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Title: Do Something
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 14:56:22
http://markmanson.net/do-something
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The more time goes on, the more I realize that success in anything is tied less to knowledge or talent, and tied more to action supplemented by knowledge and talent. You can become successful at something without knowing what you’re doing. You can become successful at something without having much particular talent at it. But you can never become successful at anything without taking action. Ever.


I constantly have to remind myself to do much this, although I'd put it in the framework of perfectionism rather than procrastination. Technically not doing something is procrastinating, but the reason is that I instinctively think it's not worth doing if I'm not going to be doing it very, very well indeed. But many things merely need to be good enough.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: ersi on 2014-02-03, 15:00:54
What is success? Why does it matter?
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 15:12:39
Well, in my mind it's more about "successfully" being able to e.g. pay rent and afford food. And doing so with a university degree is hopefully slightly less mind-numbing than doing so without. The example of someone being in bad physical shape is mostly beyond my comprehension.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Macallan on 2014-02-03, 19:48:13
Faust? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust:_The_First_Part_of_the_Tragedy#Faust.27s_Tragedy) :p
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Faust returns to his rooms, and the dog follows him. Faust translates the Gospel of John, which presents difficulties, as Faust cannot determine the sense of the first sentence (specifically, the word Logos – In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God., currently translated as The Word). Eventually he settles upon translating it with the very one meaning Λὀγος does not have, writing "In the beginning was the deed".

( emphasis added )
Probably for the same reason as the quote in the OP.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 20:17:41
*grins*
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-02-03, 21:13:23
procrastinating

Such word doesn't exist in my Language, we have to describe it.
A sign of an intelligent People that knows how to appreciate the delights of life instead of working as a robot. :)
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 21:15:57
Another major issue besides the fact that you actually need downtime is that people think you need to look busy to be busy. That should be obvious nonsense.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: jax on 2014-02-03, 22:37:11
If the expected outcome of doing something is worse than not doing anything, I'll cheerfully do nothing. The best answer to "You gotta do something!" is probably "no".

In the sense of the best being the enemy of good, or even mediocre, sure.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Frenzie on 2014-02-03, 23:00:52
In the sense of the best being the enemy of good, or even mediocre, sure.

Well, that's my problem, anyway. The way you guys interpret the article I linked to, I disagree with it too.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: tt92 on 2014-02-04, 04:20:47

Faust? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust:_The_First_Part_of_the_Tragedy#Faust.27s_Tragedy) :p
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Faust returns to his rooms, and the dog follows him. Faust translates the Gospel of John, which presents difficulties, as Faust cannot determine the sense of the first sentence (specifically, the word Logos – In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God., currently translated as The Word). Eventually he settles upon translating it with the very one meaning Λὀγος does not have, writing "In the beginning was the deed".

( emphasis added )
Probably for the same reason as the quote in the OP.


In the beginning, there was a word.
Originally, there was nothing but a word.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-02-04, 07:38:11
It's best to do for yourself, then leaving whatever you do for government to do it for you.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: jax on 2014-02-04, 08:57:45
Not to Josh you, but you did mean 'than', didn't you? Otherwise, there have been consultants paid by that scheme.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-04, 18:10:16
Another major issue besides the fact that you actually need downtime is that people think you need to look busy to be busy. That should be obvious nonsense.

Obviously obvious nonsense.
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Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: SmileyFaze on 2014-02-04, 19:11:09
Quote from: SmileyFaze
It's best to do for yourself, then leaving whatever you do for government to do it for you.



Not to Josh you, but you did mean 'than', didn't you? Otherwise, there have been consultants paid by that scheme.


(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/chuckle002.gif)

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Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Barulheira on 2014-02-05, 10:15:16
Someone tell Josh the meaning of to Josh!
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-05, 12:23:33
Quote from: SmartAss jax on 2014-02-04, 09:57:45Not to Josh you, but you did mean 'than', didn't you? Otherwise, there have been consultants paid by that scheme.

Yet more Grammar/Spelling Nazi!

I was there once, but I've retired and have been noon to spel wrong and the structur sentenzes too get wronk.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-02-20, 21:33:25
Do Something

Nope.
Doing nothing is the way to the Tao.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: mjmsprt40 on 2014-02-22, 13:10:50
Perfection is the enemy of good enough. Gotta thank the Russians for that saying.

Sometimes it doesn't have to be perfect, it just has to be good enough to work.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-22, 13:21:07
In the beginning, there was a word.
Originally, there was nothing but a word.

Interesting. Do you have any idea of what that word was?
Cat? Dog? Miley? Cyrus? Logos?
Title: The saying
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-22, 13:22:20
I'm not sure about the translation to be perfect;)
Anyway, as far as I understand "Лучшее - враг хорошего", it applies when "the better" is likely to ruin "the good". It's like you're trying to sharpen a pencil to the extent of one single molecule and eventually break it (although pencils are amendable or replaceable; however, it might be not so about something not such).
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-22, 13:24:09

In the beginning, there was a word.
Originally, there was nothing but a word.

Interesting. Do you have any idea of what that word was?
Cat? Dog? Miley? Cyrus? Logos?
Coffee! :P :)
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Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-22, 13:26:08
Gotta thank the Russians for that saying.

Admiral Gorshkov

When looking for the good admiral, I ran into this little gem.
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"Good, better, best, never let it rest, 'till your good is better, and your better's best."


On occasion, I run a little short.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-22, 13:27:29
Coffee!

Vodka!
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-22, 13:28:36
Then was it a Russian God? ???
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-22, 16:17:27
Lordy, lordy! Ukrainians are toppling statues of Lenin. Is nothing sacred to those people?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26302572 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26302572)
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: jax on 2014-02-22, 18:30:16

Do Something

Nope.
Doing nothing is the way to the Tao.

Having to do something to do something wouldn't be the tao/dao/道, but then again neither would doing nothing. I would not say that something is the way to the Tao. Tao isn't a goal, it literally means the way or path in Chinese. Dào is something you can walk upon whilst hoping not to be hit by a car. The Dao can be stated, but it is not the common Dao indeed.

(Dao or Tao is just a matter of transcription into the Latin alphabet, pinyin or Wade–Giles respectively, to a Chinese it would be 道, more about the character in the Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%81%93); Wade-Giles tends to trick westerners, so "dao" is more likely to be pronounced right.)

The Dao can be stated, but it is not the common Dao;
[Its] name can be named, but it is not the common name.
Not-having name is the beginning of the heaven and the earth;
Having name is the mother of the myriad things.
So,
Always not-having desire, thereby can perceive its wonder;
Always having desire, thereby can see its limits.
These two have the same origin, but they differ in name;
Both are called Mystery.
One Mystery plus another Mystery, are the sources of all wonders.

This should be as good an introduction to the problem of taoism as any.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Belfrager on 2014-02-22, 18:43:27


Do Something

Nope.
Doing nothing is the way to the Tao.

Having to do something to do something wouldn't be the tao/dao/道, but then again neither would doing nothing. I would not say that something is the way to the Tao. Tao isn't a goal, it literally means the way or path in Chinese. Dào is something you can walk upon whilst hoping not to be hit by a car. The Dao can be stated, but it is not the common Dao indeed.

(Dao or Tao is just a matter of transcription into the Latin alphabet, pinyin or Wade–Giles respectively, to a Chinese it would be 道, more about the character in the Wiktionary (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E9%81%93); Wade-Giles tends to trick westerners, so "dao" is more likely to be pronounced right.)

The Dao can be stated, but it is not the common Dao;
[Its] name can be named, but it is not the common name.
Not-having name is the beginning of the heaven and the earth;
Having name is the mother of the myriad things.
So,
Always not-having desire, thereby can perceive its wonder;
Always having desire, thereby can see its limits.
These two have the same origin, but they differ in name;
Both are called Mystery.
One Mystery plus another Mystery, are the sources of all wonders.

This should be as good an introduction to the problem of taoism as any.

You are confused.
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Barulheira on 2014-02-24, 10:15:23
We use to say "improving it will ruin it".
Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Jimbro3738 on 2014-02-24, 11:06:36
We use to say "improving it will ruin it".

Not so fast, sir!
A 600 year old bra discovered in an Austrian castle.
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A more recent development.
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Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: Banned Member on 2014-02-24, 11:35:21

We use to say "improving it will ruin it".
It's close.
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Title: Re: Do Something
Post by: rjhowie on 2014-02-25, 03:43:28
I worked out a long time ago that jimbro has a fascination for breasts so nobody tell his missus indoors.