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Reply #551

This one misses the point in about every way possible. I assume it was part in no Leave campaign.

Britain is a small net or absolute contributor to the EU per capita, though as one of the big three the total contributions are significant to the EU budget. The biggest contributor per capita is still the Netherlands, while Germany is clearly biggest in total, and one of the biggest per capita. An absence of British funds would be noticeable, but a fairly minor issue.



More important than the EU budget, which is tiny at <1% of the economy, is the economy at large. While Germany would have a loss on that 99% of the economy, it will be much smaller than the British loss.

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Reply #552
http://www.nzz.ch/meinung/kommentare/englisch-als-dominante-sprache-der-eu-brexit-und-babel-ld.88901

On English as the EU working language. It ain't going anywhere.

It could be a greater reason to use English if it was the native language of no country. In the Nordic Council (with Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Iceland the major members) the working language is English, even though it is the native language of no member country.

Apart from catering to the Finns (who in theory could speak some Swedish) and the Icelanders (who in theory could speak some Danish), it avoids the fruitless discussion of which Scandinavian language to use. In practice everyone is more happy with English.

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Reply #553
Something similar happens in Belgium. I'm pretty sure the soccer team used to be called De Rode Duivels and Les Diables Rouges, but now I'm getting the impression that they're called The Red Devils.

PS Ireland natively speaks English. The article I linked would have it a little differently than you:
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Welche Folgen wird nun der Ausgang des Referendums im Vereinigten Königreich auf das Sprachregime der EU haben? Wenn die Briten bleiben, gar keine; und wenn sie gehen, auch keine. Denn zum Glück ist da noch Irland.
Which consequences will the result of the referendum in the UK have on the EU's language policies? When they stay, none; and when they go, none either. Because luckily there's still Ireland.

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Reply #554
EU's language policies?
The EU has 24 official languages. I suppose the EU must be the international organization that spends more with translations.
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The EU institutions pass laws that apply directly to everyone in the EU. Everybody — individuals, organisations and the courts — must be able to understand them, which means they must be available in all official languages.
Using as many national languages as possible makes the EU and its institutions more open and effective.
http://ec.europa.eu/dgs/translation/translating/officiallanguages/index_en.htm
A matter of attitude.

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Reply #555
Younger generations says they are being forced to leave an European common future. They're absolutely right.
No more stars in their eyes anymore.

A matter of attitude.

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Reply #556
PS Ireland natively speaks English. The article I linked would have it a little differently than you:

Which consequences will the result of the referendum in the UK have on the EU's language policies? When they stay, none; and when they go, none either. Because luckily there's still Ireland.

I think a majority of the member countries, if not necessarily a majority of the member country population, would want English (now a "neutral" language) as an official EU language, even if it weren't one of the official languages of any member country. How hard it would be to institute such a change I don't know.

It wouldn't depend on Ireland incidentally. The article writer forgot that English is one of the official languages of Malta. That would be Malta's day in the sun (if we forget that Malta has more sun than most any other European place).

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Reply #557
A view that Europeans (or Britons? :) ) are unlikely to see:
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A forward-looking president would view Brexit not as a setback, but as an opportunity for the U.S. to expand commerce with the United Kingdom still further. And this will be much easier to do now, because trade deals with post-Brexit Britain will no longer be subject to the whims of Italian tomato farmers, Spanish vintners or other unrelated special interests with grudges and special markets to protect.

Indeed, one of the strongest arguments for Brexit within Britain relates directly to this fact. Daniel Hannan, the soon-to-be former member of the European Parliament who writes a weekly column for the Washington Examiner, has repeatedly pointed out that such petty intra-EU bickering has up to now prevented the U.K. from finalizing favorable trade deals even with its own fellow Commonwealth nations of Australia and Canada.
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I know, I know: The vote was all about xenophobia and neo-Nazism, and -of course- the great (as in numerous…) uneducated […who was in charge of their education, by the way? :)] unwashed! Oh, and of course they're "white"…
(Does anyone accuse Swedes of being white? :) )
A united Europe remains a pipe dream…
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Reply #558
Daniel "Brexit will be a gentle process" Hannan is actually quite positive about immigration. Wisely he didn't tell before the referendum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCghi2rVaWY

Compared to the other Leave promise retractions it didn't quite reach up there. I am particularly fond of Ian Duncan Smith (IDS)'s statement that promises are just "a series of possibilities". It's a memorable one, there with "the meaning of the word 'is' is", but a quintessential politician's answer, while Clinton's was a lawyer's. 

But absolutely, sulking isn't a good strategy. Get on with it, make the best of it, muddling through is what the European Union has done now for over a decade. The EU as we know it today is thanks to Britain. Now they will presumably go their separate ways.

There are deals that could be had that couldn't be had under the same conditions inside the EU, other business are likely to be lost. The friction will be higher. The centre of gravity has shifted. You reassess, reevaluate, readjust, repackage. As a business case I see very little upside, but you deal with what you've been dealt. Life goes on. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSsDxbbpdO0

London will be besieged. Cities like Paris, Stockholm, Amsterdam look at poaching companies from London. Frankfurt was beaten by London as the European financial centre, and might look to regain ground. The siege will be lifted, the package of London is hard to beat: The weather, the people, the language so reminiscent of English. 


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Reply #559
A view that Europeans (or Britons?  :)  ) are unlikely to see:
It's a rather obvious view, isn't it? A separate UK is much weaker and can attain much fewer concessions from the US than the EU. Of course it's an opportunity for the US. :)

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Reply #560
But absolutely, sulking isn't a good strategy. Get on with it, make the best of it, muddling through is what the European Union has done now for over a decade. The EU as we know it today is thanks to Britain. Now they will presumably go their separate ways.
I'd subscribe to Atom/RSS, but that doesn't seem to be an option. /lesigh

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Reply #561
Pro-Brexit Lols.  :lol:
Faisal Islam, Sky News Journalist, Says Pro-Brexit MP Told Him ‘Leave Campaign Don’t Have A Plan’
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“So - and I’ve said this before - the person with the most thought through plan, as evidenced by the past 48 hours, is, astonishingly, Nicola Sturgeon, the first minister of Scotland”.
The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #562
Brexit as seen by U.S. loonies:
"As the United Kingdom prepared to leave the European Union, British Prime Minister David Cameron announced his resignation, the value of the pound fell and HBO had to assure worried “Game of Thrones” fans that future Northern Ireland film shoots were going to be fine, Sarah Palin came forth with her own take.

On Friday, the former Alaskan governor and 2008 vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin congratulated the “smart Brits,” likening the June referendum to the Declaration of Independence. After all, as she noted in a Facebook post, the citizens of the United Kingdom may have avoided nothing less than the end of the world.

Palin, a Donald Trump supporter, applauded the Leave voters for outfoxing “globalists” who would bring about an “apocalyptic One World Government,” she wrote on Facebook. That is because the European Union, in her words, is a “One World Government mini-me.”

Palin’s comments marked a public embrace of a conspiracy theory popularly known as the New World Order. Palin did not elaborate what, exactly, the apocalypse would look like. But the details of who or what make up the New World Order depend on the theorist — it is a secret organization of politicians, banks, the Illuminati, the media or, perhaps, lizard people. Distilled, the main goal of the organization is a totalitarian regime that will emerge from the shadows: One World Government to rule them all."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/06/27/sarah-palin-celebrates-brexit-says-uk-avoided-apocalyptic-one-world-government/?hpid=hp_no-name_no-name%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

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Reply #563
Iceland is performing like a real football country. Leading against England right now. Fantastic.

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Reply #564
Seems like they're ahead by 2-1? Neat.

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Reply #565
Remote island nation with beleaguered economy in danger of being put out by Iceland.
The start and end to every story is the same. But what comes in between you have yourself to blame.

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Reply #566
Scottish Independence makes so much more sense to me right now.

 

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Reply #567
Scotland didn't even qualify though.

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Reply #568
If Howie were a player, would you still cheer…! :)
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Reply #569
Scotland didn't even qualify though.
The BBC says otherwise.
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The claim: An independent Scotland could remain a member of the European Union while the rest of the UK left, in effect taking over Britain's membership of the EU rather than having to start a fresh application to join as a new country.

Reality Check verdict: The situation is unclear. If Scotland were to hold a second referendum, and become independent, it could apply to become a member of the EU in the usual way. And it is now more plausible that EU member states would try to speed up the process for Scotland than it would have been at the time of the 2014 independence referendum. But we cannot say if it would be able to continue as a member without going through some sort of application process.

The rest of the article elaborates. I'm not certain why an independent Scotland would not qualify for EU membership. Maybe Salmond was right this whole time.
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Reply #571
Does anybody else here distrust what politicians say?

Remember the old child's rhyme?

Liar, liar, pants on fire.

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Reply #572
They were beaten by Germany, Poland, and Ireland and didn't qualify. Theoretically that group could have been Ireland, Scotland, and Gibraltar. That would have given Belfrager indigestion, and robbed Iceland of their outsider status. But scoring 2 goals and having 56 goals scored against you isn't quite good enough.

Incidentally Icelandic football (though not the national team I think) has been sponsored by Jon and Vivaldi for three years now. So now you have a browser vendor to blame for Dutch, Portugese, Austrian, English, French? upsets...

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Reply #573
Incidentally Icelandic football (though not the national team I think) has been sponsored by Jon and Vivaldi for three years now. So now you have a browser vendor to blame for Dutch, Portugese, Austrian, English, French? upsets...
I'm not upset. My red beesie supports Belgium now, and I don't think my orange one minds either.



(I only have a couple of small ones.)

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Reply #574
Not much left of Belfrager's British bugbear now anyway. Scotland was out already. On Friday UK was out. On Saturday Northern Ireland was out. Sunday Southern Ireland. Yesterday England.

Wales is the only country left standing, against the same Belgium, or should we say Brussels?