Putin — as the model of a statesman. (Guess even you recognize, the Reich ain't coming back.) Were you born a fascist, I wonder?

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-16, 19:12:09

So we in hard fact do have a broader representative system in our MP's the wide range of different parties and that is a much more democratic thing than you lot have got over there.

Perhaps. But what has it got you? Indeed, if you can think of such tings, what will it get your children and grandchildren?
A Mao? A Lenin? A Hitler? A Tito? A Mussolini? A Lincoln? A Reagan? A Thatcher?

You're fond of being inconsequential. (You've earned that status, and you should be proud: When one has nothing left to give, one should retire — take up gardening, perhaps? Or toy trains?

) But you're also fond of criticizing your betters — those who have actually done better than you. That's just bile, boy-o; and you know it!

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Reply #735 – 2016-02-17, 09:12:27

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-17, 03:12:09

The Commons includes a far wider political range than your chamber full of the moneyed lot does and you choose to ignore this because it does not suit you.

Does it? The other day I read a piece proclaiming the Republican party has died and been replaced by waring factions of evangelicals, wall street types, perpetually angry Trumpites, Tea Partiers, etc. That in and of itself is not interesting. What makes it a little so is that poster noted that the Democratic Party is divided among Democratic Socialists, progressives, liberals (often conflated with progressives), etc. The take-away is that while only two parties have representation in Congress, they represent a wide array of viewpoints and backgrounds.

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Reply #736 – 2016-02-17, 09:20:36

And the same kind of incoherent decadent society as GB?

Two of the things conservatism seeks to mitigate are incoherence and decadency… But some people actually want both!

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Reply #737 – 2016-02-17, 17:21:02

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-16, 20:12:09

Instead you try and use the limited knowledge of how this democracy operates.

So you're saying I can't read some articles or such and understand the full scope of the situation? Don't worry. I knew you wouldn't understand. I did kind of expect you to give me a little more than I can read in articles or wiki tho. Sorry, I expected too much knowing your telly would provide the answers. Not like you've ever shown a capacity to be much more.

I guess the problem is I'm just not willing to attack a whole nation because I think you're a daft hypocrite. And others made a couple of points I meant to touch on in the follow up... So I guess this gets to be shorter than I initially thought.

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Reply #738 – 2016-02-17, 23:14:26

No, you are being deliberately ignorant and grasp at straws which does not help you at all. Trying to use passing incidents to dismiss our far wider democracy is the point. Our parliament with far more political representation is way ahead of the 2 parties run by the rich that run your country.

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Reply #739 – 2016-02-18, 00:37:13

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-17, 16:14:26

No, you are being deliberately ignorant and grasp at straws which does not help you at all. Trying to use passing incidents to dismiss our far wider democracy is the point.

Translation: "Yo mama so fat she jumped in the air and got stuck!"

Quote from: rjhowie on 2016-02-17, 16:14:26

Our parliament with far more political representation is way ahead of the 2 parties run by the rich that run your country.

Okay. I'm still listening... Ehh, you know what? God save the Queen and good day, Sir. :salute: I'm in far too good a mood to bother.

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Reply #740 – 2016-02-18, 18:17:18

No you cannot really answer the system your country is saddled with so fall back on the ususal trait of goung elsewhere to avoid the damnable truth. That so many Americans are suffering due to the system is only enhanced by the factual truth of this Presidential carnival race. On the Republican side a whole range of squabbling candidates and trump well in front (what a joke!). On the Democrat side Clinton who tries to say she is of the money barons corner but you lot ignore that hefty payout she got for speaking and sponsored by them. The other candidates Senator Saunders is of a stance that is traditionally out of sync with the traditional carve up. Clinton will get the job and will make no damn difference to the millions with stagnating incomes the homeless legions and the tens of millions of poor.

The support Trump and Saunders are getting says much about what passes over the pond as so many people as i have always said feel increasingly left out of things. There is no wide political party scenario and the 2 giants have made sure of that and Americans increasingly frustrated. Saunders is probably the best for the ordinary person but due to the control freakery of the money controlled government system and media a forlorn hope. When you and others can come back with a proper multi-party representative system then boast but meantime give great credence to doing a sidestep or a desperate misdirection to somewhere else or fall back on sneering and sod all.

When Clinton takes over the barons will continue the half the global military bill will continue the numbers losing homes or or food stamps will not fall, confrontation with Russia for daring to challenge the part democracy country, attack countries that won't accept the hegemony are all going to be there. Democracy? The word is misused well!

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Reply #741 – 2016-02-18, 23:39:12

About candidates, Pope Francis declared that that Trump thing can't be a Christian.

Anyone that only thinks about building walls not about building bridges can't be a Christian, His Holyness said.
Francis, the people loves you.

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Reply #742 – 2016-02-19, 01:16:18

It's a long-traditioned love: Fools have a special place in the hearts of most societies… But few forget that the fool is a fool!

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Reply #743 – 2016-02-19, 01:55:13

I wonder if Howie will at least learn to spell Sanders before the election?

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Reply #744 – 2016-02-19, 01:59:24

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-19, 01:55:13

I wonder if Howie will at least learn to spell Sanders before the election?

Clearly this is who he is talking about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Saunders_(American_football_coach)

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Reply #745 – 2016-02-19, 03:48:19

There's an amusing bio of Bernie Sanders on the Prison Planet site (…which I don't recommend, for any serious purposes!) that sticks pretty close to the facts. What a loser! Of course, government "service" was his best option…
His main idea seems to be that we can all get by, by taking in each others' laundry!

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Howie, you've lived your life the same way. Are you happy with it?

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Reply #746 – 2016-02-19, 06:57:52

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-02-19, 01:16:18

It's a long-traditioned love: Fools have a special place in the hearts of most societies… But few forget that the fool is a fool!

You go tell that to the hispanic vote...

Trump can say bye bye to his election. So many millon dollars vaporized with just a simple sentence. Yes, it must hurt deep inside.

The man was asking for it.

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Reply #747 – 2016-02-19, 15:54:06

Yep. He said a bunch of stupid crap already about them being rapists, etc in his quest to win the GOP primary. What he doesn't realize that a lot of legal hispanics (born in the this country or not) heard him call them rapists.

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Reply #748 – 2016-02-20, 01:16:21

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-02-20, 03:54:06

Yep. He said a bunch of stupid crap already about them being rapists

Geeeez, when will it ever end!? Next, he might start calling them RACISTS.....well, it always works fer the Leftards.

Now, I know this is only the HuffPost, but somehow he keeps on keepin' on......no matter what he says.

It's almost like he's leading a protest, & everyone is angry enough to realize he's their only real shot to stuff it to the RINOs?

Hopefully they'll wake up soon enough to realize it's about the big picture.......stopping the Mother Queen Bitch....& the Socialtards

Now, excuse me....but the Captain says were coming into a school of Tuna....gotta go!

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Reply #749 – 2016-02-20, 02:10:15

Quote from: SmileyFaze on 2016-02-20, 01:16:21

It's almost like he's leading a protest, & everyone is angry enough to realize he's their only real shot to stuff it to the RINOs?

Well the fact that it's HuffPo doesn't change the numbers any more that it coming from Fox or Breitbart does (I always find it amusing that Rightards think their sources are any better than HuffPo, Oakdale doesn't get confused again that doesn't mean that HuffPo isn't slanted and posts inane stories...:p) Anyway, Trump is and Sanders is doing so from his side of the spectrum. But Donald will never be elected in the general election, the electoral college stands in his way. Let me put this way; Trump gets the nomination, the Democrats break out the champagne.

But I have to wonder what happens to Trump's lead when more candidates start dropping out of the race. None of the those numbers show him having a majority. And what about delegate counts? The national poll for either party doesn't mean that much without looking at how each is doing in specific states, especially California.