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So blind faith in the constitution is not exclusive to SF alone. You seriously think the government declares unlimited rights to people and limits itself at the same time.

Quote from: ersi on 2017-10-20, 16:53:50

So blind faith in the constitution is not exclusive to SF alone. You seriously think the government declares unlimited rights to people and limits itself at the same time.

This is a major misconception.

The U.S. Constitution is The Peoples Document, in which the People define the government, & specifically give the government whatever rights they are to have.

The government can only govern by, & through, the consent of the governed, The People.  

➤ ➤ ➤  See here an example.

Government has no rights outside of what the People give them in the Constitution.

The only claim that government can have on the Constitution is that they, as individual Citizens, are part owners of the document.

The U.S. Constitution was written by the Founding Fathers, learned people who got together & defined a new, for the very first time, self-governing way to live.

Up until then every country had a ruler, a Monarchy, who by the "Divine Right of Kings" granted those beneath them their 'rights' which, because a King can do anything....being he was given his Kingship by God directly......he can take back any 'right' he granted ....for any reason....at any time.

Whatever a King decreed or commanded was Law. There were no rights to appeal.

When America was born, the "Divine Right of Kings" became no more over the the American People, who, through their Constitution defined for the first time, what powers the government had, & how it must respect the Rights of the People id it wished to continue to govern with their consent.

So the Bill of Rights, commonly known as the first 10 Amendments to the US Constitution, does not emanate from a Government, & it actually does no give any rights, it simply tells the government these rights were given to the people long before government even became a concept, & therefore government must not interfere with the people freely exercising their rights.

So blind faith in the constitution is not exclusive to SF alone. You seriously think the government declares unlimited rights to people and limits itself at the same time.

....That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

.....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

But you did not give any glimpse, no news whatsoever.

The need for a militia isn't a deciding factor in the right to do so. E.g. "Shall not be infringed" follows the words "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms". The meaning comes from the need of the people to raise a militia and the fact that the weapons were restricted by the British. Not exhausting a list of do's and don'ts is also part of the document. It's not meant to limit by it's wording. That's done in interpretation. Should a "free State" need defending the people have the right to be prepared.

You are good at one thing: Hiding your personal opinion.

What can the North Korean do against an armed American with a Colt 45....

Then I tried to explain that you have to look elsewhere for more information on how to interpret the wording. You got a little hung up on it tho.

I wanted discuss regulations and what works in other places. Even offering a chance for you to help forge my opinion.

But I am definitely not interested in forcing you into adopting an opinion.

They're screwed

Real men have guns, no matter. Am I wrong?

Hey, Belfrager, have I forgot? I'd thought your only problem with America's 2nd Amendment was that the government has nothing to do with it: Real men have guns, no matter. Am I wrong?

Your problem is not the guns is the education.

[shadow=grey,right]Not only real men have guns but real girls too.[/shadow]

Europeans might not exactly agree.....