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Well, we've recently seen what happened in Ferguson… (We've seen much more, over the years. I'm old.) What we have yet to see is a coherent explantation for why Blacks are more violent, less intelligent and more "prolific" than Whites…

Would my (more) Liberal brethren please explain to me why this shouldn't matter?

Eric Holder derided my country, for not openly discussing race relations… In a sense, he was right when he called us cowards: (fill in the blank)

Discuss? (I doubt that's possible.) Rant and rave; call me a racist — that's going to happen; and, of course, it should! [A "racialist"? C'mon, let's stop pussy-footing!] (But Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, et al., would, too! If you don't agree, you're a racist!) I am a —sort-of racist: I believe evidence from observation (of the real world) matters.
So do people — I mean, for the Libs among us, to say that people matter, as well as that others believe that evidence does. (Okay. I know I've gone out on a limb, there…)

Here in the United States (because of our history) we have a serious problem with regards to "race relations"… Because we don't really want to discuss our history.



I mis-keyed, and this post "disappeared" — as often happens, on the Net.
I thought, "Oh, well." And considered letting it go… (After all: If the Atty. General of the U.S. can't goad people into consideration, what is the likelihood I can?) But it was easy to retrieve…
(Is this what Sang means by "free" speech? :) )


Are we ready to discuss race relations?
Most people whom I've broached the subject with prefer to avoid it. (They say "race" is an inappropriate concept — sort-of like that of "intelligence," which we all know doesn't matter!) Yet these are the people who want race consciousness enshrined in statutory quotas; the "quality of a man's character" be damned!
I'd disagree, because we still seem to have serious problems


Well, I've vented a bit… Been as incoherent as usual. (Pissed-off lots of folk I respect…) AND brought up a subject that can't be talked about, in polite company…
(That's one of the reasons I come here!)


Help me out here: What am I missing?


Why do we still obsess about race?

You're drinking again, aren't you?
Your brothers.

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You're drinking again, aren't you?

Yes, dumbshit: My first wife was Black (…not her fault; both her parents were…). And I loved her with all my heart.

And I want to know if anyone has something "constructive" to say…

(It's not like it doesn't matter, you know.)

Well you actually do touch on something there Oakdale although people will instantly decry because of their open-mindedness. However different races do in day to day practice have particular bents. Over the years I have noted how so many Chinese have a flair for gambling, black people are great athletes, Americans are great entrepreneurs, Scots are canny with money and so it goes on. But at the same time it is a rather one-sided attitude and with a built-in imbalance the open mind does a neat dance in any negatives. For example in the case of being black it is okay to advocate a built-in athletic prowess but if you say there is a mental depth that sees so much poverty, lack of progress and incapablility.  We all are very aware of the history over in the USA regarding race and having been kept down for so long can get into a rut and do little about it but the racial failure is not just in one country you just have to look at the incompetence and failures right across Africa. Oh I know, someone will quote some country doing well BUT it is not the routine. People do have racial differences no matter what colour they are.

Here they go to the same schools as everyone els, families get housed and so on yet the outcome is usually a negative black community with the expected exceptions. It is liberally fine to snip at whites but if you dare say anything on a different  people who don't happen to be white that is somehow inherent racial. Due to the massive numbers in a land like America and the long history of slavery, misuse and persecution this may well have gradually demoralised black people but there seems to be a difficulty for them to do something about it.

In the local case of Ferguson where the police force is 97% white against a massive black population this should have been dealt with years ago. The same applies to the city council and other political positions. Many of the Irish who came here in the 19th century were uneducated, not very progressive and struggled. Through time they were granted state schools for their own religion they gradually improved and even today one of our main parties here in Scotland had a long tradition from their background.  So as much as I can understand the heavy history in one particular country that is not very complimentary, I still think that Oakdale (having also shown his own personal experience) has touched on something that is valid. For too long the word 'race' has been used as for something else and varied people/places can be very different.

Is there a Scot psychology problem or is it a rj psychology problem?

Typical Yank system supporter answer there dear man from Kangaroo Land. For a so-called policeman to come on the screen and say he had no problems with his concience shooting a culprit 6 times only shows the deep flaw in what passes for police in too many places in the ex-colonies. Eery week there is another. That this buffoon in a uniform says it is okay and the system says it that then means that the 12-year olf gunned down and the man on the stairway whioch the police chief said was innocent makes them okay as well. That there are so many such shoot-to-kill incidents over the pond shows there is a problem and you want to skip it but there again look who you have as a PM. Wouldn't trust him with a pistol.

As armles blacks are gunned every week there isn't a problem? Yeah, right. Everyone totally ignores a baton, a laser and the cannister but instead the last resort is standard first resort. If this was an isolated incident I could see the point as thrown in by jimbro but the regularity is something else. The stairs killing and the boy in the play yard totally body swerved. Too many people over there do a dance over the hard fact that the previous persecution has gradually been replaced by an attitude of a different form of keeping blacks in their place.  Yeah we know there are white poor but the black population is more widely so and their areas become nightmares of poverty then the violence and the vast majority of the over subscribed prisons are black populated. That it is okay to just gun dow a black is acceptable shows that the race question is still alive and well in the land of the free and home of the brave (well if you are white).

scientifically , and anthropologically , in this world there is only Human race - homosapiens  ..

there is no such white or black  race.

sir , Bodily-Kinesthetic Intelligence , spatial intelligence , etc ..  is also intelligence.

is people should started to call another people as Retarded or dumb ...
if they are Bad  in Sports ,   Drawing , nor Music , etc ?


i can confirm if what White people used to called with "White People " is talented  with Insanity ..

eh .. Intelligence in Maths , Arts , Science , etc ...

but i also can Confirm if Niggas talented with Sports , Interpersonal Intelligence , Linguistic Intelligence, etc ..


so , IMHO ... White people is Smart ..

But also retarded .

on the other hand ..
i think it is a "No true Scotsman" , or generalization .

why Blacks are more violent, less intelligent and more "prolific" than Whites

Why do we still obsess about race?

Perception and Emotion

birds of the same feather flock together .
that explain why Violence People liked to hang out with Violence People .

But in My Perspective there is no Correlation between Violence with skin  Colors .
Since , Any colors  there is chance to  be so Violence ..

also , the most things that motivated  Human is Emotions .
i made this reply , because this thread influence my Emotions , not my logic .

Well, we've recently seen what happened in Ferguson… (We've seen much more, over the years. I'm old.) What we have yet to see is a coherent explantation for why Blacks are more violent, less intelligent and more "prolific" than Whites…

Would my (more) Liberal brethren please explain to me why this shouldn't matter?

It's precisely because you are so old. Your mindset is locked in the pre-Lincoln era when Blacks belonged to the plantation, and that's why, in your mind, there cannot be any coherent explantation for Blacks.

I'm 77 and much older than he is. Age has nothing to do with it.

He's a soured jerk, quite bright but stuck in life as a supermarket clerk. You might look for somebody to dump on if you were in his shoes, but I doubt it.

Well I agree with Oakdale to the extent that the subject is worth discussing, but I do feel that it is the wrong discussion. More important in my view is the culture and its impact on the way people behave.

We may be dismissive of riots by coloured people in a white dominated country but the next moment moan about the (white) Russians while making fluffy remarks about Eskimos oblivious of the fact that we have swapped the bad-guy race for the good-guy race and vice versa. So concluding broad-brush things about skin colour is, by its nature, inconsistent.

All I need to know is Wessex uber alles.

I do feel Sparta that was a wee bit of intellectual cobblers that there are no race differences and we are all just simply human. Too easy and cumfy by half. Different racial groups do have differences. Not so long ago we discovered in Britain that p[articular immigrants suffered certain illnesses more than the indigenous here. One just has to look at the African mess. Coloured people do have a background that shows them to be great athletes and so on.

.....More important in my view is the culture and its impact on the way people behave......

I'm attempting to follow this emotionally charged conversation/debate/discussion.

Some 'clarifications' would be helpful.

Firstly, what is the correct definition of a [glow=black,2,300]'Race', [/glow] & what are the defined Races comprising what is called the Human Race?

Am I to understand that some consider each 'race' to have a unique 'culture', or can  each 'race' have many different (unique) 'cultures'?

Is then one's culture 'part' of one's race, or just a 'variation' adopted by one's group within a particular Race?

Does, or better yet, can combined racial parentage cloud the perception, if not the actual meaning, of Race?

Which would you say is the prevailing (predominant), or correct, position? -- in your opinion, naturally

                                              (these are open questions to the forum, not just to one person in particular)

........One just has to look at the African mess. Coloured people do have a background that shows them to be great athletes and so on.......

Are you saying that athleticism emanated from what you call 'Coloured people'?

This is not a trick question ........ In your eyes is great/superior athleticism unique to their 'race'?

BTW.... what do you specifically define as being contained in your phrase ........ "and so on."

Lastly, if anyone -- regardless the source -- defined you, or called you, a 'Racist', would that offend you personally?

As brevity doesn't become you, be as definitive as you usually/traditionally please.

Any less would not be considered RJish.

Discuss about race will mostly conflicted with argumentum ad populum .
and Appeal to emotion .

it is illogical , but somehow so popular .

Discuss? (I doubt that's possible.) Rant and rave; call me a racist

the definition of racism = every  effort , processes or progresses to Harrass or exalts some people or Groups based on color / anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation . 

in a nutshell , any words even the most humble words but  make another people feel harrassed is harassment .

But any words even in the Most BS words but do not make another people feel  harrassed is not harassment .

the culture and its impact on the way people behave

well , in here

People used to determine   another people based on their Land they are from ( Geograhical )  ..


Orang Arab  is for Arabs since they are from arabs
orang Bule is for Foreigner  ( Westerns , arabs , or afrikans ) 
Orang Papua  is for Niggas since they are from Papua island .
orang China is for Chinnesse since they are From China .
orang Java is For javanesse since they are from Java island
orang Sunda is for sundanesse since they are from Sunda ( West java )
orang Batak is for batak since they are from Batak
orang Bali is for Balinesse since they are from Bali island
etc..


racist cultural ?

yes .. for sure . :idea:

especially those constant hate to Juice race ( Juice is a race and juice is not white )  .  :rolleyes:



also , this is my short observation  " Chart Of  insanity " from this land point of view.

1. arabs since they are  geniusly made a Stone , desert  and Oasis to be a Famous tourist spot which is always crowded every year. ( something that even Western cant even done )

2. western they are  Insane aka Genius since they Influence this Nation from Systems , techies , to Science .

3. Chinesse , they are good at  marketing  aka Deceiving

4. melayu ( javanesse , Sundanesse , Minang , etc )  they are   mastery Hypocrisy  , capable to be anything  .

5. papuas , they are gifted with easily  bulk up muscle  , talented with Sports , etc .
but easily deceived by that four candidate.

6. unsorted yet


i think , violence or unviolence  is related to grammar or vocabulary .
Thoughts that full of intend to hurt another people is a sign  it lack in social skills  .

also it seems , someday Human need  certain Formula for Pscyhe Uncertainty .

Good Morning, looks like it might rain..?  Smile, & have a great day!

What did you mean by that!!!!!/!!?!!  ........you a F@%$**$# Racist?!?

Is that what you mean?

Is that what you mean?

close enough , but i want to pointing to ...

it seems,  any human is racist .
intended or unintended .
conscious  or unconscious .

probably it is something like tu quoque .
but it can be proved easily .
White people  is racist , but niggas  and sians is more racist .

perhaps,  "racism"  in the right dosage is acceptable .

also  i dare to propose an early Quantitative statement and Quantitative Question  .

Quantitative statement
premises ;

1. when human stepped to social world , they have to deal with racism .
2. racism is social concepts , it is a concept created by human .
3. Racism sensored by Human Sensory system , it shaped Perception .
4. Perceptions shaped Psyche
5. Psyche Shaped Realities .
6. Emotions ( state of feeling  )  Give Motivations to Psyche to act or react .

conclusions ;

1. A racist that do not liked racism , do not want to deal with racism ,  and against racism .
people used to called them with " Holy person aka Saint " . 

2. it is almost impossible to disregard nor control emotions , and using Logic only .

3. if Human do not have Emotions , Senses and Perception .
there is no such a social concept like "racism"  :monkey:

Quantitative Question ;

premises ;

1. what psyche resist not just persists , but also grow in size  ( check the ideas about racism from  Morgan Freeman aka GOD )
2. Emotions sometimes can not be controlled , oftenly it  act  in subconcious ( example :   feels bored then  go out more  )
3. psyche can Logic-well in the condition feels happy , and healthy ( Mind and Body )
beside that two conditions , the Logics-wellness  is Questionable .

Questions :

is Morgan freeman's Methode is just utopis ?

is satire the Right sollutions to deal with racism ?
satire  is   paradox or  logical fallacies , mostly -  Appeal to emotion,  black or white , gray , etc  .
But it Prompts the feel happy.
since jokes manipulate people mind  to laugh even in the reality the content is a offence or harras .

I tried dating a Romulan once, but her parents didn't approve.

What woman's parents would approve?

In Ferguson the police quite deliberately left the west side of the town to the more negative trouble makers to go on the rampage which tells you something very direct. That the murderer who is a "policeman" kept saying it wereas his training also tells us something even more important. Their actions can then be blamed on the  city that employs them rather than them taking the blame and that gunslinger was well briefed by a lawyer no doubt.

The man who elsewhere was gunned down in front of his wife and the police admitted it shouldn't have happened is a typical situation in the country. As for that 12 year old boy at the playground it is interesting that no-one here has taken any note of the fact that the person who called the police said it is probably not a real gun. What di the police do on arrival. No conversation the boy was simply gunned down. The Ferguson cop came out with the usual tripe about being threatened as is the again routine stuff. So a man attacks you so the imdeiate response is to use a gun fire `2 rounds and pump 6 bullets into the culprit. Utterly disgusting and why even bother with money for a taser, gas spray or even a truncheon when that is the first resort?.

In a far wider mode the militarisation of the US police is diabolically crazy and over the damn top. War vehicles to patrol paces, army weaponry, use soldiers as the army and police get closer together. The policy is like that of a Third World or military dictatorship countryy. What it tells the rest oif the world is what it has mused that the place must either be one of the most dangerous places to live in or you have a a mindset that is fraught with elementary grey cells.  Two even more national things you should take note of.

(1) The FBI were instructed nearly 20 years ago to take note of all police shootings on citizens.This it seems to have "overlooked" so raises more concern.

(20 it is NOT possible to get statistics nationally of the number of police killings unlike the routine shooting of civilians killing each other which we know as around 10,000. So you ex-colonists try and find police stas for the country at large. This in itself tells you something that there IS a problem with the police. Telling me there are nice policeman does nothing to cover the regular immediate shootings where they could have been avoided or delayed. The police have been given a morally wrong status and freelance and they know they will get away with it. Beatings and IMMEDIATE shootings are such a regular matter and only emphasise what I have previously said that you are so brained letting police do what they damn like for "law and order."

So hiding national stats show that cops can do what they damn well like because they know historically they will always get away with it so don't bother with the baton, taser or gas just blow them away.  At the rate you are going tanks next? You already have soldiers out and what a picture it gives the world. A civilised, modern state? Nah, you are drifting into a martial and police dictatorship status and is about time the people stood up to ot because the problem is one hell of a one. It is all too much like dictatorships we criticise for over police action and one day you will all wake up and wonder how the devil you became such a dictatorship.Having friends living there and Looking like a dangerous place with trigger happy cops and military convoys you are heading that way.    :worried:

(It's "interesting"… I'll keep reading.)

@Jaybro: Need I remind you of Winston's reply to Lady Astor (http://quoteinvestigator.com/2011/08/17/sober-tomorrow/)…?
BTW: Please stop posting your parents' wedding picture! It's unseemly.
The fifteen years' advantage you have on me has -obviously- been squandered… But maybe not: Stick around and see, I'd say! You might…
Well, maybe you won't — anything. But a little more enjoyment is nothing to be sneezed at.

I tried dating a Romulan once, but her parents didn't approve.

Quick question, where did you two meet?

Were you formally introduced, or did you meet at a truck stop over steaks & mashed?

..... it is NOT possible to get statistics nationally of the number of police killings unlike the routine shooting of civilians killing each other which we know as around 10,000.........

???

Would this do? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States_2014)

A new public opinion survey of St. Louis County residents shows that the public perception of the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown and its aftermath is sharply divided along racial lines.

The survey, released Monday morning by the Kansas City-based Remington Research Group, found that 65 percent of African-American county residents believe Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson acted unjustly when he ended Brown's life Aug. 9 on a Ferguson street.

Conversely, 62 percent of the white residents surveyed by Remington believe the shooting death of Brown was justified.

The fissure broke even wider when surveyors asked if Wilson should be "arrested and charged with a crime" with 71 percent of African-American residents responding "yes," opposed to the 71 percent of white survey-takers who believe the police officer should not be arrested or charged.

An equally stark divide emerged on the question of whether Brown was "targeted because of his race."

Over three-quarters of the white respondents — 77 percent — responded "no" while 64 percent of the African-American respondents answered in the affirmative........

..........A shade over 70 percent of white St. Louis County residents told Remington Research they have faith in County Prosecutor Robert McCulloch's ability to handle the Brown case equitably during the grand jury process and possibly beyond.

According to the survey, McCulloch holds the trust of only 32 percent of African-Americans. Sixty percent disagreed that McCulloch will perform "fairly and impartially" as the case moves forward.

The media likewise did not fare well in the estimation of county residents participating in the poll.

Nearly 75 percent of all respondents told pollsters the media contributed to making the situation in Ferguson worse.

Half of the African-Americans polled and 81 percent of the whites polled were critical of the media coverage.

CONTINUED (http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/survey-exposes-sharp-racial-divide-in-public-perception-of-ferguson/article_da5a19d4-1e28-5ead-b8f6-4148a9a39f54.html)

                                                    

Why is there such a divide of perception in this obviously  justified *  shooting?


*  =   "Use of deadly force" is often granted to police officers when the person or persons in question are believed to be an immediate danger to people around them. For example, an armed man flaunting a firearm in a shopping mall without regard to the safety of those around him, and refusing or being unwilling to negotiate, would warrant usage of deadly force, as a means to protect others.

The use of deadly force is also authorized when a person poses a significant threat to a law enforcement officer, usually when the officer is at risk of serious bodily injury or death.

In the United States, this is governed by Tennessee v. Garner (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_v._Garner), (U.S. Supreme Court 1985) which said that "deadly force...may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."

The officer has the right & obligation to protect his own life & well-being while carrying out his duty.

This extremely aggressive & mountainous thug tried to forcefully take the officer's firearm once before, & it's quite reasonable to believe he felt that given the chance this man would do so again, & then use that firearm on the officer to kill him if he could.

(https://www.smileyfaze.tk/thumbs/reading.gif)   How stark is that?  (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/imthinkin6.gif)

IMHO  it couldn't be any clearer ........ (https://www.smileyfaze.tk/slides/hitqt9.gif)   Justified use of Deadly Force in Self-Defense ........ pure & simple.

String I cannot fathom why you are so oddly puzzled at my statement. It could not have been more explanatory. Once again I will repeat that there are NO statistics nationally for the number of people shot down by the various police forces over there. Saying that the FBI were told years ago to start amassing these did hot happen either. Heavens, I could have figured that out in first year of secondary school.  :whistle:

String I cannot fathom why you are so oddly puzzled at my statement. It could not have been more explanatory. Once again I will repeat that there are NO statistics nationally for the number of people shot down by the various police forces over there. Saying that the FBI were told years ago to start amassing these did hot happen either. Heavens, I could have figured that out in first year of secondary school.  :whistle:

Let us know how it goes.

This will/won't help.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-the-police-kill-each-year/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-many-americans-the-police-kill-each-year/)

The idea of "Black psychology" is daft. Is a Black, Detroit street thug just like Neil DeGrasse Tyson? I've worked with many Black people in my life. I wonder who else here has.

http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/ (http://www.haydenplanetarium.org/tyson/)

The idea of "Black psychology" is daft. Is a Black, Detroit street thug just like Neil DeGrasse Tyson?

Perhaps… Tyson employs the same selection-biased memory (…call it "meme" if you must) and he, unlike -say- James Watson, will never be held to account for his "fabrications"…
[Of course, Watson showed concern. Tyson showed contempt; but he'd been schooled to.]
Does anyone really wonder why? :)

I've worked with many Black people in my life. I wonder who else here has.

I well remember when the first black family moved into the housing project where I lived… I was 7 or 8 years old; they had a son about my age. I'm still grateful that my mother failed to teach me that skin color tells one anything about a person. He and I were friends, because nobody told us we shouldn't be — I think.
Please note: Nobody. If his parent(s) had not been as blasé or as sensible, our friendship might have been proscribed.
When I was 12 my family moved to Cambridge, to a neighborhood that was nearly 50/50… (Yes, I thought it was funny — that federal courts "bussed" some of my neighbors to schools that didn't have enough Negroes! But I also noted, they took them from the worst environments — predominantly black housing projects, crime-ridden and volatile; and I wondered, How does that happen?) My "race consciousness" was un-developed. It has pretty much remained so, I presume.
But, Jaybro, you tell me: Why is there such a difference between civilly disobedient citizens "of color" and the wan and waning?


I know this is an uncomfortable subject. (MLK got shot for insisting…) But is there a sleight chance that not only does intelligence matter but that easily-led segments of the electorate will be abused?


I've known a bunch of blacks (and a bunch of whites). Can't say that the color of their skin told me anything about them. But their "socialization" did really matter: If I'm seen as "Whitey" or "Cracker" or "The Man" by someone who's just met me, I'm going to dislike them — on principle.

And they're going to have to earn my respect. (If they want it…)


To the question posed just above, I suspect you'd answer No.
Am I wrong?

Have already stated my stance and I think there is a problem with the matter of black folk. Even within their racial trait middle-class blacks frown on those below them in the working class! It would be a simple thing to say that black people shuld get off their bottoms and be more involved in the political process even at local level but I dare say the long history of being separated and kept down can lean on that idea.  Right from the early days they were generally treated as almost aliens and we know what that paragon of hyperbole, Abe Lincoln thoght of them behind closed doors. So with such a troubled history  things can go awry and it is painfully obvious that the long legacy is still unfortunately afresh.

i cant stop my mind to not thinks if Black is more violence is correlation implies causation fallacy .

but something interesting in here ,

it seems most mankind Senses and Perception ( Eyes )  tend to believe if  

White   is identical with Holiness , goodness , etc .
While Black   is identical with Evils , Villains , mysteries, etc .

you know , thats why Popes costumes mostly is White
While Witch costumes is dark .

is there any chance that's why most People Believe if niggas is more evil ?


onthe other hand , Probably this is an apriori , or assumption

but it seems , believe is an emotion .
not realities.

is there any chance that's why most People Believe if niggas is more evil ?

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i cant stop my mind to not thinks if Black is more violence is correlation implies causation fallacy .

Sometimes statistics overtake causation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Exception_and_the_Rule).

Apart from the 3 recent incidents I quoted now the jury acquits a New York policeman of choking a man to death even though other officers were there to assist an arrest. Watching the video it conformed the murdered man's last words were that he was being choked. It made no difference because "police" in practice get away with murder. I can still recall the time a while back now but when the soldiers were called out to quell protests with the police. Bayonets mounted then shot them. Doesn't do very well for an advanced country to act like the countries it describes in negative terms for so-called "law enforcement."

That most are black is a deep point in a land where racial colours is STILL an issue, socially, politically or any other way.  What is more telling and troublesome is that police can get away with anything in America and the supporters of such in their usual warped emotion of a valueless nature whoop and delight. Even trying to leave aside thee white-black thing that is so deep in th e4x-colonies the very fact that the legal system tolerates murder by people in uniform is a national disgrace, putrid and makes a mockery of asll the moral stances the nation claims to the world. It is a tolerated police state mentality that abounds and that is not good for the place at all. Not even an effort to wound or use anything else at the first stage it is 100% okay just to blow them away and say it was defence.

OIn the big city of Chicago over 200 people were physically tortured by police withthe okay from further up and when you see the instruments including electric shock stuff you can only shake your head. This went on for some 20 years to around the early 1990's and even into the 2000's trying to get compensation is even more trying than getting me to kiss the Pope's ring. The culprits are still free! If so many police forces have to adopt the way they act there is either a very bad situation in America or the redneck grey cell people are too many which shows another racial flaw in itself nationally. At least my rather milder confrontation with the same NYC cop in two different days (by chance!) was milder but I was fortunate enough to be white. What too many policemen do and their forces are a contradiction morally for the principles the country states in it's founding and constitution but the rather deranged view that if in a uniform you can do what you damn well like is okay is not only a flagrant disregard for principles and the genuine written stuff but fits in by police practices all over the country as a disgrace.

If a civilian and you attack someone or a murderer expect the law to deal with you but if a policeman you can totally do what you like knowing full well you WILL get away with it.

well , i read somewhere
niggas have  more testosterone than Europeans or 'Sians  .
that explain why niggas can bulk up their Muscle easily .

also if i am not wrong,  it mean they are lesser Depressed  , nor can bear depression better . 

So generally speaking ,    they cant go insane as easy as 'Europeans  or 'Sians .

Where  insanity is fuel for intelligence , creativity , and originality  

note : unsure if valid and legit.

Well must say for all the time I have done voluntary work amongst all I have to say that Africa seems to be a anightmare place and there does seems to be some natural weakness when you look at the general state the continent is in.

niggas

Whoa there. I'm no stranger to the word but there's a time and a place... This ain't it.

This whole topic treads on things better left alone... If there's any good to come from discussing the difference in races it's for another time. For now we risk attributing the consequences of the past with the traits of a race.   

Hip hop taught me a fair amount of English. We non-Americans don't understand that nigger is beyond the pale in a way incomparable to what we perceive as the Anglo-Saxon over-reaction to mere words like fuck in general. We grow up hearing it used in hip hop constantly and lack the cultural background knowledge that ties the word to a past of slavery. I think the instinctive attitude of non-Americans can be succinctly summed up by this song:

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZvlqH2jPa8[/video]

Sparta, this is not a word to be used lightly. It's the mother lode of pejoratives.

The original word was "Negro" and if you look it up, it originally meant "Black". A person of a Negroid race is black, by definition of that word.

All of the "street slang" variations of that word are big trouble these days. I could wish the Hip Hop artists stop using it, since they popularize the words within their community, but they don't, can't or won't-- take your pick.

In any case, let you or me-- non-African American people-- say those words where African American people or those of a liberal mindset can hear you say it, and expect at least to be told not to talk like that if you don't want to be the center of civil strife yourself. Yeah, it's considered racist-- big time racist.

How about Honky psychology problems?

Hip hop taught me a fair amount of English.

Interesting. :pokerface:

Anglo-Saxon over-reaction to mere words like fuck in general.

A fair amount of tact can be employed. You wanna piss a black man off real quick, call 'em a fuckin' nigger. Your mouth may write a check your ass can't cash, in Dixie.

The original word was "Negro" and if you look it up, it originally meant "Black".

Still means just that in latin-derived languages :right:

All of the "street slang" variations of that word are big trouble these days. I could wish the Hip Hop artists stop using it, since they popularize the words within their community, but they don't, can't or won't-- take your pick.

That's n-word privilege (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NWordPrivileges).
German gays adopted a slur by using it themselves ages ago, it stopped being a slur. Maybe there's something similar at work, maybe not.

How about Honky psychology problems?

Certainly! Have at it…

Or just Hrrumph! :)

How about Honky psychology problems?

Honky

Species : Homosapiens
genus : Europeans

'Frican 

Species : Homosapiens
genus : Africans

it seems , it is Biology   or Genetical problems . 
traditionally , it is  darwinism Evolution effect . 

Quote from: Frenzie on 2014-12-04, 15:50:13

Hip hop taught me a fair amount of English.

Interesting. :pokerface:

As did Thunderbirds, British/American pop music in general, Entomorph: Plague of the Darkfall (http://www.gog.com/game/entomorph_plague_of_the_darkfall),[1] and Command & Conquer (http://news.bigdownload.com/2010/02/13/download-command-and-conquer-classic-games-full-free-games/). Then I read the first Harry Potter before it became what it is now. Computer games can teach you a lot if you let them.

[1] You know, I got stuck in a beehive on the second island and never managed to get past it. €2.40 is low enough to tempt me to just buy it again instead of finding the original CD-ROM the next time I visit my parents. But surely there must be a YouTube playthrough somewhere… the gameplay was mediocre, but the setting and atmosphere were great.

Black psychology be gone!

Your English is better than many Americans and all Brits.
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Sir Oak  expectation  is the answers  for this Question .

Why do we still obsess about race?

i can not figure  it out yet ,  a sure answers nor explanation for that question .

but for sure , Bullies   loves to using argumentum ad Populum to make his/her or his/her Groups looks superior .

it could be worst if touch Political issues .

i do not intend to generalize ,  but For somehow ..
Some Political Practitioner also Loves to Propaganda with Appeal to emotion .
AFAIK, The easiest way to Appeal to Emotion is using Sensitives Contents such as social or biological difference  to harrass or troll certain  groups .

so .. utopiscally , if there is no Superiorism ,  there is no racialism .

but again , there is no Guarantee if each People will not/never create Emotional Realities
There are no guarantees   some People will not Create  Realities in his/her Psyche  based on His/her insecurity , Fear , hate, etc.
then Express it to the Social World  .

on the other hand ,  while we are waiting for another datums input.

allow me to make a  premature conclusion .   

firstly ..
Anatomically ,  with 'Fricans Body system   thus will have higher Guts Level ,  or Energy Blow .

Guts or balls is Ability to ignore Options and just Do .

secondly , There are  Organisms  in Earth [ animals , Plants ,  Homosapiens, etc ] .
it is  because this Planet  is  in the right Condition .
Not too Close and  Not too Far From The Star (  Sun ), Not too Hot and Not Too Cold, etc .

it is , Goldilocks Principle.


so , it seems Something good for Humanity  is Balance.

Have Too much Guts, it mean thus are stupid , impulsive, etc .
Have Lesser guts, it mean thus are Coward , Doubtfull , etc .



Lastly ..
take with a grain of salt .
just because people say this or that , does not mean it is absolut .

Your English is better than many Americans and all Brits.
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You haven't heard me speak. Admittedly, I like to think I sound fairly close to native. Definitely close enough to fool my fellow Europeans into thinking I'm an American (not on purpose), but that's another story.

Lastly ..
take with a grain of salt .
just because people say this or that , does not mean it is absolut .

That's the main point, isn't it? You don't really know anything about an individual based on the fact that on average someone with a similar background might be 10% stronger/weaker/whatever.

You don't really know anything about an individual based on the fact that on average someone with a similar background might be 10% stronger/weaker/whatever.

that is a valid fact , i can confirm that .
but 10% value probably can be greater or lower.


well ..
in the end we are just organisms .

i also aware if this is just an opinion , the validity maybe absurd .

Analogically , if we plant a similar seed of trees  .
it aint grow 100% identical trees  , there will always  differences.

it can be taller , shorter , productive , unproductive , etc.
since it  grow up  influenced by difference  situation and condition  time by time .

Plants,  can't feels Superior or Inferior even they have differences.
indeed, it is deniable  if   Plants  have emotions / feelings .
even there are some efforts to prove if plants have feelings .


IMHO , Racialism are not issues about differences .
this are issues about using differences to treat  another People ( discriminate, harras, offence, etc )  .

IMHO , Racialism are not issues about differences .
this are issues about using differences to treat  another People ( discriminate, harras, offence, etc )  .

That's very true, and those who do that don't bother with anything more than pseudoscience. These are the racial classifications as German scientists made them in the late 19th/early 20th century, talking essentially only about externalities (skin color, shape of head/body, cf. phrenology's alleged relationship between skull shape and mental life which had already been utterly discredited):

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg/758px-Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Meyers_b11_s0476a.jpg)

Notice how the racial nonsense espoused by e.g. the Nazis had absolutely nothing to do with any actual scientific hypotheses besides borrowing a few scientific-sounding terms from various sources. The same thing is true today. Almost no racist bothers to check what differences might actually exist, and those that do just cherry pick a few facts that suit their fancy.

String I cannot fathom why you are so oddly puzzled at my statement. It could not have been more explanatory. Once again I will repeat that there are NO statistics nationally for the number of people shot down by the various police forces over there. Saying that the FBI were told years ago to start amassing these did hot happen either. Heavens, I could have figured that out in first year of secondary school.  :whistle:

rjh - my apologies for delaying my reply.

I was puzzled because it seems to me that there is in fact data on this (to which I referred in the link I gave) so I thought I might have missed a nuance of meaning in what you wrote.

Meaning?  ???
Meaning?  :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Meaning?  :jester: :jester:
Meaning?  :doh:

Quote from: rjhowie on 2014-12-01, 02:06:42

String I cannot fathom why you are so oddly puzzled at my statement. It could not have been more explanatory. Once again I will repeat that there are NO statistics nationally for the number of people shot down by the various police forces over there. Saying that the FBI were told years ago to start amassing these did hot happen either. Heavens, I could have figured that out in first year of secondary school.  :whistle:

rjh - my apologies for delaying my reply.

I was puzzled because it seems to me that there is in fact data on this (to which I referred in the link I gave) so I thought I might have missed a nuance of meaning in what you wrote.

Nuance?  :jester:

 :D TT the snotty! :jester:

 :hat:

Computer games can teach you a lot if you let them.

Sorry I meant to respond to this some time ago. I caught some bug and been laid up sick for awhile... Lovely thing about kids, you share so much. Hopefully that's my one for the winter.

But yea, I agree. I was going to say that I would probably find your accent interesting...

You haven't heard me speak. Admittedly, I like to think I sound fairly close to native. Definitely close enough to fool my fellow Europeans into thinking I'm an American

seems you covered that tho.

Entomorph: Plague of the Darkfall (http://www.gog.com/game/entomorph_plague_of_the_darkfall)

Haven't played that one. Spent, probably, too much time with the CnC series tho.

original CD-ROM the next time I visit my parents.

I got in the mood for some SC Brood War about a year ago. Tossed my parents house looking for one of the many copies I've bought over the years and only came up with three empty cases. One does have the key on it, though, so I went ahead and acquired it by other means. :pirate: I prefer having the .iso anyway.

I was going to say that I would probably find your accent interesting...

For better or worse, it's not even half as interesting as it was a few years ago. :P Plus it might be a bit like with this Russian woman I know: her Dutch sounds Belgian with the slightest Russian accent, but it mostly just sounds Belgian to my Dutch ears. If you yourself speak with the southern so-called drawl, that is.

And hey, make sure to contact me if you ever come by Belgium. ;)

Haven't played that one. Spent, probably, too much time with the CnC series tho.

CnC was pretty much my favorite game ever in the late '90s. Anyhow, I ended up watching a playthrough of Entomorph on YouTube instead. It turns out I misremembered and I came quite significantly close to actually finishing the game, except I'm quite sure I never did.

On the original themes there does seem to be a black psychology problem. Somewhere I have an American published  paperback written which touches on that very subject in practical example. The writer is a black man.

If you yourself speak with the southern so-called drawl, that is.

I'm not sure. Depends on what you'd call it. States (or regions around them) have unique dialects to me. A TV southern drawl doesn't sound natural to me either. It's hard to fake a genuine southern accent. They always put too much drag on slang without the rite inflection.

I could probably have you guessing for a time but if you listen to me long enough I'm sure the south will come out a bit... I also can ham it up quite well when I want to.

CnC was pretty much my favorite game ever in the late '90s.

Ah yes, back when a way to play multiplayer was free. CnC had that faction disk thing. Don't you miss the chirp and hiss of dial-up? lol. It was a great game. SC took it for me tho. Favorited it before it was more balanced and cool. You could spawn a copy of it free for multiplayer and with an unfair amount of tinkering play over serial or dial up... Then came battlenet and Korean ass-whoopings.

nd hey, make sure to contact me if you ever come by Belgium.

Careful what you wish for ;)

I'm not sure. Depends on what you'd call it. States (or regions around them) have unique dialects to me. A TV southern drawl doesn't sound natural to me either. It's hard to fake a genuine southern accent. They always put too much drag on slang without the rite inflection.

I don't know about on TV, but I've met my wife's family from southern Illinois.

Don't you miss the chirp and hiss of dial-up? lol.

:lol:

SC took it for me tho. Favorited it before it was more balanced and cool. You could spawn a copy of it free for multiplayer and with an unfair amount of tinkering play over serial or dial up... Then came battlenet and Korean ass-whoopings.

Just LAN at friends and the single player missions for me. :) The CnC replacement was AoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBx8qOQcjI).

I don't know about on TV

Generally an exaggerated Georgia or Texas accent.

but I've met my wife's family from southern Illinois.

Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.

Just LAN at friends and the single player missions for me.  :)  The CnC replacement was AoE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWBx8qOQcjI).

I didn't know many people with a network when those came out. But on the subject of old games and Age of empires... I bopped into the boy's room like a week or so ago and he was playing Castles II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castles_II:_Siege_and_Conquest). I forgot I had even showed him that. Loved that game and Conquest of the New World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_New_World).

I didn't know many people with a network when those came out. But on the subject of old games and Age of empires... I bopped into the boy's room like a week or so ago and he was playing Castles II (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castles_II:_Siege_and_Conquest). I forgot I had even showed him that. Loved that game and Conquest of the New World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_New_World).

That's before my time, and it's not one of the old ones I've played over the years. I'm a little surprised he likes it. It's not the pixelated graphics. Those are fine, but often the control schemes in those older games aren't quite as sophisticated as later on. On the other hand, the original Warlords II came out in '93 and those controls were sublime. Same for, say, Monkey Island 2, even though it came out two years prior to the somewhat awkward (more traditional) controls of Gabriel Knight.

I also have the original Shogun: Total War. It's a lot better than that latest disaster, Rome 2: Total War. I believe that a clever mix of Castles 2 and Warlords 2 would pretty much result in Shogun: Total War.

Since Warlords 2 might be hard to obtain, interesting alternatives could be the free clone LordsAWar! (http://www.nongnu.org/lordsawar/) and the browser clone Warbarons (http://www.warbarons.com/).

Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.

As in this article: Vowel Movement (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2012/08/northern_cities_vowel_shift_how_americans_in_the_great_lakes_region_are_revolutionizing_english_.single.html) (How Americans near the Great Lakes are radically changing the sound of English.)

In the NCS region, that extra vowel sound is an integral part of the big shift. The tensing of the short a starts a domino effect. First, the short o rotates into the newly created short-a void. People in Detroit have a jab, not a job. (Or don’t have one, as the case these days may sadly be.) NCS speakers then slide the wha sound into the slot formerly occupied by short o. They now pronounce caught like people from Boston do, but they pronounce cot the way other people say cat. One link down the chain, but tilts toward bought, and further down the short e in words like bet starts to sound like but. The final link in this chain may be the short i of bit elbowing its way in the direction of bet, though its course isn’t entirely clear just yet.

This may seem a bit abstract on paper. But when you hear someone refer to “bosses with the antennas on the tap,” and realize he or she is talking about buses that have antennas on top, the drastic nature of this shift becomes clear as a bell. Or a bull, perhaps. You see the problem.

That article doesn't align with my anecdotal experience. Is this some kind of lower class phenomenon? My Detroit-based family doesn't sound strange like that at all. Besides which, it contradicts itself as well. Both the NCS speaker (http://accent.gmu.edu/browse_language.php?function=detail&speakerid=550) from Detroit and the Canadian speaker (http://accent.gmu.edu/searchsaa.php?function=detail&speakerid=407) clearly pronounce "bag" rather strangely, more like beg (/bɛg/) than like bag (/bæg/). Radically different? It's certainly not the word I'd use. They deviate from the General American norm in similar ways.

It'd certainly help if they gave their IPA interpretation of the differences instead of speaking in vagaries like having a jab, not a job. Does the first thing mean a /dʒæb/, which would be quite remarkable, or simply the General American pronunciation /dʒɑb/? (Although /dʒɒb/ is also acceptable.) It seems to me that the author is either from (New) England or just confused.

Finally, the "short" vowels have remained the same? Well, remember those relatives from southern Illinois? They say pit and pin (/ɪ/) instead of pet and pen (/ɛ/), among other things. And they've changed quite a lot over in England since Shakespeare's days.

I'm a little surprised he likes it.

Indeed. Took me by surprise too. But, I got him the CnC compilation pack and he literally wore it out playing Red Alert and Generals. He's his father's son.

but often the control schemes in those older games aren't quite as sophisticated as later on.

The exact problem with Castles II, actually.

It's a lot better than that latest disaster, Rome 2: Total War.

Say It ain't so. I hadn't played it yet but I was looking forward to it.

I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly. As (military) re-enactment of the Roman Empire I haven't seen better, politically they fell apart. The gameplay was reasonable, longish, but with variety and real choices.

Empire on the other hand is out of bounds. The battles had lost their hardware-based 20 units constraint, and had grown too big to keep my attention. If it could run by itself on a big-screen TV, fine. You could see the progression to WWI: Total Trench Warfare.

I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly. As (military) re-enactment of the Roman Empire I haven't seen better, politically they fell apart. The gameplay was reasonable, longish, but with variety and real choices.

I was thoroughly disappointed by the Rome 2 "demo" I played for a bit. (Seriously, whatever happened to those?) YMMV, and also the game is supposedly better after a year of patches. I'm not so sure I'd agree, for it were aspects of the gameplay I disliked. I don't know, I couldn't get into CnC 4 either. I think Tomb Raider is probably the only AAA game I played in recent years and actually enjoyed (even though imo it should be more about tomb raiding and less about fights).

Empire on the other hand is out of bounds. The battles had lost their hardware-based 20 units constraint, and had grown too big to keep my attention. If it could run by itself on a big-screen TV, fine. You could see the progression to WWI: Total Trench Warfare.

I did like Empire in spite of its issues, although all in all Napoleon was a lot better.

Btw, I don't know about Rome 2, but most of the Total War games have Darthmod, among other user-made modifications, that significantly up the ante.

I think Rome 2 (and 1) were pretty good as soon as I got over the annoyances with historicity, which was quickly.

My son has Empire (which he played a lot for a while) and Shogun (not so much for whatever reason), I was waiting for time to play Rome 2 before I sat back down with the franchise. I can get over lack of accuracy and content in the campaign as long as the battles keep the same feel, with at least some of the control updates I expect. (Ship battles, and done right is a good example.)

but most of the Total War games have Darthmod

Yeah I remember that from the 1st Rome. A bit sad that the best games can be are modded these days.

I've been playing a little [Kerbal Space Program (http://store.steampowered.com/app/220200/) lately because it's on Steam for Linux. I had chose not to get it before but on up in the beta versions it's doing better, modded up right anyway. It was suppose to be a father/son exploration of the solar system however the boy found the weapons mods so he's just blowing things up now. :-\ It has a demo in the old tradition of shareware.

Sounds a lot like Kentucky and parts of Tennessee to me. Some of the northern dialects are more nasally spoken. That makes a mess in S. Indiana, wow.

As in this article: Vowel Movement (http://www.slate.com/articles/life/the_good_word/2012/08/northern_cities_vowel_shift_how_americans_in_the_great_lakes_region_are_revolutionizing_english_.single.html) (How Americans near the Great Lakes are radically changing the sound of English.)

In the NCS region, that extra vowel sound is an integral part of the big shift. The tensing of the short a starts a domino effect. First, the short o rotates into the newly created short-a void. People in Detroit have a jab, not a job. (Or don’t have one, as the case these days may sadly be.)

I grew up in Detroit. One brother and three sisters still live in Detroit or nearby.

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Furthermore, there is no single Canadian accent. The word 'about' ranges from 'aboot' to 'abowt'. In some areas it has a Scottish tinge.

I can get over lack of accuracy and content in the campaign as long as the battles keep the same feel, with at least some of the control updates I expect. (Ship battles, and done right is a good example.)

In many ways I think battles haven't looked right ever since Empire. Soldiers are just sort of randomly stabbing next to each other when you look at them up close and dying animations seem to have no relation to anything at all. At least in Empire you're doing most of your fighting in volleys of gunfire, so it's not as apparent. I believe the community calls it blobbing (for units just sort of turning into a big incoherent blob in Empire and later) and unit collision (for individual guys actually fighting each other, or rather the lack thereof in Empire and later). But in spite of all that and more (like units getting stuck while trying to land on the beach… I imagine they probably fixed that by now), actually it's the campaign mode that I really couldn't get into. Although I just remembered, diplomacy was rather silly at best in Rome 1. Oh well.

I hear Shogun 2 is great, btw. I never tried it.

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Is there a reason that you can think of that might explain why 83% of blacks are unemployed? Better yet: Why are they unemployable is the question I'd have you answer.

(Did I drop a decimal point? Does it matter? Depends on who you're talking to, don't it? :)  Your serve…

Quote from: Jimbro3738 on 2014-12-21, 05:15:27

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Is there a reason that you can think of that might explain why 83% of blacks are unemployed?

Is there a reason why an intelligent white dude is a grocery clerk? Drugs? Alcohol?

At any rate, check your numbers because your question is asswipe wrong.

In many ways I think battles haven't looked right ever since Empire.

Curiosity got the best of me. I let the kid play Rome II over the weekend. I watched Netflix while he reported all the features, and he compared it to Empire a lot. Which I took with a grain of salt. Ship battles on Empire did not bring me happiness. May of been a patch but disembarking looked fairly clean on Rome II. I'm not happy with so much boarding at sea. If formation controls improved like it seems they might I'll be satisfied. I'll have to play it myself during the holidays.

I grew up in Detroit. One brother and three sisters still live in Detroit or nearby.

First, I don't say 'jab' for job, I say 'job' with an 'ah' sound, as do all my siblings. Furthermore, I have never heard a Detroiter use the 'jab' pronunciation. 83% of Detroit citizens are Black, and I don't think that 'jab' is common among them.

Furthermore, there is no single Canadian accent. The word 'about' ranges from 'aboot' to 'abowt'. In some areas it has a Scottish tinge.

I decided I couldn't technically defend my positions but I would argue that you'd have to go outside the cities to get the true local accents. I'm familiar with a rural Wisconsin accent. It has a hint of Canadian in it. More abowts with vowel swapping a for o. Like how they say "Wiscansin". 

83%  are unemployed

at least show   graphs , statistics , nor surveys result before put 83% value there .
or perhaps some people will  thinks that is a lie .

Why are they unemployable is the question .

is this somekind of  allusion ?

i dont get it .. 
so ,  while waiting for further explanation .
i assume they have difficulties to find job , because of their Physical nor genetical factor .

i also aware of non sequitur ..

but it seems , Human sense ( eyes ) are not designed to look inside  the Human Mind .
they are Designed to look at 2 dimensional  surfaces ( appearances , Properties , etc )    ( 3D Movies, etc  is another case ) .

well, this is awkward ..

but even in here, the ideal concept of good people is good looking .
and the ideal of beauty is Pearl-white skin .

if your skin is white and have good looking , most people will tend to believe if you're a good guy , vice versa .
i dont think people will give some  jobs to someone that they think he/she is  klepto   , criminal  ,  etc .

so , let say that are the correlation between , Racialism , and Career .

and yes , it is a weak syllogism .

I think there are racial differences across the world in general and not neccessarily based on some  extreme and impromptu basis. However being a flawed humanity there are as we also know many who wil pounce on such for their own  not often idealistic attempts but arrogance etc and especially if the moaner is not getting what he wants. In my own land of 4 nations I am concious of differences but not in a negative way. Throw n extreme nationalistic corners anywhere and the situation gets polluted. Having worked volontarily in a broad base and in organisations of different racials such is a positive influence.

On a more local basis it is unfortunate too that in the States there is a long and almost built-in racial undertone which could have been long gone but that has influenced many and as a corner of society gets so treated they as a group do not rise above the selfish attitude of the comfortable. Black folk will tend to cluster together in poor circumstances which adds to the friction. The undertones are there always and one can se it even nationally in elections. That the  the thing should have been eradicated a long tie ago is almost without saying and the simmering under society of black people is frustrated and it is not a situation that should be avoided. It will not go away and one day the surface gloss will go very quckly and not kindly.

I voted for him twice.
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Let me know when you elect your first Paki PM.

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Ship battles on Empire did not bring me happiness.

I just auto-solved those after trying it a few times. The whole thing was much more interesting in Pirates. :P

May of been a patch but disembarking looked fairly clean on Rome II.

Some units got off, but most got stuck.

You don't get much of a choice over there do you? I suppose you just had to sigh and feel like putting in a vote but has proved worthless as he's not much better than the one before him. With further thought I would say that he has killed more. It is all about big and unlimited corp money no matter which. In a short time the Latinos and whatever will be on the top so let me know when you have to vote  for one. The man in the picture got there due to the racial undertones so you have a bigger problem than you can really want to admit. It is no surprise that more and more are not bothering to go and vote as they see it doesn't make a damn difference and is increasingly showing I am right that there are bright sparks over there who are not fooled but they are captive.  :(

RJ. as always—you get things bass-ackwards!

Your Blacks will question you… And you, sir, have no answers.
Although you can claim incompetence,

Here in the United States (because of our history) we have a serious problem with regards to "race relations"… Because we don't really want to discuss our history.

And yet you're the only ones to invent such things as caucasians, latinos and the such.
Maybe you are concerned with "cultural relations" not biologic races.

The denialism of races is a product of contemporary political correctness with no evidence whatsoever, in fact against all evidence.

We're all alike culturally.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-ZMOxqSYJQ[/video]

Great lyrics.

Clever of you there tt92.

Yeah jimbro we all have cultures but that example is a load of old dross and boring as get out. Woh-ho dear Oakdale you are wrong about me but you have a good sleep, sober up and think again!  :D

We don't have black posters.
I only post here when we have black posters.

Course they have to prove they are black, not some white feeling black kind of poster.

We don't have black posters.
I only post here when we have black posters.

Enjoy the black poster.
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Quote from: Belfrager on 2015-01-03, 19:30:09

We don't have black posters.
I only post here when we have black posters.

Enjoy the black poster.
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My good friend, you're mastering the art of posting, never saw anyone able to post a perfectly black rectangle before...

Can we have a bell that rings when a black poster arrives?
If not, we can't discuss this thread. Better close it.

I am not bothered whether there are any black posters or women ones or whoever. It used to be we lived in a society now damn it, the thing is put into compartments. I got a moan from an administrator wee while back on the women stuff and openly emphasised the break-up mentally.

While watching news reports there was a mention of Obama speaking about the concern that the police were getting too involved in looking like soliders and the two should be completely desperate. Something I have said here but the equipment is still being dished out from the Pentagon. The usual of course with armoured cars, personnel carriers, all sorts of guns then the report included two really shocking things that drew my attention.

Amongst the hundreds indeed thousands of items were large numbers of actual military machine guns with the tripods to rest n and what stunned me too was a pile of bayonets as well! It really is getting ridiculous over there and stupid excuses made to justify them. When you realise the large numbers of vehicles and weaponry to those way out things and sometime the volunteer soldiers have to be called out it does not give a very good impression of a country at all.

it does not give a very good impression of a country at all

People who get their "impressions" from the telly are welcome to their opinions, of course! They have them the same way they have rectums… They serve a similar purpose: Consumption and digestion; what feeds the needs vital is used; and what is ejected is … well, you know the word, Howie. Opinions!
I recall, you've been here a few times — saw the Statue of Liberty and the Empire State building, did you? Might have taken a cab, rode a subway, and talked to a few dozen people… What more would you need to form an opinion? :)

By the way: If Barack Obama wants to complain about the ill-effects of slavery and such, shouldn't he speak to Britain — whose exploits in his father's Kenya lasted at least until 1963?

Slavery in Kenya until that date? What tripe you speak. If we are going to fall back on history you are making a big mistake. We in the Empire days banned slavery a hell of a lot earlier than you lot. Indeed the 1961 Civil War killed more than in the wars after ite. Even into the 1960's blacks were still being treated terribly. Not getting votes, churches burned, selected by police for beatings ate equality rallies and the list goes on. When your country was formed the law stated things were for whites only so an interesting state of affairs to star with!

You do have a national black problem and legions voted for Obama (assuming he is a genuine US citizen) because he was black. The vast majority of the 2.4 million in terrible jails are black, who suffers the most in poverty, lack of jobs, fairness but blacks. Even many whites in American who are in general reasonable and friendly people include an unintentional bias without realising it. They do not do it deliberately but the country has inherited this matter. When it is drawn to them they are genuinely taken aback as they would always be of the view they were not bias people.

So you have a big country-wide issue and it has not been solved. Instead of spending so much on having wars you would be better taking the matter, get a grip and spend money where it needed inside the damn country.

So you have a big country-wide issue and it has not been solved.

Dear RJ: There is a human problem, long-going; you might not have noticed — since your telly tells you it isn't yours!
(Don't worry: When the time comes, I'll do my best to leave you to your own devices…)

Our "big problem" as you call it is that a sizable amount of our population called "African American nee Negroes" haven't assimilated. Lyndon Johnson's administration facilitated this… (One can't help but wonder, did he intend this?) The black family was destroyed by the Great Society!
Yet we continue such vicious policies…
Sure, we can say "Whites now suffer as much as blacks!" That's your Liberal line: Equal misery.
Would you take-in all our blacks? Would you take-in all our whites?
Nah! You're miserable enough without any of us! (Perhaps that's why you rail at every other you can think of… :) That mirror must be quite discomforting!)

Some of you may have missed this interesting tidbit recently.  (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/duke-professor-defends-comments-comparing-blacks-asians-31126655)   :knight:   :cheers:

A statement released to several media outlets over the weekend by Duke spokesman Michael Schoenfeld said: "The comments were noxious, offensive and have no place in civil discourse."

As the aged professor said, this statement reflects much more poorly on Duke than on him…
Is "civil discourse" the new code-word for pap? :) And ought pap to be a university-level course, much less an enforceable "speech code" applicable to all, professors and students alike?
It seems Eric Holder was somewhat correct when he called Americans cowards for their failure to openly and honestly discuss race relations… Liberals (and, it appears, many blacks) are scared to death to do so! But then so is Eric Holder.

I am a liberal? I suppose I have to make allowances yet again for Yanks as liberals are anyone outside of the late Rockwell. You still haven't said where you get your news outside of television. Radio? Newspapers, read books? All can have slants so what the deuce are you trying to take the high ground on you lazy man. Get out tyhe chair for a walk but meantime answer my question.

You don't get much of a choice over there do you?

Slavery in Kenya until that date?

These are your most recent questions, in this thread… Which would you like me to answer? :)

But I'll answer both.
We get as much "choice" as anyone else in a democratic system. (You seem to think that every whing-bat deserves a place on the ballot, and -if he gets three votes, and his parents are dead- then he should get a seat in Parliament!) You'll remember, you were rejected — twice! :)

I never mentioned slavery in Kenya… But the British certainly ired Obama, Sr. by their colonial excesses! You folk (you know: Europeans) created an entire political philosophy: Anti-imperialism.
And now that you're impotent, you'd pawn it off onto us? :)
Have you no shame?

Do you realise how stupid you are making yourself look? Tiny wee parties are going to get a handful of votes and sit in parliament?  Utterly stupid in  first past the post as you have although fewer of your lot came out to bother voting on the Hill more recently.

We have 4 national parties and also regional parties in Scotland, Ulster and Wales. Something that could not happen in nutjobland because you have to be automatically rich. For five years we had a coalition government (impossible in the US) now we have I am very glad to say a single party government again under the Conservatives and that is progressive. We have had a long history of from time to time a genuine independent non-party man get first past the post and be an MP. On your Hill - no chance. For many over the water those less daft vote for the Democrats and many do as as the lesser of two evils so tells you something about your system!

Being black is still a problem in the States not just politically (millions of blacks voted for Obama just because he was, ehrm, black)  but socially. So being incapable of facing the reality here and over there you have to fall back on being  daft and silly. Must say i have always hoped that your country would be more wider democratic but have come to accept that the power behind the throne there is too strong and holds the real cards. So be daft as such is a regular politicking in your place but don't fall back on the daftness of trying to say it elsewhere to justify your failings!  :hat:

Being black is still a problem in the States not just politically (millions of blacks voted for Obama just because he was, ehrm, black)  but socially.

Silly man! Where did you get that idea. This little video will change your man.
[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUnobHHAKxo[/video]

Is there a Black psychology problem…?

Course not.
The only problem that matters is the "White wanting to subject to Black psychology problem".

I stick by my stance and black people did in massive numbers simply vote on a racial stance. As for the KKK I have never had any time for it and so effusely glad it is one thing we did not import from your corner of the world. On a local note the mattter of the Confederate general has obviously been hijcaked by the racists opponents. Interesting to find he did not start the Klan and it in actuality seen as something different but when he seen the way it went he was strongly anti KKK. It is in furtherance sadly and disgusting that there are still black people using the nigga or nigger word these days. The comment that the KKK is alive and well is a bit over the top as well by the fact that they are a tiny minority and that is  something i am very pleased about. They are a despicable bunch but misinterpreting history is not constructive.

In conclusion I feel the country has progressively learned much from the days the Klan were in 7 figures and ran cities, police and much else so now they are a wee bunch of sickos is good news. Long may they stay in their disgusting corner away from everyone.

Long may they stay in their disgusting corner away from everyone.

Three cheers on that one, sir.

Boy it's an ugly day here...looks like London on a bad day, or, worse yet, Edinburgh.

Spot on there.

The only thing that I find a wee bit odd is the matter of that flag issue.  Not my history of course but I think the saltire style flag was not the national flag of the CSA as it happens but a battle flag. Oddly it is used to represent the Confederacy rather than the actual. Maybe folk thought it nicer I don't know. Now due to the crzy boy who used the flag has resulted in shops stopping selling it and so on. As a prrnciple it is weird as many countries would have to stop selling theirs for misconduct, etc.

As for Edinburgh (shudder), I will have to go there sometime after the Border passengerrough nice countryside but I have one consolation. The Glasgow train will arrive in Edinburgh Waverley Station and I don't have to go outside just change platforms. Hooray!

To truly understand Black psychology, you have to see Key and Peele in Negrotown.
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Kamala Harris has been almost entirely hidden. Yesterday she made a speech about, idk, things, also decrying something about how history is taught. I won't even link to it. The news outlets headlined that the speech was against Florida's new Black history standards. The speech was rambling to the extent that it was hard to get that detail.

So, I gather now that Kamala Harris has been kept hidden for a good reason. In speeches and interviews she holds up worse than Biden and Trump. She is a non-factor to the nth degree.

Anyway, Black history is a weird thing. I saw a documentary of Wild West (the famous Wild West) on Finnish TV that was presenting the Black perspective, saying that the proportion of Blacks in the Wild West activities was high (makes sense, as the people would be moving in order to obtain a better life, and not having to leave their lovely belongings behind) and that some John Wayne movie was really about a historical Black guy. And the documentary stressed at regular intervals that Blacks need to know this, take their history back and be proud of it. I mean, knowing that you greatly contributed to shooting natives, what is there to be proud of? Why demand recognition for it?

Colonialism works in mysterious ways. Some of the colonised feel they are getting civilised, and they proudly present their civilisation by doing colonialism of their own. In a quiz I participated we got a list of countries and the question was what they have in common. The thing in common was supposed to be that these countries were never colonised. One of the countries on the list was Liberia. I happen to know Liberia. It was founded by freed and returned Blacks from USA. That is, Liberia was founded as a colony, plain and simple. The "civilised" arrived from elsewhere and told the locals, "We are civilised and we are going to show you how civilisation works. Here's what you must do." This is straightforward apartheid, is it not? Wikipedia says,

Believing themselves different from, and culturally and educationally superior to the indigenous peoples, the Americo-Liberians developed as an elite minority that created and held on to political power. In a conscious effort to emulate the American South, the Americo-Liberian settlers adopted clothing such as hoop skirts and tailcoats, and excluded natives from economic opportunities, including creating plantations on which natives were forced to work as slaves.[26] Indigenous tribesmen did not enjoy birthright citizenship in their own land until 1904.

Kam-ela Harris, a.k.a. Willie Brown (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Brown_(politician))'s Mattress, remains -despite her relative obscurity- largely disliked by one and all! There are some few who are befuddled by her inanity, not knowing how the Democratic Party got into its current mess.
When she was merely a local DA, I was unconcerned. But as my state's Attorney General and then one of its Senators and then a spectacularly unsuccessful Presidential candidate, where she proved herself the perfect running mate for Joe Biden ^[1], I had justifiable qualms: When Biden inevitably justified Barack Obama's warning "Never underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up!"  her brief stint on the national political stage would prevent his impeachment. :)

About the actual topic: You're feigned inability to take human nature into account is quite amusing!
But -do tell- what were those countries which were never "colonized"?

...she proved herself the perfect running mate for Joe Biden [Unprincipled, morally corrupt and inept...]

The adjectives describe Trump and Palin perfectly (and also Ted Cruz, Marjorie Taylor Greene etc). Either you are a very bad judge of characters or the adjectives serve to deflect from the real issue.

The real issue is your fervent partisanship: Democrats bad; Republicans, even when they do the exact same things you accuse Democrats of, always good. I know the real issue is partisanship because in this case Republicans have been proudly and brazenly evil and against all of their nominally held principles (e.g. the insurrection and rigging of the elections that you failed to see), while the current Democrat administration has been moderately good for domestic economy and positive for the country's reputation worldwide.

...her brief stint on the national political stage would prevent his impeachment. :)

What would you impeach Biden of? Let me guess: Hunter Biden's laptop from hell :lol:

You're feigned inability to take human nature into account is quite amusing!

The inability to take human nature into account is all yours.

But -do tell- what were those countries which were never "colonized"?

Bhutan, Thailand, Japan and Ethiopia. China may also have been listed, I don't remember.

What would you impeach Biden of?

Bribery (https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/07/FD-1023_Senator-Grassley_FINAL.pdf) comes to mind...

(Ted Cruz!? Really? :) I'm surprised you didn't add Clarence Thomas to your list!)

Quote from: ersi on 2023-07-22, 00:21:30

What would you impeach Biden of?

Bribery (https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2023/07/FD-1023_Senator-Grassley_FINAL.pdf) comes to mind...

It should not, from your perspective. Because, you see, Trump had a "perfect phone call" with Zelensky demanding a quid pro quo and the following impeachment was a hoax and a witch hunt, therefore how can Biden be deemed worthy of impeachment of something similar?^[1]

Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden held accountable, why go down the impeachment route?

(Ted Cruz!? Really? :) I'm surprised you didn't add Clarence Thomas to your list!)

Sure, him too. The list is long and always incomplete.

Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden be accountable, why go down the impeachment route?

Perhaps because I remember how Nixon's resignation was achieved! :)

I think Biden could well be guilty of some personal gain in that instance, but he is not guilty of obstructing the investigation of it, the way Trump is.

You obviously haven't watched (or seen decent reportage of) Comer's hearings in the House (https://oversight.house.gov/release/hearing-wrap-up-irs-whistleblowers-expose-how-bidens-were-treated-differently%EF%BF%BC/). (And -as I've said elsewhere- I expect Missouri v. Biden to be fast-tracked to SCOTUS...) The fall-out from Congressional oversight of the FBI and AG Garland's DoJ could easily impel even die-hard Democrats to counsel Uncle Joe to go...

And, no, Biden's "work" in Ukraine was nothing like what Trump was impeached for... :)
https://youtu.be/S3Ibbq_LG-4

Quote from: ersi on 2023-07-22, 00:46:16

Besides, as we both know, impeachment never works, so if you want Biden be accountable, why go down the impeachment route?

Perhaps because I remember how Nixon's resignation was achieved! :)

You mean you remember an impeachment there? There wasn't.

You obviously haven't watched (or seen decent reportage of) Grassley's hearings in the Senate and Jordan's hearings in the House. (And -as I've said elsewhere- I expect Missouri v. Biden to be fast-tracked to SCOTUS...)

Those hearings are a non-thing of zero substance. Also Missouri v. Biden is a non-thing that ends up nowhere.

...could easily impel even die-hard Democrats to counsel Uncle Joe to go...

This is very puzzling from your perspective. Because, you see, no amount of indictments of any magnitude seem to deter Trump from running for office again. His baggage of litigations and increasing amount of guilty verdicts, according to some commentators, only make him stronger.

Why would impeachments and other proceedings against Biden have an opposite outcome? Based on Trump's example, aren't politicians learning that all attention is good, and criminal litigation is a lot of attention to be welcomed and celebrated?

You mean you remember an impeachment there? There wasn't.

Perfidious pedantry, ersi, and you know it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_process_against_Richard_Nixon)!
(BTW: Ed Brooke, Massachusetts' Senator, was the first in that chamber to ask for impeachment. He was a black republican!)

I'll await events; but I expect your ass-tute predictions to amount to nothing. :)

Thus, while Nixon himself was not impeached, the impeachment process against him is so far the only one that has brought about a president's departure from office.[5][6]

What's the logic here? Nixon was not impeached, but the impeachment worked? While not impeached, it was the only impeachment process that worked?

Either way, the correct conclusion is that impeachment does not work. See all actual impeachment procedures that followed through. Against Nixon, the threat of impeachment worked probably because something moved his conscience. On average politicians do not have conscience — again, see all actual impeachment procedures.

The clearest current example of lack of conscience (and of principle, and of morals etc) is Trump. He was impeached twice. Did not work. He is now amassing guilty verdicts and it still does not look like working. And you worry about Biden's past bribery over Trump's defiant brazen ongoing obstruction of justice, perjury, libellous slander, election lies, election thefts, and criminal incompetence? Goes to prove your lack of conscience (etc) too.

I don't know what could take Trump down, but the establishment is getting more and more determined against him (for good reasons, obviously). Trump will not make it to candidacy.

There is nothing to impeach Biden for.^[1] And I predict nothing will emerge to impeach Biden for. Biden will go through his term(s) unimpeached.

the correct conclusion is that impeachment does not work

Your logic is deficient: What do you think the purpose of impeachment is? Is it not removal from office? (If you -I mean you, in particular, ersi- read real closely you'll find that that is what the Constitution calls for, upon conviction by the Senate...)^[1]

you worry about Biden's past bribery

I worry that his corruptions, not his principles^[2], will further divide my country — and further pervert its institutions!
(Much of the rest of the world is in a jeopardy peculiarly of his making.)

over Trump's defiant brazen ongoing obstruction of justice, perjury, libellous slander, election lies, election thefts, and criminal incompetence?

I suspect it's the concepts you cannot grasp, rather than the words you misuse, that make you so vehement! Isn't Putin villain enough for you? :)
Actually -now that I think of it- it's likely the mere fact of Trump's defiance that drives your animosity: He's an unrepentant American who won't kow-tow to his "betters"...^[3]

Your logic is deficient: What do you think the purpose of impeachment is? Is it not removal from office?

And how many removals from office have impeachments resulted in? Zero.

I worry that his corruptions, not his principles, will further divide my country — and further pervert its institutions!

Why do you worry that his corruptions would be bad for the country, while in contrast you felt good about Trump's "successes" (such as smearing of opponents, obstruction of justice by firing investigators, witness tampering and eventually insurrection to steal the election)?

Trump is obviously worse in character than Biden, so instead of corruption it is something else you are worrying about. What could it be? Yup, Republicans good, Democrats bad.

(Much of the rest of the world is in a jeopardy peculiarly of his making.)

Your agenda is Q.

Isn't Putin villain enough for you? :)

In my neighbourhood, Putin's the worst villain and Trump is his poodle. And American Congress is full of cowards that they took up the "perfect phone call" with Ukraine for impeachment instead of the more serious collusion with Russia. Or the more obvious tax evasion.

I wish impeachment worked. History shows it never works. History shows that assassination works, but things will not go that far this time. Nobody wants to make Trump more of a martyr than he already is.

Your agenda is Q.

Which reminds me:
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Virgin Islands Non-Voting Representative Stacey Plaskett was called out for taking money from Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced sex trafficker who may or may not have killed himself.
[...]
Last month, reporting from the Washington Free Beacon’s Chuck Ross revealed that Plaskett took money from Epstein even after he was a convicted sex offender, and met with him personally. As Ross (https://freebeacon.com/democrats/how-jeffrey-epstein-helped-a-rising-democratic-star-pull-off-a-political-upset/) reported:

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Plaskett met Epstein numerous times after her entry into politics in 2014, visiting Epstein's office in the Virgin Islands and his New York City townhouse, she said in a deposition last month [May 2023]. The meetings occurred years after Epstein's conviction on child sex crimes was publicly known, but Plaskett nonetheless met the registered sex offender to solicit campaign donations for herself and Democratic committees. Though she has denied knowing Epstein contributed to her campaign, emails revealed in court documents show her directing a fundraising consultant to ensure Epstein is invited to her fundraiser. "I would be grateful for his support," Plaskett wrote in the July 2018 email.

Details of the relationship are revealed in court documents released as part of a lawsuit the government of the Virgin Islands filed against JPMorgan, where Epstein banked for years. Emails released in the case show that Epstein jumped at a request in 2014 to help Plaskett in her underdog campaign.

When it was initially reported that Plaskett took money from Epstein, she lied and denied having any knowledge of the donation whatsoever, claiming to have only then just learned about it in the media.

(source (https://bongino.com/democrat-rep-stacey-plaskett-gets-called-out-for-taking-money-from-jeffrey-epstein))

Which is preferable, the syntactical mush Harris spews or the entitlement that oozes from Plaskett — with nary a hint of self-awareness? :) (At least Plaskett can't vote in the House...)

But perhaps you're right about one thing: Read Roger Kimball's piece (https://thespectator.com/topic/chuck-grassley-fbi-burisma-biden/?utm_source=Spectator%20World%20Signup&utm_campaign=5533aa7da2-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_07_21_07_21) in the current Spectator. :)

So, is connection with Epstein always bad or, yes, unconditionally as a matter of principle, except when Trump does it? (Namely, Mar-a-Lago was a major hub of Epstein's activities until he acquired his island.)

You're hopeless and helpless! :) So, I'll spell it out for you: Guilt by association alone is — dare I say it, a fallacy?

Therefore everything you wrote one post ago was a fallacy. Namely, Trump's association with Epstein goes far deeper than that between Plaskett and Epstein. Projection is superstrong in you. And when will you finally learn your fallacies? Never.

In the latter half of 90's, Trump and Epstein were in the same business area.^[1] There are photos and videos of them visiting each other's homes in Palm Beach as privileged guests. One might even say the were friends. Almost as good as sharing the same bed when you think about it. Epstein's first conviction stems from evidence dated to the same era and to the same place.

So, what I get from you is that when some non-descript politician who you do not like (why? because of the islands she is from, even though it is a US colony so you should feel like a boss there? or because of her skin colour?) is associated with Epstein via a political donation (she is a politician, duh), that's bad, but when Trump and Epstein party together, then, well, Epstein might still be bad (again, why? because you were not invited to the party?) whereas Trump has successes and glory and honour and is pure as angel. In short, sheer partisan bullshit blather from you as usual.

I personally very much resent the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell (also active at the time and place already mentioned) was only convicted of pimping to Epstein. As everybody who looked into it knows, Epstein was pimping further to a very wide circle of political and business elite, so it can be concluded that the conviction of Maxwell was a hush-down and a cover-up.

what I get from you is that when some non-descript politician who you do not like (why? because of the islands she is from, even though it is a US colony so you should feel like a boss there? or because of her skin colour?) is associated with Epstein via a political donation (she is a politician, duh), that's bad, but when Trump and Epstein party together, then, well, Epstein might still be bad (again, why? because you were not invited to the party?) whereas Trump has successes and glory and honour and is pure as angel. In short, sheer partisan bullshit blather from you as usual.

I'm afraid your excess verbiage didn't quite obscure your question: Why do I dislike the Gentlewoman from the Virgin Islands of the United States?
Two reasons. One, her pretentious preening about her "privileged position" as an excuse to dismiss the proceedings... That would be bad enough! But, two^[1], it was she who applied Ye Olde Guilt-by-Association schtick^[2], in the first place!
(What? Guilt-by-Association isn't in your little handbook of Approved Fallacies? Who to blame, Aristotle or the Churchmen? You decide; or see if you can procure an updated edition!)

Guilt by association is an informal fallacy. This means you cannot just call it out and think you proved something. That would be acting like a doofus.

When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid. For example when you work for a mafia boss, then that association by itself is guilt.

It's a fallacy when the association is insufficient, say Trump and Epstein are neighbours and that's it, no other connection. However, in the actual reality Trump and Epstein were neighbours and business associates and personal friends for at least a decade or so, incidentally the exact same decade and location when Epstein's crimes are known to have taken place.

This applies to all informal fallacies: They depend on the content or context of the argument.

Another example: When I demonstrate by facts and evidence that you're a doofus, then this is not an ad hominem fallacy. Nope, it's an evidence-based argument that you're a doofus.

You may want to add a little note about it in your little handbook.

Guilt by association is an informal fallacy. This means you cannot just call it out and think you proved something. That would be acting like a doofus.

When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid.

Hence the phrase, "close enough for government work"! Your explication is itself fallacious: Essentially, "if only I could find it, I'm sure there's guilt there; hence you should believe me when I say there's guilt there!" Come now: Either there's convincing evidence or there isn't. What I should believe doesn't go beyond accepting that you believe there's guilt there...
At least, in American criminal law.

This was not the first time I explained informal fallacies to you. But it was the last time. You remain a doofus.

Your explication is itself fallacious: Essentially, "if only I could find it, I'm sure there's guilt there; hence you should believe me when I say there's guilt there!" Come now: Either there's convincing evidence or there isn't. What I should believe doesn't go beyond accepting that you believe there's guilt there...

Unfortunately, it is not "if only..." It's there. But I do not expect a doofus who did not notice the worldwide televised insurrection to acknowledge any facts that are subtler, untelevised.

In your spare time, take a look at the Prince Andrew interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtBS8COhhhM). Trump has had a closer association with Epstein than Prince Andrew, except Prince Andrew continued the association after Epstein's conviction. Prince Andrew thinks that he can get away by emphasising that he (Andrew) was more into Ghislaine (who was not convicted yet) than into Epstein, or by turning "a party" into "a dinner" and other funny little stuff that. The way he explains away a revealing photo is heavyweight tragicomedy masterclass.

Look at it. There's no guilt by association fallacy there. There's guilt by association. Period. And it's an injustice that they fail to prosecute. Given the nature of Trump's relationship with Epstein, Trump has more explanation to do in order to avoid guilt, not less.

But, as said, I do not expect you to acknowledge anything or agree with me. You are an insistent and consistent doofus, proudly so.

Let's back up a bit:

When the association is close enough, then the implication of guilt is solid. For example when you work for a mafia boss, then that association by itself is guilt.

Absent a prohibition imposed on association as a condition of parole, working for a Mafia boss is not illegal... Your reasoning is deficient.
But you know that, surely?!

In your spare time, take a look at the Prince Andrew interview (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtBS8COhhhM).

Why on Earth would I care about Prince Andrew? (Or Epstein, for that matter?)

But I do not expect a doofus who did not notice the worldwide televised insurrection to acknowledge any facts that are subtler, untelevised.

I'm well used to your expectations! :) You saw an insurrection, I saw a riot. I wasn't glued to the television, like some. But I will add that "worldwide televised" is an apt modification of the bald assertion. I'd add "scripted" — which was why the second impeachment of Trump fizzled: Pelosi and Bowser both rejected additional security; and to keep them (their reasons) safe from examination under oath the House prosecutors decided to forgo witnesses entirely.
I'm sure some found the heavily produced docu-drama they screened compelling. But you can't cross-examine a "based on real events" production. (As you're likely unaware, I'll remind you: An impeachment trial offers all the usual rights to the defendant — whether you like it or not.) So, as evidence, it was akin to hearsay.

BTW: Your definition of "doofus" must perforce distill to "doesn't accept your half-baked logic". (Glad to see you enlarging your vocabulary! Sorry to see you apply your usual slipshod standards.)

It will be interesting to see the cases revolving around the "fake electors" trope play out. (Perhaps Jack Smith can return to the Hague? :) )

Absent a prohibition imposed on association as a condition of parole, working for a Mafia boss is not illegal... Your reasoning is deficient.
But you know that, surely?!

Your involvement in mafia may not be criminal, such as an errand boy, but you're a mafia errand boy. There are plenty of things that are legal, but are faults involving guilt nonetheless, e.g. cheating on one's spouse is legal across almost all Western countries. You suffer from a severe case of legal cretinism.

Prince Andrew was Epstein's client. Trump is a convicted rapist, proud self-proclaimed pussy-grabber and Epstein's business associate. No guilt? (A rhetorical question. Not asking anything from you.)

I don't care if it's legal or not. I care if it's moral or not. But you're a Trumpite, so of course your standard is Trump or not and Republican or not. If Trump, it's all good, macho magnifico.

Why on Earth would I care about Prince Andrew? (Or Epstein, for that matter?)

You don't remember that you brought Epstein up yesterday? Add a note about deficient memory in your little notebook so you can remind yourself every day.

And the documentary stressed at regular intervals that Blacks need to know this, take their history back and be proud of it. I mean, knowing that you greatly contributed to shooting natives, what is there to be proud of? Why demand recognition for it?

"Shooting natives is a white people thing" (as opposed to a human/colonizer thing) could be a fairly harmful inaccurate bad stereotype/opinion to hold. You could do a lot worse than correct it.

It's one thing to correct a historical stereotype, in this case correct the seeming universality of white swans by pointing out the black swans. It's another to say that the black swans are a matter of pride.

The focus of the documentary was the latter at least as much as the former. One is history, the other is history in the service of propaganda.

You don't remember that you brought Epstein up yesterday? Add a note about deficient memory in your little notebook so you can remind yourself every day.

:sigh: I'd thought you'd take the point of Rep. Plaskett attacking Robert Kennedy, Jr. via guilt by association then being herself attacked, in the same manner.
One could simply let it go as typical hypocrisy. But since it was you who revived (https://dndsanctuary.eu/index.php?topic=564.msg87512#msg87512) this old thread I'd thought you wanted to continue the topic...
But it turned out, you merely missed our arguments! :)

The shift to Guilt by Association can be made to fit:

One of the prominent points made against Kennedy is that he -by mentioning the results of a certain National Institutes of Health-funded study, was that he was an antisemite; because the study concluded that blacks and Caucasians were most affected by Covid-19, and Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews the least, QED.^[1]

I, myself, don't fault Plaskett for seeking and accepting political donations from Epstein. (Many Democrats did... Going back at least as far as Bill Clinton's Presidency.) And I certainly wouldn't have expected her to appreciate either irony or hypocrisy — not since I've heard her speak, and try to read her own words! (Of course, you can quibble: She probably didn't write the statement she read into the record. :) I fault her for her perfidy: She both swore an oath to defend and protect the Constitution and to follow the rules of the House.

Was that due to an allegiance to a higher purpose? (I.e., Democratic Party talking points? Black Consciousness, suitably raised?) Or was it merely the result of racial characteristics over which she has no control?
I'd argue it was allegiance.

Or maybe she has just been hanging out with the wrong sort of people... :)

(Feel free to go back to, say, this controversy. :)