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...nothing about "continuum" straw men as usual...

Let's make a thought experiment. For the sake of clarity, let's exaggerate it dramatically. If it works in the worst case, it works in any case.
Let's suppose a health gene. "H" is the dominant allele of health, and "x" is the recessive allele of death. "HH", "Hx" and "xH" are healthy individuals, while "xx" are dead born babies.
Healthy individuals will pass along the "x" death allele to the next generations, bearing mostly healthy children, and eventually bearing dead babies. Theoretically it can last forever.

society is an orgasm

Quote from: midnight raccoon on 2016-07-05, 07:14:23

society is an orgasm

 

  Rather he knew it or not Befrager evoked Emile Durkheim organic theory of sociology when he compared society to an organism.

Long since fixed

both of them ignore the science

Sang, you don't have the chops to understand the science; you just go with whatever seems to support your viewpoint.

But you want more! You want everyone else to say "Atta boy!" You want people who abhor your proclivities to commend them...

What I want is to be left alone by the self-righteous hypocrites.

For instance, Ersi grabs hold of the fact their isn't a specific "gay gene" found as of yet, but ignores that the researchers can predict homosexually with a 70% accuracy merely by looking at a person's genetic algorithm and all other evidence of a biological basis for homosexuality.

But I do understand that when a topic is research from multiple angles (in this case starting with crude twin studies, to brain scans of heterosexuals and homosexuals, and now the genetic algorithms) and every bit of the research points in a certain direction, there's something to it.

Which way is it? Environment or genes?

The new research by the University of California has not yet been published but is being presented at the annual meeting of the American Society of Human Genetics in Baltimore.

Scientists studied 37 sets of identical male twins, who were born with the same genetic blueprint, to tease out which genes were associated with homosexuality. In each pair, one of the twins was gay 

Prof Darren Griffin, Professor of Genetics, University of Kent, added: “While there is strong evidence in general for a biological basis for homosexuality my personal impression has always been one of a multiple contributory factors, including life experiences

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Prof Darren Griffin, Professor of Genetics, University of Kent, added: “While there is strong evidence in general for a biological basis for homosexuality my personal impression has always been one of a multiple contributory factors, including life experiences

In fact, he mostly agrees with my position that the cause of homosexuality is not known for certain but there is strong evidence for the biological basis.

So while I was hoping for actual links to the research....it in no way directly contradicts anything I've said.

The findings, however, do not mean scientists could predict the sexuality of a child before it is born – as the tests were carried out on adults.

Identical twins usually – but not always – have the same sexuality. This finding has led scientists to believe there is a genetic component to being gay.

epigenetics, secondary phenomena on genes due to environment.

Quote from: ersi on 2016-07-06, 17:05:50

epigenetics, secondary phenomena on genes due to environment.

Here's a quick primer: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/22/epigenetics/

In the science of genetics, epigenetics is the study of cellular and physiological phenotypic trait variations that result from external or environmental factors that switch genes on and off and affect how cells express genes.[1][2] Hence, epigenetic research seeks to describe dynamic alterations in the transcriptional potential of a cell. These alterations may or may not be heritable,...

Or another primer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigenetics

Effects of fetal androgen exposure[edit]
While in the fetal stages, hormonal influences of androgen, specifically testosterone, cause feminine qualities in regard to sexual development in females and masculine qualities in males. In typical sexual development, females are exposed to minimal amounts of testosterone, thus feminizing their sexual development, while males are typically exposed to high levels of testosterone, which masculinize their development. Epi-marks play a critical role in this development by acting as a buffer between the fetus and androgen exposure. Moreover, they predominantly protect XY fetuses from androgen underexposure while protecting XX fetuses from androgen overexposure.[6] However, when androgen overexposure happens in XX fetuses, research suggests they can show masculinized behavior in comparison to females who undergo normal levels of androgen exposure. The research also suggests that excess androgen exposure in females led to reduced heterosexual interest in adulthood than did females with normal levels of androgen.

The evidence supports a role for prenatal testosterone exposure in the development of sex-typed interests in childhood, as well as in sexual orientation in later life, at least for some individuals. It appears, however, that other factors, in addition to hormones, play an important role in determining sexual orientation. These factors have not been well-characterized, but possibilities include direct genetic effects, and effects of maternal factors during pregnancy. Although a role for hormones during early development has been established, it also appears that there may be multiple pathways to a given sexual orientation outcome and some of these pathways may not involve hormones.

I already said much of this in simpler terms, when I noted that "born this way" includes what happens in the womb...

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While in the fetal stages, hormonal influences of androgen, specifically testosterone, cause feminine qualities...

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The evidence supports a role for prenatal testosterone exposure in the development of sex-typed interests in childhood

n other words, drip hormones on foetuses and whatever comes out was "born this way"? This case is closed. You are on detention, but I am ready to take out my genetics doctorate soon.

Epigenetic changes are known to be triggered by environmental factors such as chemical exposure, childhood abuse, diet, exercise and stress.

Because this is a scientific paper (and not a theological one), the god we are seeking will be that of Spinoza
and Einstein—where the Universe is thought to be identical with divinity.