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Otter Browser Forum / Re: What I need.

@mgraham, QtWebKit has built-in spatial navigation although it requires some JS to set initial focus to correct element etc.
This is the part that we are currently missing.


I've used QtWebKit's built-in spatial navigation with qutebrowser.  As it stands, it has quite a few usability problems:


  • It is almost impossible to see the currently selected link (maybe this can be fixed with CSS?)

  • Can't open links in the background, or in a new tab

  • Doesn't open pull-down menus

  • doesn't handle form elements nearly as well as Opera does



QtWebKit's built-in spatial navigation isn't good enough to be a primary mode of navigation.  I don't think I would be able to use qutebrowser for mouse-less browsing if it didn't also have the "follow hints" feature.

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Otter Browser Forum / Re: What I need.


What I need is better keyboard control:


  • sequential link navigation (Opera's Q/A shortcuts)



Do you mean the way Opera could jump for example from a heading to heading and between other HTML elements? I also miss this, but surprisingly even console browsers do not offer this. Not that I know of anyway.


I meant the navigation from one link to the next.  I used that all the time in Opera, especially when spatial navigation broke down.

I only used the other element-navigation shortcuts (e.g. heading to heading) very occasionally.

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Otter Browser Forum / Re: What I need.
What I need is better keyboard control:



Honestly, until there is some form of keyboard-based browsing, I won't even use Otter at all.
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Feature Requests

@mgraham, yep, it will require JavaScript helpers, except for Back and Forward - these already exits.

Hmm...  I'm using weekly #35, and I don't see shortcuts for back and forward.

I'm happy to hack some javascript.  Any pointers on how to get started?


Chrome developer tools? There is something other than Inspector?


In Chrome, it's listed under Tools->Developer Tools.  It has a network inspector, console, debugger, element inspector, etc.  I don't know if that's part of the open source part of chrome or not.  The advantage of using the chrome version (if it is available) is that people build add ons for it.  For instance, there's an Ember inspector available.  However, if it were hackable, I would attempt to improve its keyboard navigation.


gleeBox looks interesting, we could try to create something similar, built-in, not relying on upstream (it is not as hard to do that).



That would be very cool!
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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Feature Requests


I'll second the request for better keyboard shortcuts.

This particular feature has been upgraded to almost workable https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=357.0


I did play around with the keyboard preferences, and it is indeed very promising. 

However it doesn't include the actions on the list I quoted.  No back/forward, and no link or form navigation. 

So I guess technically, I'm not asking for keyboard shortcuts, but for missing actions to be implemented.

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Otter Browser Forum / Re: Feature Requests

Trying the current build here, I note that keyboard shortcuts are underdeveloped and they do not figure on the todo list either. No file concerning them is in the profile folder (.config/otter). What's the status?


I'll second the request for better keyboard shortcuts.

For me, the missing essential shortcuts are:


  • back

  • forward

  • next link

  • prev link

  • next form field

  • prev form field

  • spatial navigation up

  • spatial navigation down

  • spatial navigation left

  • spatial navitagion right



After reading some of the Github threads, I understand that not all of these are trivial to implement.  I just wanted to register the request :)