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DnD Central / Re: Do you consider yourself free?

Quote from: Belfrager
I got tired of being a money slave, there's much better things on life to be lived than money. Freedom and passion (maybe antagonistic things, eh?  ) are surely more important than money.

Generally speaking, I agree, but there are things that require money...raising children, having enough to buy food and keep a roof over one's head.
Actually, none of these requires any money. Children need clothes, food, education, and a home, and parents need the capacity to provide those things. Money is just a detour to get what we really need.
5203
Hobbies & Entertainment / Re: The Longest Journey
There was a kind of quest game (I guess this is what you mean by adventure games) for Sony Ericsson P800 over a decade ago. It was free and basic. For example when the traveller encountered a wolf, the fight consisted in taking-turns-one-by-one instances of attacks, no retreat, no surrender. Whoever started was the winner. Or this is how it looked to me. I never was good at figuring out hidden stuff in games. Not my genre.

Strategy games were more my genre. About two decades ago I was seriously addicted to Warcraft II. So seriously that I actually had to cut the addiction by drastic means. Now I am cautious about playing even chess. But for old times' sake I recently sought up and downloaded Warcraft II music. Awesome.

I have no clue about any of the games mentioned here. I suppose they are all like Doom, except that there's more searching of charms rather than killing enemies. And this feels perfectly sufficient knowledge for me.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: XP after XP

So you say, I could keep both?
Can I keep the XP?

Yes, you can have many systems side by side, but it takes solid practice to learn partitioning.

First things first:

- Learn to create a bootable USB stick
- Change the boot sequence in BIOS
- Boot the stick on your nettop, connect to internet, mount drives, browse the net and your files
- Do the booting with different Linuxes at least three times, only then study cautiously the partition tool http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/gparted.html
5206
Forum Administration / Re: Costs
Haha, Frenzie. Of course, given your temperament, you don't find ads bothersome when they don't attract you. I am also not out to chase Muslim women or single moms, but ads annoy me to the extreme overall. I tend to think all business is unethical and advertising in all forms is also unethical right after banking and insurance sectors. Luckily there's no fear of you going commercial (yet).

The only thinkable commercially lucrative prospect for this forum is to merge with some other tech forum in the long run. We have Linux talk already. We could support the Otter guy with more focus, to become a kind of public platform for him. Along with the other things we do, this could keep our spirit afloat a longer while, so that people here acquire a sense of unity and become susceptible to campaigning for monetary support or any other cause you may think of :)

This is an important topic. I sort of sensed that the move to a new domain name wasn't quite free of charge. Have you thought of a donate button somewhere at the bottom edge? Have you contacted the Otter guy, invite him here, so we can interact and see if we could join heads and hands?
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DnD Central / Re: The Problem with Agnosticism
People are different, but not too different in my opinion. If you think you and I are insurmountably different, then you are asking from the wrong person. Find someone who suits your mindset better, whom you can believe more easily. 

The philosophy that serves as a perfect explanation of everything for me, evidently means nothing for you, so I must admit we are different on this point. The way I am explaining things is the dummies' version from my point of view. To ask to detect God is, to me, so self-evidently a wrong demand that I don't understand why you keep insisting on it.

Remember that I am a convert myself. I converted solely by the power of my own mind. Nobody preached to me, ever. There are no religious people in my family and circle of friends. I am the only one. At conversion, some things changed, such as my understanding of the deeper meaning of life. I reconciled the fact of life with the fact of death, happiness with suffering. Heaven and hell, spirit, soul, matter, and a host of other concepts acquired significance for me. This all only took a little more insight into the nature of the mind-aspect of the universe. This may sound complex or mystical, but isn't, because everyone of us has a mind and can acquire the same insight right here right now, by turning the attention there.

There are some things that didn't change. For example, my hierarchy of proof was always this way:

- Empirical detection is the least important
- Inductive reasoning is a bit better
- Deductive reasoning is most convincing

So, to me to talk about detecting as proof or evidence of something, of anything, always was like the buzzing of flies, meaningless babble. I simply don't understand when people speak of detection as evidence, it's either trivial or meaningless, worthless in either case. To get to the real truth, the attention must be directed not at fleeting things, but in the opposite direction. It's correct that not everybody is well predisposed for introspection, but absolutely everybody has their own mind at their disposal at all times, so nobody is far from the opportunity to try this either.

It's just a matter of making up your own mind. Anybody should be able to do it.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Otter Browser
I noticed that 'otter-browser' is already an entity in 'yaourt'. Sure enough, Qt5 was a requirement. I followed the steps to build and install it. It gave no errors, but the end product unfortunately doesn't launch. I don't know why and I don't care too much.
Hey, today it launched! I am posting in Otter now.

Praised be 'yaourt'!
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DnD Central / Re: The Problem with Agnosticism

If a God existed he would be detected; otherwise He has to choose to be undetectable to us which means His existence is of no relevance to us.  Either way we can stop worrying about it and move on to more important things.
If you really arrived at the conclusion that you should not worry about God, it makes me wonder why you keep worrying about him. Evidently your subconsciousness is pounding at your mental threshold loudly enough, informing you of your denial.

Detection is not everything. Everybody knows this except you. Detection is the same thing as perception and perception is not reliable, as anyone who ever dreamed or hallucinated can tell.

Facts become knowledge only after methodical organisation. In the process, many perceived facts are discarded as irrelevant or merely apparent as opposed to real, such as dreams or hallucinations. This is an example of inductive reasoning, the inferior type of logic. Beyond this, there are a priori intuitions, inferences, things that cannot be coherently denied. These are the elements of deductive reasoning, the superior type of logic.

Knowledge crucially depends on one's grasp of deductive reasoning, not on perception. This is particularly true with the current topic, which is not about isolated phenomenal facts, but about ultimate things, about the limit of knowledge. For example, we don't detect our own limit of reason. Instead, we reasonably infer that it exists, it's there. We cannot measure the scope of our ignorance with precision. Instead, from what we know we either extrapolate what we don't know, or we infer a magnitude that we reasonably cannot deny.

As a minimum, we cannot coherently deny our own existence and we cannot deny some limit to our knowledge. We cannot deny the inevitability of organising the perceived facts and thus we cannot deny the power of reasoning that organises the facts. You cannot detect any of these. You cannot detect the existence of things beyond the limit of mind, but you cannot deny them either. You cannot detect the mind itself, but you cannot coherently deny it either. Nothing makes sense otherwise. Nothing can be explained otherwise.

This is deductive reasoning. If explanations play a role in your convictions, then you go by deductive reasoning, not by mere detection.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: XP after XP

In what way you need to update your base system? AFAIK, it's possible to keep various versions of same stuff around to satisfy all the weird dependencies, e.g. multiple kernels, Qt4 and Qt5 side by side, etc. It's probably not easy, but surely it's not any easier in Windows either.
So far I've had no problems on my Windows with applications' upgrades. They just upgrade!..::)
:rolleyes:
I wasn't talking (only) about applications, but more like about dependencies, how applications cooperate or conflict with each other or interact with the base, kernel, and libraries.

Anyway, looks like now that I have customised my Manjaro on Packard Bell Intel Atom netbook pretty far, I will need to reinstall it http://forum.manjaro.org/index.php?topic=7319
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DnD Central / Re: The Problem with Agnosticism

You are right. My statement is tied to context. In the context, the emphasis is on God choosing, not us detecting. If God is a chooser, his existence is already logically presupposed.


I thought that was the case, the conclusion depends on the assumption that God exists, that assumption rooted in a claim that imagination equates with logic.
Yes, if logic is imaginary for you. But logic is not imaginary for me. I deduce everything based on facts and logic. Logically you can't have someone who, on one hand, makes choices, but, at the same time, does not exist.


So it all boils down to a claim that religious-based thinking is superior to other thinking and that no measurable or observable evidence is necessary because the "logic" of such thinking, being revealed by God and only available to those that believe, is so wonderful. A little bit of day-dreaming methinks.

That may seem a harsh statement, but it is against generations upon generations of what use to a religious elite claiming superiority over everyone else.

Same tactic, longer words.
You are right that I attribute superiority to logic and rationality over statements and claims that go contrary to reason and facts, but please help me to understand how you can find such a conviction to be religious-based.
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DnD Central / Re: The Problem with Agnosticism

If God chooses to be undetectable (or if he chooses anything at all), then it logically follows that he exists, and has chosen to be undetectable to you.
I presume that remark depends in some way on the context of what was said before because by itself it is not logical that God exists because He is undetectable, rather the opposite.
You are right. My statement is tied to context. In the context, the emphasis is on God choosing, not us detecting. If God is a chooser, his existence is already logically presupposed.


If you are going to go on to say that He is detectable to you ... how do you detect God?
Spirit is a logical implication in continuum theories. God is spirit. This is a deist or panentheist definition of God. There's no detection of spirit in an empirical sense. Rather, it's an inevitable logical deduction like existence itself.

If you insist on saying that it's mere faith, it's the same kind of faith as faith in logic and rationality. For example, you don't throw out the Big Bang theory or evolution theory merely because you can't detect Big Bang or evolution. You can't detect them, but there are facts that strongly imply Big Bang or evolution, and so you believe those theories. You believe in them until a better explanation emerges, if at all. But continuum theories are more fundamental than this. Quantum mechanics is more fundamental than relativity theory.

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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Otter Browser
This is a post to praise 'yaourt', Arch Linux's package manager. It may superficially look like any old download&install centre with command-line interface, but in fact it automates package building from source. As a result, the installation process for a package looks like some install wizard on Windows, except that it's command line :) Along the way, the user is provided with chances to modify installation scripts, info on and detouring to install the dependencies and such.

I noticed that 'otter-browser' is already an entity in 'yaourt'. Sure enough, Qt5 was a requirement. I followed the steps to build and install it. It gave no errors, but the end product unfortunately doesn't launch. I don't know why and I don't care too much. I went through the same process to install Opera 11.62 and this launches and browses just fine :)
5214
Forum Administration / Re: Logging in onto the 'new site';)
For me it works. At first the switch to the new site forced a logout. I mean, I have saved the cookie and I have "forever" selected for login, and, once logged in, I never needed to login again at my main computer, but the change of address forced me to log in again.

But now it works. I mean:

1. I have a bunch of dnd.fransdejonge urls in my browser history.
2. I select such a url to go to a thread.
3. It redirects to .eu, no (re-)login required.

Then again, I use an esoteric browser to access this site. The experience could be totally different for everybody else.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: XP after XP

You need to update the base system to install new programs after a while.

In what way you need to update your base system? AFAIK, it's possible to keep various versions of same stuff around to satisfy all the weird dependencies, e.g. multiple kernels, Qt4 and Qt5 side by side, etc. It's probably not easy, but surely it's not any easier in Windows either.


Some people are angry at Ubuntu for creating Deb-based packages which include their own libraries, but I believe that might just be exactly what's needed for the Linux desktop to truly rival Windows.
Yes. People value convenience. To update packages centrally is convenient. Angry people should choose a less convenient distro, such as Gentoo or Arch.


Btw, early '90s themes are much prettier than the current crop of transparent or flat junk. :P
You mean on Linux or on Windows? Or on both? I hope you don't mean the Openbox desktop image I posted in the other thread :S Lxterminal is transparent there, but that's just about it. Xterm has a freaky white background and tiny font by default on Manjaro (the only distro that does it this way, AFAIK) but I fixed it to normal already.

For me XP's default theme always was a considerable inconvenience, because of the heavy effects. I always reverted to 2000-ish look on it to speed things up at work. Vista's improvements made things only worse. On Linux, I like the current Mint's and Manjaro's default theming a lot, but I still switch off Cinnamon's effects.
5216
Forum Administration / Re: New URL
Looks like I am @.eu now. I had trouble logging in for a while, but evidently I am in now :) Posting in Elinks.
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Forum Administration / Re: New URL
Looks like immediately after login, the .eu site redirects to fransdejonge. Tried in Elinks.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: XP after XP

I got one installation of XP Service Pack 1 (typing from it now), and another one with Service Pack 3 updated to June 2011 (I installed it recently).

I've heard nothing but bad things about updating: frequent restarts, unstable drivers added, consumtion of disk space with updates, reverting of customized settings, updates failing due to system having been tweaked.
All this applies to Linuxes too. For example this guy is a loud complainer http://my.opera.com/LorenzoCelsi/blog/2014/01/08/what-i-have-learned-today-while-moving-from-debian-stable-to-testing  (If you think of inviting him here, I already did. He apparently is not interested.)

Mind you, my favourite distro is Manjaro, a rolling-release distro. This means that once installed and updated, it becomes versionless: Everything is absolutely the latest and greatest, which means everything might break. I have had no issues with this so far, but maybe I luckily have the same hardware that the distro team is testing on and aiming for. This may change any day. For now I am mildly excited about this and having fun, but of course I will be frustrated when things go wrong and I need it for actual work...
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Browsers & Technology / Re: After XP — OS alternatives for Samsung NP?

If you want to try other operating systems from USB stick, you will have to set USB HDD (in my netbook it was called this way) as the first priority.
Is it so that the machine will start it at the boot instead of Windows or what?
And... Is it likely that such testing could corrupt or otherwise interfere with the Windows? How does it work, literally?
Exactly. When the boot order is changed, you will be booting up whatever is on the boot device (USB in this case) instead of what is installed in the netbook.

This booting won't do anything to the installed operating system. It will only begin to do things when you attempt to install it, but there's a clear difference between booting-up-and-trying versus installing. You will absolutely know when new installation begins, even if you begin it accidentally. Things inside the computer will only begin to change when you are several steps into the installing procedure.
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Browsers & Technology / Re: Keeping an eye on Opera
The thing with Chropera's net installer is that it's a device to facilitate downloading a stillborn product. Is the net installer really making anything better about the product itself? This is the first point against it.

The second point against it that it's dowsn't fulfil its stated purpose. The alleged purpose is this: "Opera, being popular in developing and low-bandwidth markets, have seen frequent failed installations due to network and other problems." How is this supposed to help against network problems or low bandwdith? Only a solid download manager of the full installer would help. The Opera net installer is just a downloader for one single program. Worthless.

Also: "The new installer will retry downloads if there are problems, ensure the latest version is always the one installed, and enhance security of the installation process." So, it is yet another update-enforcer, adding to net activity, calling home whenever possible, etc? Not just worthless, but outright dangerous.
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DnD Central / Re: Anthropogenic Global Warming

The greenhouse effect is what keeps us from freezing to death. You'd still have to add a qualifier, like accelerated greenhouse effect.
Well, of course, the "man-made" aspect there is the effect of freons, CO2, and other industrial or artificial additives. Ozone depletion was real, and "global warming" to me is the exact same discussion. Just the decade is different. Nobody denied ozone depletion or accused it of bad science, did they?
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Browsers & Technology / Re: After XP — OS alternatives for Samsung NP?

Do you know how to set boot devices?
No. I don't even know what that means...

As soon as you press the power button to start up your "nettop", begin beating F2 button frantically. A blue/gray screen presents itself. This is called BIOS. There you can move around with arrow keys, find the place where you can set the boot priorities. If you want to try other operating systems from USB stick, you will have to set USB HDD (in my netbook it was called this way) as the first priority.

...refreshing a clean XP package would, in my humble opinion...
???
What do you mean?

I suppose he means reinstalling XP, if the current installation really poses troubles for you. But mostly he means, if the current XP poses no serious trouble for you, if it works for everything you need, just let it be.
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DnD Central / Re: Anthropogenic Global Warming
Global warming is the wrong (and exlusively English) term for a real and measurable process. In the 70's and 80's it was called the greenhouse effect. Any denialists of that here? The greenhouse effect does not lead up to uniform soothing warming, but to chaotic turmoil, like a boiling kettle. Somehow everybody forgot this in the end of the 90's, when the issue became politicised.
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DnD Central / Re: The Problem with Agnosticism

You are doing well in denial. You manage to will even laws of nature into non-existence. God is not a sensible topic with you.

You need to learn how to be less predictable.  When you have no logical counter, you always resort to insult. 

I simply quoted you back at yourself. It's your own logic insulting you. I have been clear about my definitions of everything. You have not had anything to say about them even when I am supposedly predictable, so naturally I won't add unpredictability and surrealism to the mix, because you would just perceive more insults where there are none.


I will reiterate that God will be undetectable only when and because HE chooses to be.   Therefore, either knowledge of God is irrelevant to us or God simply doesn't exist.

If God chooses to be undetectable (or if he chooses anything at all), then it logically follows that he exists, and has chosen to be undetectable to you. The reasons for this are between you and God. Everybody has one's own relationship with God.
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Forum Administration / Re: New URL
Does uneventful mean all earlier addresses in my browser history will continue to work? Will they redirect to the new address?