Where debating everything under the sun is only the beginning

Quote from: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/june2017

The latest rise continues an upward trend seen in firearms offences in the last few years, however, offences are still 31% below a decade ago (in the year ending March 2007; Figure 11)..

......It begins to affect others when they over there bear arms, it is a constitutional right to them, and they think nobody else has such right and that any differing viewpoint of this matter is a sign of being a wimp etc. It is a real detriment to communication.

Quote from: ersi on 2017-11-20, 10:43:06

......It begins to affect others when they over there bear arms, it is a constitutional right to them, and they think nobody else has such right and that any differing viewpoint of this matter is a sign of being a wimp etc. It is a real detriment to communication.

I don't know anyone at all that feels that way.

...you are still likely watching your telly: The BBC wants you to die; you yourself want to, except and unless your "enemies" --people you disagree with-- might demise before you. Then, you could behave like the un-gentleman you are.

What you really object to about the U.S. 2nd Amendment is simple: You're a wimp. You've always been a wimp and a slacker:
You do what you do on-line because that's all that's left to you...

But take heart! You'll be gone before your country is, and before mine has to decide if we should save yours again.

Well I am afraid Jochie YOUR country duly elected him...........

Well no bother getting anything including machine guns in nutjobland Belfrager and just look at the numbers they shoot to death annually. More and more guns bought as "security" and the death numbers stay high. What a place.

You should be concentrating on the 40 million plus who are poor on food stamps the 2 million plus in jails the daftness of death sentences lasting a decade and more. The revolution is long gone as is 1813 and you should have learned to try and be progressively adult and leave crime and issues to the police and so on.

The Trump Administration is going to fix the Food Stamp problem.......take away food stamps & give them FOOD, that's right, they won't be able to sell the Food Stamps on the Black Market anymore, they will be just getting food to feed their hungry bodies.

Under Trump’s proposal, rather than getting all of their benefits to spend on groceries, SNAP recipients who receive more than $90 a month in benefits would also get a package of food that includes “shelf-stable” milk, juice, cereals, pasta, peanut butter, canned meat, and canned fruits and vegetables, all “100 percent American-grown and produced.” They’d pay for those boxes with their benefits and get the remaining value on the EBT card, the way the program works now.

The Trump Administration is going to fix the Food Stamp problem.......take away food stamps & give them FOOD, that's right, they won't be able to sell the Food Stamps on the Black Market anymore, they will be just getting food to feed their hungry bodies.

¹ Even under socialists something like your fridge breaking would be devastating. Under liberals it'd likely do you in, although liberals often lean more toward American-like systems where the poor might get some subsidy to buy a new fridge under the right circumstances. It's even said that in the Netherlands most poverty is simply a case of people not even knowing they can apply for some fringe (fridge? ) benefit like that.↵

Teachers and staff members in at least a dozen of Colorado’s most remote school districts are arming themselves instead of waiting for local law enforcement to rescue them in the face of a Columbine-style attack.

Those districts have employees carry concealed weapons, train like law officers and then be the first line of security should a school or classroom be targeted by assault.

Colorado law prohibits firearms in the classroom but does allow for security personnel to be armed. These smaller districts, fearing their vulnerability because of their far-flung locations, are training and reclassifying some teachers and staff as security personnel and overseeing the safe storage of their weapons.

The districts say they do so because hiring a security guard can cost more than a teacher’s salary. They also are not relying on the local sheriff’s department for help, where it could take a deputy 60 minutes to get to the front door.

“There’s a bunch of us out here in a kind of no-man’s land,” said Rick Mondt, superintendent for the Briggsdale School District in northeast Weld County.

A bill sponsored by Colorado Senate Majority Leader Chris Holbert, a Parker Republican, will allow a county sheriff to provide a handgun-safety training course to any employee of any public school who also possesses a permit to carry a concealed handgun. Under Senate Bill 5, which had its first hearing Tuesday, county sheriffs would consult with school boards to develop a curriculum for the courses.

The bill also says that someone employed by the school district and who carries a valid conceal-carry permit can carry a concealed handgun onto school grounds, if they have received permission from the local school board.

Training courses for teachers and other staff members are minimal in some cases, Holbert said, adding that his bill will establish and bolster training standards for armed school security.

“This is not a gun bill, but a training bill,” Holbert said.

The bill’s hearing drew both pro-gun and anti-gun speakers before passing 3-2 along a party-line vote. The majority Republicans supported the measure, which now moves to the full Senate.

Critics said the bill repeats the dangerous myth that more gun training will turn English teachers and custodians into experts at close-quarter combat.

“I am going to be a kindergarten teacher and I don’t want to worry about a gun in my possession or one of my colleagues having a gun in their possession,” said Carly Dougherty, whose aunt was killed during the assault at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2012.

But the bill’s proponents said having school staff members take gun training will discourage someone from targeting a classroom.

“My office is always fielding phone calls from schools and teachers who want to know how they can make the next angry, young man rethink his next move,” said Dudley Brown, head of the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners.

The districts with the policies say they are requiring the type of training routinely required of deputies and police officers.

“People think we are just offering up guns for anybody on our staff to use, and that is not the case,” said Randy Underwood, a member of the Hanover School District school board in eastern El Paso County.

Hanover, which boasts an enrollment of 270 students, is now hammering out its policy that security will be provided by staff members with a conceal-carry permit who undergo annual training that meets school insurability standards.

Underwood voices the thoughts of rural school officials who say even the hint that some school personnel are willing to draw weapons to secure the safety of students will make a prospective attacker think twice before acting.