The American 2016 Presidential Elections & The Ongoing American Saga

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Reply #600 – 2015-11-08, 18:39:41

Quote from: Belfrager on 2015-11-07, 14:31:17

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2015-11-07, 11:11:32
And you know these things, how!?!

I'm the voice inside your mind...

We are not surprised.

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Reply #601 – 2015-11-08, 19:56:03

Quite frankly I think it is a rather sad matter that America does not have general public health system like here. You could dash well afford it if you didn't spend ridiculous sums on military intrigues and waste so much. When one considers the tens of millions who cannot even afford the so-called Obama Care it is something deeply flawed in your system. Some 40 million of your fellow citizens pluas the7 figures losing homes? We do not have a single party that is against our public health tradition from one wing to another and we are a progressive country like others. Instead all this military and spy exorbitant costs that are ridiculous you should be looking after everyone who is not cumfy like the would-be thinkers that sometimes waffle here. Even the lesser of two evils the democrats do not look after those legions on the land of "democracy, etc, etc" that are not doing well. Contradictory and sad in view of the claims of the starters of the country.

These "Conventions" that pass for what would be a party conference in other progressive places are a carnival joke and do little or nothing for the vast numbers of poor. Instead all the propaganda of so-called principles, political shouting like "yes we can" mean nothing when the shows cease. it is very disappointing that a country with an essentially decent people has been subtly brained by propaganda experts and the millions of the population who deserve better are not getting it.

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Reply #602 – 2015-11-11, 21:27:37

For those of you who are interested in whom Hillary will beat.
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Reply #603 – 2015-11-12, 05:59:55

Hillary will -if she wins her party's nomination- beat herself… But why, I ask you, Jaybro. do you care…?

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Reply #604 – 2015-11-12, 10:39:42

Why do you care why I care?

Do you really think that Hillary will self-flagellate?

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Reply #605 – 2015-11-13, 04:30:22

In a way i am sorry that you folk are going to be stuck with Clinton or Trump as there is a deep problem in th system. Two nights ago i just came in from a wlk and caught the end of a political programme on the forthcoming carnival, oops, Presidential thing and it showed America as somewhere around 110th (think it was) in the world for a poor voting response based on the mid-term elections. There is amongst people a general increasing feeling of does it make a difference who wins. The voting percentage on the Hill election was a goodly barometer. My feeling is that the millions sometimes referred to as the suffering will not change much employment and wages stuttering and so on. The system is two condensed and controlled and i bet if Clinton wins or that Republican head-shaker those millions will still be there waiting.

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Reply #606 – 2015-11-13, 15:30:51

We might not be stuck with Trump. It seems he's about to self-destruct. This about a recent presentation:

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As Donald Trump took the stage in a community college theater on Thursday night, something was off.
The usually punctual executive was nearly 40 minutes late. His voice was hoarse, his hair mussed, his tone defensive. He promised to take questions from the audience but instead launched into a 95-minute-long rant that at times sounded like the monologue of a man grappling with why he is running for president — and if it's really worth it or not. Even for a candidate full of surprises, the speech was surprising.

He scoffed at those who have accused him of not understanding foreign policy, saying he knows more about Islamic State terrorists "than the generals do." He took credit for predicting the threat of Osama bin Laden and being right on the "anchor baby situation," a position he says "these great geniuses from Harvard Law School" now back. He uttered the word "crap" at least three times, and promised to "bomb the s---" out of oil fields benefiting terrorists. He signed a book for a guy in the audience and then tossed it back at him with a flip: "Here you go, baby. I love you."

"How stupid are the people of Iowa?" asked Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump when speaking of rival Ben Carson's popularity in the GOP race.
Trump called Republican rival Carly Fiorina "Carly whatever-the-hell-her-name-is," accused Democratic front-runner Hillary Rodham Clinton of playing the "woman's card" and said Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) is "weak like a baby."

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/rweb/politics/trump-how-stupid-are-the-people-of-iowa/2015/11/13/f208b71ae9835f3c933d7111a281db03_story.html

Elsewhere...

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...Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

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Reply #607 – 2015-11-14, 01:57:22

Any time Trump is on television and speaking it is usually more getting snipes at people than policy. I am sue that the nation will not respond to the man as he might be wealthy but is an obvious head banger. How he does so well in Republican polls is beyond understanding.

I wonder what a President Jimbro would be like?

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Reply #608 – 2015-11-14, 02:23:10

Quote from: rjhowie on 2015-11-14, 01:57:22

I wonder what a President Jimbro would be like?

Better than a President Trump would do. But with his meltdown, unless I'm overestimating GOP primary voters, he just cost himself the nomination. If he managed to get nominated he already cost himself the votes of Latinos and women and therefore the election.

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Reply #609 – 2015-11-15, 03:56:58

Well that is a consolation for sensible and progressive people over there. The man acts like a clown and does try and avoid pressing issues. He (Trump) is a comedian but not in the accepted way as he insults that tradition.

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Reply #610 – 2015-11-16, 02:22:34

And before this, he was becoming better known as a reality show star than as a businessman. If you want to find the worst buffoons on the planet, put on one of those. I recommend having a bottle of your preferred headache medicine ready before you, though

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Reply #611 – 2015-12-10, 00:54:25

Ah, well, truth be told, there is no hope left. We are betrayed by both parties. I have lost all hope of any candidate inspiring a national revival, and I don't mean in the religious sense either.

Fact of the matter is, we'll be bankrupt within 10 years. The ship is already sinking. These military adventures will be forced to cease when they no longer have the money to back them.

My generation is screwed.

Que sera, sera.

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hID5Hu-SHxg[/video]

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Reply #612 – 2015-12-10, 01:00:10

Hilary looks to be heir apparent to the Democratic nomination.

Trump says the most outrageous things, still front runner in the Republican race.

We're in an awful lot of trouble.

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Reply #613 – 2015-12-10, 12:08:30

Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.

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Reply #614 – 2015-12-11, 01:51:24

Quote from: jax on 2015-12-10, 12:08:30

Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.

Obama has been a terrible president. He won twice because the Republicans managed to nominate two of the worst candidates possible.

We're in a long slide from the look of things.

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Reply #615 – 2015-12-11, 03:59:02

Quote from: jax on 2015-12-10, 04:08:30

Odds are you might look back on the eight years of Obama with nostalgia.

I see you've caught the oriental gambling bug… Always looking for a big -if unlikely- score!

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Reply #616 – 2015-12-11, 22:38:03

Well done to you Colonel at last catching up with my summation of the political system carved up by the 2 monsters.The republican lot are in mess and have lost a great degree of any indepth status and the Democrats are just the leer evil. Indeed, i feel very sad for so many espeically the younger generation the way that the system has been carved up. And for Clinton, oh she will get in and it will make no damn difference to those who are suffering in the country or ant great leadership. Kind of really sad for a big country and so many decent people being treated like being easily manipulated by big money people. Although I am not of that corner locally, must say that Sanders did get an interesting response and especially younger people too.

Internally the nation is actually in a bit of a state and internationally much the same. Just a pity there is not a wider way of doing things over there.

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Reply #617 – 2015-12-16, 21:27:08

Quote from: mjmsprt40 on 2015-12-10, 20:51:24

Obama has been a terrible president. He won twice because the Republicans managed to nominate two of the worst candidates possible.

True enough. Perhaps it's because Republicans only have "worst" candidates.

Trumped again!

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Reply #618 – 2015-12-18, 20:50:15

I am glad I live where I do because Donald Trump would get nowhere here but I will say this about him.

He is soeone to shake a head on yet at the same time he is not a complete fool as you don't succeed without some grey cells. What disturbs many over there is the actual political system and what goes on in their name. Trump is not a politician in the traditional sense and the actual fact that he is actually getting such a response is he plays as many ordinary people do do whether more serious minded people will frown at such. Obama was a long sigh of a a President and while Trump bounces into so many minds the alternative is not much better. Clinton is deep in the corporate pocket and millions of dollars. She can be sneaky has lied and all this guff about how capable and strong she is. Democrats are just the lesser of the traditional. two evils I say and to be brutally frank someone as progressively different as sanders would be an enlightening change and a more practical hep to tens of millions of ordinary Americans.

Sanders will unfortunately get nowhere the way the system is run and Clinton will get in and the fact she is a woman for the first time means damn all to the tens of millions who will remain on food stamps, losing homes, unable to pay for medical situations and so on. My heart goes out to all of those I mention and Clinton will continue to see the gap between the top and bottom continue as well. Those legions of ostracised will continue under her. That there are so many struggling it is all the more Sad that Sanders a welcome light will be shunted away.

What is really needed is a revolution of a different type but don't expecct it any time soon.

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Reply #619 – 2016-01-09, 22:06:43

What turns very clear is that Trump thing is the best Republicans have...

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Reply #620 – 2016-01-10, 08:34:33

Nah, Bel, Trump is the best circus the main-stream media can find… (But Bernie Sanders might take center-stage for a while: Like Howie says, he could help tens of millions — while hurting hundreds of millions! That's usually the way socialism works…

) What this country really needs is a strong progressive Democrat like Hillary! That way, we can stand idly by while Europe wastes away, and follow apace.
Unless the Caliphate actually wins its "wars"… Then things will go downhill more quickly.

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Reply #621 – 2016-01-10, 15:18:10

I am not of Sanders tradition but I still think they could do with someone like him over there as the money barons run the place not the people. Clinton will win and the tens of millions of poor the legions homeless with not see a damn difference. With all the money behind here the system will go as usual especially for the monied. The others? Nothing and a damnable shame.

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Reply #622 – 2016-01-10, 19:24:15

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-10, 08:34:33

he could help tens of millions — while hurting hundreds of millions! That's usually the way socialism works…

Are you referring to Scandinavia, a fine example for the way socialism works?

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Reply #623 – 2016-01-11, 03:24:38

Ask me again in a couple of generations, after the "common" culture is not common anymore… And the real "population bomb" goes off.

(That's -of course- assuming Iran doesn't nuke you before then.

)

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Reply #624 – 2016-01-11, 10:16:53

Quote from: OakdaleFTL on 2016-01-11, 03:24:38

Ask me again in a couple of generations, ...

OK.
In the meanwhile feel free to fill the forum with your pipe dreams.